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[fw] New Vi$ta licensing terms
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/Mic...ensing-Madness -- @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) Linux 2.6.24.2 ^ ^ 19:38:01 up 9 days 9:38 0 users load average: 1.10 1.05 1.01 ºî ´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...ub_addressesa/ |
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:39:36 +0800, Man-wai Chang ToDie
wrote: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/Mic...ensing-Madness M$ didn't just start getting ultra greedy. Even XP will "tilt" when changes reach a certain mysterious point (it once happened to me when I uninstalled a video driver prior to installing an updated version). But a call to M$ is usually enough to get back in business. This Vista restriction is ominous, though. I build my own computers and make hardware and software changes rather often. Limiting system reassignments to only once would force me to abandon my #1 hobby or pay M$ through the nose to keep it going. I made a decision even before Vista was released to snub it and stick with XP as long as I can. Thank goodness I've passed the point of caring about games! Larc §§§ - Change planet to earth to reply by email - §§§ |
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To what extent has the "Vista Only" machines
been recended ? For example, the Compaq Presario is Vista Only ... with no drivers available for XP .. and they will void any warranty if you try to install XP. As I understand it, Vista Only means "NO BIOS" is needed for anything .. mobo, video card, .... it is already in Vista. And M$ has total ownership of that hardware. Which says to me I will not even be able to go to vendors like NewEgg and buy a video card that is Vista Only, and build my own machine. I will ONLY be able to buy a Vista Only PC from a certified Microsoft Builder .... like HP. Compaq Tech ( Shhhh ! ) told me that in the future, the video cards for Vista and Dx10 will be embedded on the mobo, and that is why ATI ( and NVidia ) are getting in bed with AMD and Intel .... embedded video hardware. And that is also why Microsoft is now writing video games ... and/or diverting video gaming to the consoles. I also heard rumor that Vista Sp1 was aimed at Vista Only hardware. M$ had to retro-fit Sp1 to Vista Compatible, and it did not work. So, they have pulled it off the shelves. Another rumor: ( you'll like this one ): HP owns Compaq ( the beginning of Vista Only ), and now HP has the Federal Contract to supply PCs to the Feds. The Feds refused to upgrade from IBMs Win2K. They have never used XP. This one will go all the way to the White House. johns |
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"johns" wrote in message ... To what extent has the "Vista Only" machines been recended ? For example, the Compaq Presario is Vista Only ... with no drivers available for XP .. and they will void any warranty if you try to install XP. As I understand it, Vista Only means "NO BIOS" is needed for anything .. mobo, video card, ... it is already in Vista. And M$ has total ownership of that hardware. Which says to me I will not even be able to go to vendors like NewEgg and buy a video card that is Vista Only, and build my own machine. I will ONLY be able to buy a Vista Only PC from a certified Microsoft Builder ... like HP. Compaq Tech ( Shhhh ! ) told me that in the future, the video cards for Vista and Dx10 will be embedded on the mobo, and that is why ATI ( and NVidia ) are getting in bed with AMD and Intel .... embedded video hardware. And that is also why Microsoft is now writing video games ... and/or diverting video gaming to the consoles. I also heard rumor that Vista Sp1 was aimed at Vista Only hardware. M$ had to retro-fit Sp1 to Vista Compatible, and it did not work. So, they have pulled it off the shelves. Another rumor: ( you'll like this one ): HP owns Compaq ( the beginning of Vista Only ), and now HP has the Federal Contract to supply PCs to the Feds. The Feds refused to upgrade from IBMs Win2K. They have never used XP. This one will go all the way to the White House. johns --------------- It is time that the government intervened and stopped this monopolistic nonsense by Microsoft. I'm ready to dive into Linux, though I think it is overly complicated and not user friendly. I would love to see a competing operating system arise and knock the Microsoft tyrant square on its ass. Ed Cregger |
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It's like trying to paper train an old dog.
No matter what the government says or does, M$ is going to pee on the carpet, and that is that. What IBM did for the government was right. They took Linux, and developed their own version for their servers. I don't know why they did not complete the transition to the Federal PCs. Instead, they hacked W2k to talk to their servers and left it there. Dell was able to sneak one past them, and got the contract, but Dell tech support really fell on its face, and the Feds got tired of nothing working at all, and Dell making excuses. IBM got it back briefly, but then HP edged them out ????? What you want already exists at IBM. They just need to complete the transition to IBM Linux, and make it work on decent hardware. If HP shoves Vista down the Feds throats, I would support "nationalizing" the computer industry. It is too critical to our way of life now. Tell M$ to go write video games for the Xbox500. johns |
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"Man-wai Chang ToDie" wrote in message ... http://www.maximumpc.com/article/Mic...ensing-Madness -- @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) Linux 2.6.24.2 ^ ^ 19:38:01 up 9 days 9:38 0 users load average: 1.10 1.05 1.01 ºî ´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...ub_addressesa/ That article is from October 2006, and the quote was taken out of context and refers only to the anytime upgrade versions. Here's a direct quote from the EULA. 15. REASSIGN TO ANOTHER DEVICE. a. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. You may uninstall the software and install it on another device for your use. You may not do so to share this license between devices. b. Windows Anytime Upgrade Software. The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time, but only if the license terms of the software you upgraded from allows reassignment. |
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"Ian D" wrote in message news "Man-wai Chang ToDie" wrote in message ... http://www.maximumpc.com/article/Mic...ensing-Madness -- @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) Linux 2.6.24.2 ^ ^ 19:38:01 up 9 days 9:38 0 users load average: 1.10 1.05 1.01 ºî ´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...ub_addressesa/ That article is from October 2006, and the quote was taken out of context and refers only to the anytime upgrade versions. Here's a direct quote from the EULA. 15. REASSIGN TO ANOTHER DEVICE. a. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. You may uninstall the software and install it on another device for your use. You may not do so to share this license between devices. b. Windows Anytime Upgrade Software. The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time, but only if the license terms of the software you upgraded from allows reassignment. I'd rather they go back to the old days when once purchased, you could install it on as many devices as you pleased. I don't blame them for not wanting you to share it with friends and customers. It would be illogical to think otherwise, but I resent having to pay for each computer that I own. It should be easy enough for them to track a customer's license and ensure that that license only is submitted for activation from the same web address. Ed Cregger |
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In message "Ed Cregger"
wrote: I'd rather they go back to the old days when once purchased, you could install it on as many devices as you pleased. When, exactly, were those days? They sure weren't in the old mainframes of the 70s, nor in the license of DOS and Windows in the 80s and 90s, and most definitely not in 2000. I don't blame them for not wanting you to share it with friends and customers. It would be illogical to think otherwise, but I resent having to pay for each computer that I own. I happen to agree, and am gravitating heavily toward per-user licensing rather then per-installation. Per-user is popular on PDAs, although less common in the PC world. It should be easy enough for them to track a customer's license and ensure that that license only is submitted for activation from the same web address. Web address? What exactly are you talking about? |
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"johns" wrote in message ... To what extent has the "Vista Only" machines been recended ? For example, the Compaq Presario is Vista Only ... with no drivers available for XP .. and they will void any warranty if you try to install XP. As I understand it, Vista Only means "NO BIOS" is needed for anything .. mobo, video card, ... it is already in Vista. And M$ has total ownership of that hardware. Which says to me I will not even be able to go to vendors like NewEgg and buy a video card that is Vista Only, and build my own machine. I will ONLY be able to buy a Vista Only PC from a certified Microsoft Builder ... like HP. Compaq Tech ( Shhhh ! ) told me that in the future, the video cards for Vista and Dx10 will be embedded on the mobo, and that is why ATI ( and NVidia ) are getting in bed with AMD and Intel .... embedded video hardware. Well your Compaq Tech was close. The CPU (central processing unit, or microprocessor) will eventually be obsolete. Truth is, it is already obsolete. GPUs, or graphics processing units (the microprocessor on the video card, some of them already built into motherboards) are getting so powerful that they can handle all the CPU functions (as well as GPU functions) quite easily. Eventually, it will be redundant to install a "video card" and a "CPU". When you only need one chip to perform both functions, what is the point of an expansion card to mount it on? That's why the video chip will soon be on the motherboard. Will it be built into the motherboard? Possibly. When you are upgrading the GPU and CPU (which will soon be both on one chip), the cost of upgrading the motherboard is negligible on top of that. So we very well could see motherboards with everything built into them soon. Even storage!!! Kiss the hard drive goodbye... solid state storage isn't cheap enough for mainstream yet. But it's just a matter of time. So your compaq tech knew half the story, but he didn't understand, or didn't explain, the reasoning behind the embedded video. Now you know... the CPU is going the way of the dinosaur. And this has nothing to do with Vista, or even Microsoft. The hardware is changing. GPU will replace CPU oon. -Dave |
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"Ed Cregger" wrote in
: "Ian D" wrote in message news "Man-wai Chang ToDie" wrote in message ... http://www.maximumpc.com/article/Mic...ensing-Madness -- @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) Linux 2.6.24.2 ^ ^ 19:38:01 up 9 days 9:38 0 users load average: 1.10 1.05 1.01 ºî ´(c) (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...ub_addressesa/ That article is from October 2006, and the quote was taken out of context and refers only to the anytime upgrade versions. Here's a direct quote from the EULA. 15. REASSIGN TO ANOTHER DEVICE. a. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. You may uninstall the software and install it on another device for your use. You may not do so to share this license between devices. b. Windows Anytime Upgrade Software. The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time, but only if the license terms of the software you upgraded from allows reassignment. I'd rather they go back to the old days when once purchased, you could install it on as many devices as you pleased. I don't blame them for not wanting you to share it with friends and customers. It would be illogical to think otherwise, but I resent having to pay for each computer that I own. It should be easy enough for them to track a customer's license and ensure that that license only is submitted for activation from the same web address. I am in complete agreement with you. I will never purchase software that requires registration or becomes inoperable if it is not registered. Product activation is intolerable. I paid for my software and as long as I limit the use of it to myself and those who live under my roof I will do with it whatever I dam well please. The courts let software makers put anything they want into the EULA and now we are suffering the consequences. The result is that we no longer own that which we have paid for. I am unable to understand how anyone can stomach asking Microsoft's permission to upgrade or modify their hardware. What if car makers limited how many passengers you could carry or the number of miles or where you could drive? It's insane. If current trends continue many products will contain some type of software. If we as consumers want to retain any of the rights that we traditionally associate with ownership then we must vote with our dollars and reject products that impose onerous and unfair terms. Microsoft products should be first on our list of rejects. I just built two identical WIN98SE PCs. I intend to find a replacement for Windows and still continue to use the compatiable software I currently own. I will eithier suceed in this goal or I will use my current machines until they become inoperable at which time I will cease owning computers. I am dead ****ing serious. -- pcbldrNinetyEight |
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