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Tachi X570 has only 1 gigabit ethernetport kinda disappointing (not future-proof, no 10 GBe)
On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:22:54 -0400, Paul wrote:
T. Ment wrote: You remind me of a kid in a computer store years ago. He told me he was "grounded" because he was standing on a rubber mat. I thought it would waste time trying to explain insulator vs. conductor. I never went back to that store. That depends entirely on what the mat is made of. Rubber matting with conductive carbon particles in it, can conduct. The matting might have a resistance of around 1 megohm, which is ideal for static electricity dissipation. What I've learned over the years, is looks can be deceiving. All you have to do, is find the person who *paid* for the fancy item, and they'll tell you the magic properties :-) "It'll burn a hole in your wallet" :-) That's one of the magic properties. But then we have to consider the composition of his shoes, the floor material, and the building. A wrist strap to earth ground seems easier. Probably cheaper too. |
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On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 23:31:29 -0400, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 14:58:58 -0400, Paul wrote: Skybuck mentioned not wanting a router in the picture, and I assumed he's serially connecting his stuff in the horrible ICS chain structure. Why else would you want two NICs on a client PC ? Teaming and failover is a less likely reason. Oh, ok. I read it differently, probably incorrectly. I read it as wanting Internet access on the new PC along with network access to the other PC, but no Internet access required on the other PC (so no ICS). I rather figured that ICS had died off in the late 90's. Over the years, I've found that some people don't realize they can do everything with a single NIC that they can do with multiple NICs. ICS is *still* available in Windows 10 :-) Oh yes, I know it's still available, but I haven't really heard of anyone seriously using it since the Win 95/98 days. As a joke, I once used ICS for a very short period to let a VM get Internet access, but obviously there are better ways to do that. But I couldn't get a Bluetooth Piconet, to be offered as a "candidate" in the drop-down menu where you set that up. I tried to get that running, as a kind of bar bet. (Take the two nano BT transceivers I bought, and get some use out of them.) I followed your posts about that. You showed more interest and determination than I would have been able to muster. :-) |
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Char Jackson wrote:
I followed your posts about that. You showed more interest and determination than I would have been able to muster. :-) I'd read some baloney somewhere, that the BT stack had been "improved". And I was trying to imagine 7000 programmers working on this and what they could come up with. Well, not much :-) I came away... disappointed. Tricked again. Paul |
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On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 01:16:48 -0400, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: I followed your posts about that. You showed more interest and determination than I would have been able to muster. :-) I'd read some baloney somewhere, that the BT stack had been "improved". And I was trying to imagine 7000 programmers working on this and what they could come up with. Well, not much :-) I came away... disappointed. Tricked again. Heh, so maybe not 7000 programmers. More like a couple of interns who wanted to try something they thought they saw in college the week before. |
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Tachi X570 has only 1 gigabit ethernetport kinda disappointing(not future-proof, no 10 GBe)
On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 8:59:34 PM UTC+8, wrote:
Wow these 100 gigabit ethernet cards are still pretty pricey... Better to wait for a few years and buy then... this does require the PC to be opened in the future and risking damage when installing it... 100 Gbps is getting ambitious. 25GBASE-T cards are not much more than 10GBASE-T, but the switches are rather expensive. And also hot (10 W per port vs 5 W for 10 Gbps) |
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 8:55:51 PM UTC+2, T. Ment wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 12:42:44 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: Now put "wide range of frequencies" and "frequency band" together. That works, since both have "frequency" What do you get? Looks like BROAD (wide) BAND to me. No. Broadband is a term used to describe (fast) Internet access, i.e. WAN access. Dial up modems are WAN access too. In 1994, 28.8 kilobits per second was fast. That was probably before you were born. LOL Cool, this made my day... I used a 2400 tornada baud modem once or something like that or was it 2800 ? 300 bytes/sec or something lol. I still have it ! =D Looks pretty awesome. Bye, Skybuck =D |
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Tachi X570 has only 1 gigabit ethernetport kinda disappointing(not future-proof, no 10 GBe)
On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:29:39 PM UTC+2, Paul wrote:
wrote: WOW, It's worse then I thought, almost all over their new X570 motherboard have the same intel crap ethernet ports of 1 gigabit/sec Only the phantom has 2.5 gigabit/sec. While the competition is at 10 gigabit/sec This is definetly going to eat into their sales of these motherboards I think. Anybody with half a brain and some research is not going to buy these boards if they want to be future-proof. Even 10 Gigabit/sec for these new processors and motherboards is on the low side... only pci express lane is already near 2 gigabyte/secs which is roughly 10 gigabit/sec ethernet port. So x570 motherboards with 100 gigabit/sec ethernet ports would probably have sold like warm bread or something. Doesn't seem like any of these motherboard has it though. So the market for 100 gigabit/sec ethernet cards for pci-express 4.0 will become very real in the near future, say a couple of years from now. Bye, Skybuck. Desktops begin to saturate at some level. Buying whizzy I/O or storage for them, isn't a total mistake, but you're also not getting as big of a benefit as should happen. To me, 10GbE is "all I'll ever need", simply because the OS won't be able to drive the I/O any faster than that. It's partially to do with the need for OSes to redesign the I/O stack so they can work better. But the need for increased storage and isolation features, means more and more of performance is wasted in "CPU cycle crap", and you simply won't be able to push the I/O faster. Even if the CPU had a 100 cores and 5GHz operation, the 10GbE will still be the right card. It's the same with NVMe storage. Sure, they'll put PCI Express Rev4 on it soon. You'll run one benchmark on it, see a high number. And... that'll be it. The OS still won't write more than 4K files per second to the device, because the NTFS stack is so bad. Your storage will be no better than my SATA SSD. And that's sad. ******* The company that made the $70-$100 10GbE cards has been bought out. You can expect prices to rise back to non-competitive levels. There's no particular reason for including those chips on motherboards now. The new game in town is probably RealTek (2.5Gbit chip?). RealTek will keep their price low, and drive the other company away. But... it's only 2.5Gbit/sec, so hardly a big deal. It'll be the 8139 all over again. ******* It should take you around 30 days of shopping, to arrive at the perfect choice. Study your motherboards well, Obiwan. Paul I'm Skeptical. This will be for my soon-to-be-new PC which will have 16 cores at 4.0+ ghz. So roughly 64 gigahertz processor. If necessary I will develop my own 16- or 32-thread transfer program 64 gigahertz should be enough to transfer at 10 gigabit. Though I can see it's a close match to some degree I can understand problems with interrupt driven software... never was a fan of that... Perhaps polling might be a solution. No idea yet how windows 10 solves this problem or linux for that matter. That reminds me I have to read an article about that. Thanks Will do so tomorrow. Bye, Skybuck. |
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 8:59:00 PM UTC+2, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: For Comp#2 to receive service, everything in the chain needs power. And that costs money. GbE GbE 10GbE Broadband -------- entry_device ---------- Comp#1 --------- Comp#2 WAN ICS Down here in the States, GbE on the WAN side is coming along very slowly. It's available in my neighborhood for $60/month, but I'm lucky. My guess is that it's available in less than 1% of total neighborhoods. If it's common up in your neck of the woods, you're well ahead of us. It's vaporware here. Supposed to be in Toronto. Might be in a few appt buildings. Skybuck mentioned not wanting a router in the picture, and I assumed he's serially connecting his stuff in the horrible ICS chain structure. Why else would you want two NICs on a client PC ? Teaming and failover is a less likely reason. Why would this be horrible ? Reduce bandwidth when both are being used ? Can't be reason cause internet for now is way slower than local links Bye, Skybuck. |
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