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Old December 28th 19, 11:34 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_6_]
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Default “Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security Essentials”

Bill wrote:

I upgraded two computers from Windows 7 to Windows 10. [snip]
with "classic start"


If ever you need to ask here about "why doesn't X, Y or Z work with
Win10?" be sure to make it clear you've installed a 3rd party shell
replacement ...
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Old December 28th 19, 12:09 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bill[_40_]
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Andy Burns wrote:
Bill wrote:

I upgraded two computers from Windows 7 to Windows 10. [snip]
with "classic start"


If ever you need to ask here about "why doesn't X, Y or Z work with
Win10?" be sure to make it clear you've installed a 3rd party shell
replacement ...



I've already found some minor short-comings of the "classic start"
menu/interface/shell. But the "original" Windows 10 one is still
accessible via a link on the classic start program menu. Someone who
knows what they are doing can locate executable files directly by
navigating the C:/ drive and using the command line interface. I found
doing that handy. For instance, I don't think that the registry editor
appears on either menu (admittedly I didn't look for it there). I don't
require a drop down menu, or even a mouse on a computer--they are merely
conveniences. Honestly, Windows 10 has alot more conveniences than one
needs.
Only 2 applications did not work immediately after the "upgrade". One
was the SeaMonkey web browser and news reader. The second was the
program for my (smart) MS keyboard and I only had to restart it (it
remembered my settings). The rest of the hardware continued to work
without a hitch, which I found rather impressive.

But to go full circle, I did not appreciate needing to do this upgrade
in the first place. But I dealt with the circumstances the best I was
able to. I.e. I took the opportunity for the opportunity to download the
software for free while it was still available! Otherwise, "upgrading"
two computers might easily cost me a coupla-hundred bucks...

Bill
  #33  
Old December 28th 19, 02:22 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7s free AV software, Security Essentials

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 10:34:20 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Bill wrote:

I upgraded two computers from Windows 7 to Windows 10. [snip]
with "classic start"


If ever you need to ask here about "why doesn't X, Y or Z work with
Win10?" be sure to make it clear you've installed a 3rd party shell
replacement ...


In the end, it very rarely matters, though.

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Old December 28th 19, 06:52 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Bill wrote:

Still at issue is that I haven't found any ad-block software that will
work with the latest version of SeaMonkey (web browser). If I am
unable to resolve that, I may have to switch to Mozilla Firefox.


Doesn't Seamonkey use the old XCOM/XUL scheme for extensions? If so,
most adblockers moved to the WE (Web Extension) model when Mozilla moved
to it as of their Quantum release (v57) which is a similar model to the
one use in Google Chrome.

https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2...amonkey-union/
"XUL, one of the key technologies of SeaMonkey, is also on the chopping
block and will be discontinued in the near future."

That forecast says XUL extensions were likely to get discontinued "in
the near future" for Seamonkey, too. I don't use Seamonkey to know if
they switched from XUL to WE. "near future" is too vague to know when.
I guess you get whatever extensions it takes you to for a web site, and
those are all you get for now.

By the way, the Classic Shell program was abandoned 2 years ago. That
means if there are problems with it, they won't get fixed. Since
Windows 10 is a constantly changing OS (Microsoft claims "10" is the
last version, but that's just in the OS name, and every major update is
a new version), Classic Shell will get more out of sync. Read the red-
colored text at http://classicshell.net/. I haven't bothered to keep up
with its incarnation, Open Shell, other than it's latest release is
dated under 2 months ago.
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Old December 29th 19, 12:21 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Bill wrote:
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Still at issue is that I haven't found any ad-block software that will
work with the latest version of SeaMonkey (web browser). If I am unable
to resolve that, I may have to switch to Mozilla Firefox.


https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases for legacy uBlock extension for old
Firefox and SeaMonkey versions. I also still use old stuff like 64-bit W7 HPE SP1,
SeaMonkey v2.49.5, etc. on my decade old PCs.

Be warned that many web sites don't like old SeaMonkey versions (still uses Firefox
v52's engine) due to being very slow, unsupported, etc. So, please have updated
Firefox and Chrome just in case (IE11 is bad as SeaMonkey too ). It will be a very
long time before we get updated SeaMonkey with newer engines. Also, hang out in
Mozilla's news.mozilla.org usenet server with its SeaMonkey newsgroups (e.g.,
mozilla.support.seamonkey) in your SeaMonkey's newsgroup reader.

https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/ is an official blog to see what's up with
SeaMonkey. They do need help.
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Old December 29th 19, 04:55 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bill[_40_]
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VanguardLH wrote:
Bill wrote:

Still at issue is that I haven't found any ad-block software that will
work with the latest version of SeaMonkey (web browser). If I am
unable to resolve that, I may have to switch to Mozilla Firefox.


Doesn't Seamonkey use the old XCOM/XUL scheme for extensions? If so,
most adblockers moved to the WE (Web Extension) model when Mozilla moved
to it as of their Quantum release (v57) which is a similar model to the
one use in Google Chrome.

https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2...amonkey-union/
"XUL, one of the key technologies of SeaMonkey, is also on the chopping
block and will be discontinued in the near future."

That forecast says XUL extensions were likely to get discontinued "in
the near future" for Seamonkey, too. I don't use Seamonkey to know if
they switched from XUL to WE. "near future" is too vague to know when.
I guess you get whatever extensions it takes you to for a web site, and
those are all you get for now.

By the way, the Classic Shell program was abandoned 2 years ago. That
means if there are problems with it, they won't get fixed. Since
Windows 10 is a constantly changing OS (Microsoft claims "10" is the
last version, but that's just in the OS name, and every major update is
a new version), Classic Shell will get more out of sync. Read the red-
colored text at http://classicshell.net/. I haven't bothered to keep up
with its incarnation, Open Shell, other than it's latest release is
dated under 2 months ago.



Thank you for the information about SeaMonkey. I don't know the meaning
of many of the "words" (standards) involved, but I can see the apparent
writing on the way. I downloaded Firefox last night, so I have 4 or 5
browsers on my machine now (full coverage..lol).

As far as the shell, I mainly use it to log off, switch users, or shut
down. A short-cut to virtually every application I use regularly is on
the desktop. So the drop down shell is not a big issue, and as I
mentioned earlier, the Windows 10 shell is just a click away (on the
class shell menu). I will be watching the future of SeaMonkey with
some interest.

The main thing I don't like is the "big guys" having their noses in
everyone's data/business. It seems like a version of socialism. so far,
I haven't ever backed-up into anyone's "cloud", that's not to say that
one can navigate the Internet without leaving some form of trail (maybe
particularly at YouTube, which also seems to wish to be up close and
personal). I suspect Microsoft "took notes" while it was doing my
upgrade; after all, why not...

Bill
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Old December 29th 19, 03:19 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 11:52:34 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

| By the way, the Classic Shell program was abandoned 2 years ago. That
| means if there are problems with it, they won't get fixed. Since
| Windows 10 is a constantly changing OS (Microsoft claims "10" is the
| last version, but that's just in the OS name, and every major update is
| a new version), Classic Shell will get more out of sync. Read the red-
| colored text at http://classicshell.net/. I haven't bothered to keep up
| with its incarnation, Open Shell, other than it's latest release is
| dated under 2 months ago.

Open Shell is installed on all my systems and reliably provides my main menu . It's
as good as Classic Shell. Far, far more customizable and better than the current
Windows menu.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

Larc
 




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