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Old January 28th 21, 05:48 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati,alt.windows7.general
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Default My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(

Hello.

I can't open my old ATI/AMD Radeon 4870 (512 MB of VRAM)'s video card driver
(13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe)'s Catalyst Control Center GUI (still
can run its background install location\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe process
though) in my over decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. It used to work a few
months ago though so something broke. I tried uninstalling, rebooting, and
reinstalling AMD driver+CCC suite into a new directory, but it still didn't work.

I still can extend and unextend my 1920x1080 desktop to my secondary old dumb
21.5" Samsung SyncMaster T22B350ND HDTV with my primary 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080
pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor. Both video connections are using DVI-VGA adapters
and VGA cables via an old Y2K OmniCube KVM. I don't think it is a hardware issue.

http://pastebin.com/raw/MBJP13hc for my detailed event logs and opening about
showing a crash with an unhandled exception with MS .NET Framework. What's the
problem? Is it my .NET? Something else? I hope I don't have to reinstall my W7
from scratch to get it back.

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon.
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Old January 28th 21, 11:10 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati,alt.windows7.general
Paul[_28_]
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Default My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(

Ant wrote:
Hello.

I can't open my old ATI/AMD Radeon 4870 (512 MB of VRAM)'s video card driver
(13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe)'s Catalyst Control Center GUI (still
can run its background install location\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe process
though) in my over decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. It used to work a few
months ago though so something broke. I tried uninstalling, rebooting, and
reinstalling AMD driver+CCC suite into a new directory, but it still didn't work.

I still can extend and unextend my 1920x1080 desktop to my secondary old dumb
21.5" Samsung SyncMaster T22B350ND HDTV with my primary 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080
pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor. Both video connections are using DVI-VGA adapters
and VGA cables via an old Y2K OmniCube KVM. I don't think it is a hardware issue.

http://pastebin.com/raw/MBJP13hc for my detailed event logs and opening about
showing a crash with an unhandled exception with MS .NET Framework. What's the
problem? Is it my .NET? Something else? I hope I don't have to reinstall my W7
from scratch to get it back.

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon.


This seems perfectly reasonable.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/arc...sion-of-the-os

"Windows 7 (all editions) includes

.NET Framework 3.5.1 as an OS component.

This means you will get the .NET Framework 2.0 SP2,
3.0 SP2 and
3.5 SP1
plus a few post 3.5 SP1 bug fixes.

*******

3.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 can be added or removed via the
Programs and Features control panel.

What the author really means, is 2.0 SP2 cannot be removed
via Windows Features. If your damage is in 3.0 or 3.5, you're
in luck, toggling the button, doing some reboots between button
state changes, could "repair" the v3.0 and v3.5 folders. Only
an OS Repair Install can fix the v2.0.50727 folder. SurCHECK
is unlikely to care about .NET, but you can try that if
in a mood to waste time. SurCHECK is the lame replacement
for the DISM feature Windows 7 never got backported from
later OSes. Since the features in question don't have a strong
OS component, the backport would likely have cost nothing for them.

https://i.postimg.cc/HLGkM5hw/Win7-repair.gif

CCC control panel relies on 2.0 SP2. 2.0 SP2 cannot be
removed or repaired, as it is part of the "base" OS.

Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" confirms this
for us, although somewhat clumsily (as the tester menu
grays out and won't allow selecting just anything you want
to test). Aaron Stebner appears to be a Microsoft employee
from the .NET group, who has constructed cleaning and
verification tools for the great unwashed masses.

The three .NET layers in question (2/3/3.5) share the same
CLR version number. Early versions of CCC relied on 2.0 ,
which is the one we can't fix without a Windows 7 Repair Install.
I could be quite wrong, but generally DISM/SFC are not focused
on .NET, because .NET started life totally separate
from the OS. Whereas today, things like the Windows Firewall
have a .NET dependency, and if Windows Firewall won't start,
the network stack can be held hostage (won't start either until
Firewall starts).

I know you're not interested in Repair Installs of your
Windows 7, so you can try the simple things and see how
they work out.

Paul
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Old January 28th 21, 09:41 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati,alt.windows7.general
Ant[_3_]
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Default My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(

In alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati Paul wrote:
Ant wrote:
Hello.

I can't open my old ATI/AMD Radeon 4870 (512 MB of VRAM)'s video card driver
(13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe)'s Catalyst Control Center GUI (still
can run its background install location\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe process
though) in my over decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. It used to work a few
months ago though so something broke. I tried uninstalling, rebooting, and
reinstalling AMD driver+CCC suite into a new directory, but it still didn't work.

I still can extend and unextend my 1920x1080 desktop to my secondary old dumb
21.5" Samsung SyncMaster T22B350ND HDTV with my primary 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080
pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor. Both video connections are using DVI-VGA adapters
and VGA cables via an old Y2K OmniCube KVM. I don't think it is a hardware issue.

http://pastebin.com/raw/MBJP13hc for my detailed event logs and opening about
showing a crash with an unhandled exception with MS .NET Framework. What's the
problem? Is it my .NET? Something else? I hope I don't have to reinstall my W7
from scratch to get it back.

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon.


This seems perfectly reasonable.


https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/arc...sion-of-the-os


"Windows 7 (all editions) includes


.NET Framework 3.5.1 as an OS component.


This means you will get the .NET Framework 2.0 SP2,
3.0 SP2 and
3.5 SP1
plus a few post 3.5 SP1 bug fixes.


*******


3.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 can be added or removed via the
Programs and Features control panel.


What the author really means, is 2.0 SP2 cannot be removed
via Windows Features. If your damage is in 3.0 or 3.5, you're
in luck, toggling the button, doing some reboots between button
state changes, could "repair" the v3.0 and v3.5 folders. Only
an OS Repair Install can fix the v2.0.50727 folder. SurCHECK
is unlikely to care about .NET, but you can try that if
in a mood to waste time. SurCHECK is the lame replacement
for the DISM feature Windows 7 never got backported from
later OSes. Since the features in question don't have a strong
OS component, the backport would likely have cost nothing for them.


https://i.postimg.cc/HLGkM5hw/Win7-repair.gif


CCC control panel relies on 2.0 SP2. 2.0 SP2 cannot be
removed or repaired, as it is part of the "base" OS.


Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" confirms this
for us, although somewhat clumsily (as the tester menu
grays out and won't allow selecting just anything you want
to test). Aaron Stebner appears to be a Microsoft employee
from the .NET group, who has constructed cleaning and
verification tools for the great unwashed masses.


Is there an official web site for this program to download from?


The three .NET layers in question (2/3/3.5) share the same
CLR version number. Early versions of CCC relied on 2.0 ,
which is the one we can't fix without a Windows 7 Repair Install.
I could be quite wrong, but generally DISM/SFC are not focused
on .NET, because .NET started life totally separate
from the OS. Whereas today, things like the Windows Firewall
have a .NET dependency, and if Windows Firewall won't start,
the network stack can be held hostage (won't start either until
Firewall starts).


I know you're not interested in Repair Installs of your
Windows 7, so you can try the simple things and see how
they work out.


Thanks. According to
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/re...n-cat-win-13-9 web
page, it needs .NET Framework v4.5 -- "* The AMD Catalyst 13.9 Software
Suite requires Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 to be installed. Microsoft
..NET Framework 4.5 is included in all Catalyst packages)."

I wonder if there is a third party software to take over old CCC with
similiar features like checking statistcs, overriding fan speeds, video
options, etc.
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Old January 29th 21, 12:07 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati,alt.windows7.general
Paul[_28_]
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Default My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(

Ant wrote:
In alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati Paul wrote:
Ant wrote:
Hello.

I can't open my old ATI/AMD Radeon 4870 (512 MB of VRAM)'s video card driver
(13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe)'s Catalyst Control Center GUI (still
can run its background install location\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe process
though) in my over decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. It used to work a few
months ago though so something broke. I tried uninstalling, rebooting, and
reinstalling AMD driver+CCC suite into a new directory, but it still didn't work.

I still can extend and unextend my 1920x1080 desktop to my secondary old dumb
21.5" Samsung SyncMaster T22B350ND HDTV with my primary 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080
pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor. Both video connections are using DVI-VGA adapters
and VGA cables via an old Y2K OmniCube KVM. I don't think it is a hardware issue.

http://pastebin.com/raw/MBJP13hc for my detailed event logs and opening about
showing a crash with an unhandled exception with MS .NET Framework. What's the
problem? Is it my .NET? Something else? I hope I don't have to reinstall my W7
from scratch to get it back.

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon.



Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" confirms this
for us, although somewhat clumsily (as the tester menu
grays out and won't allow selecting just anything you want
to test). Aaron Stebner appears to be a Microsoft employee
from the .NET group, who has constructed cleaning and
verification tools for the great unwashed masses.


Is there an official web site for this program to download from?


It's on Stebners OneDrive. Yes, that's a nuisance to find.
You'll find breadcrumbs for that all over the place. "skydrive.live.com"
is part of the path of the official one. Remember, it's not a
Microsoft software product, it doesn't have support, yet it's
an important part of debugging .NET situations.

https://community.broadcom.com/commu...2-158a90a30074

Thanks. According to
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/re...n-cat-win-13-9 web
page, it needs .NET Framework v4.5 -- "* The AMD Catalyst 13.9 Software
Suite requires Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 to be installed. Microsoft
.NET Framework 4.5 is included in all Catalyst packages)."

I wonder if there is a third party software to take over old CCC with
similiar features like checking statistcs, overriding fan speeds, video
options, etc.


An older version would depend on .net 2.0 .

And there is CCC, CCC2, Crimson, there are different
names for the different versions. I would not be
surprised if the latest named version uses
a different .net value.

It's unlikely someone else would code up
a control panel. Only on a bar bet perhaps.
The softwares that do exist, set clocks
or support overclocking or undervolting on
the video cards. MSI Afterburner? being an
example ?

If you're dependent on .NET 4.5, can't you
remove it and reinstall it. Or even go into
Programs and Features, select the line item
and select "Repair" from the three-choice menu.
Not all items have a "Repair", just the well
crafted ones do. Some items only offer "Remove".

Paul
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Old January 29th 21, 04:14 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati,alt.windows7.general
Ant[_3_]
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Posts: 756
Default My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(

Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" confirms this
for us, although somewhat clumsily (as the tester menu
grays out and won't allow selecting just anything you want
to test). Aaron Stebner appears to be a Microsoft employee
from the .NET group, who has constructed cleaning and
verification tools for the great unwashed masses.


Is there an official web site for this program to download from?


It's on Stebners OneDrive. Yes, that's a nuisance to find.
You'll find breadcrumbs for that all over the place. "skydrive.live.com"
is part of the path of the official one. Remember, it's not a
Microsoft software product, it doesn't have support, yet it's
an important part of debugging .NET situations.


https://community.broadcom.com/commu...2-158a90a30074


Drats. Many links are gone including its zip files.


Thanks. According to
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/re...n-cat-win-13-9 web
page, it needs .NET Framework v4.5 -- "* The AMD Catalyst 13.9 Software
Suite requires Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 to be installed. Microsoft
.NET Framework 4.5 is included in all Catalyst packages)."

I wonder if there is a third party software to take over old CCC with
similiar features like checking statistcs, overriding fan speeds, video
options, etc.


An older version would depend on .net 2.0 .


And there is CCC, CCC2, Crimson, there are different
names for the different versions. I would not be
surprised if the latest named version uses
a different .net value.


It's unlikely someone else would code up
a control panel. Only on a bar bet perhaps.
The softwares that do exist, set clocks
or support overclocking or undervolting on
the video cards. MSI Afterburner? being an
example ?


Ooh, I forgot about that software. I always used the reference softwares
from chipsets. I am using a MSI R4870-T2D512 OC Radeon HD 4870 video
card from 2012. I can't seem to find anything related to old Radeon HD
like https://us.msi.com/search/radeon%20HD. Argh.

So, I had to use DuckDuckGo's search for
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/su...ver&Win7%2064:
https://download.msi.com/uti_exe/vga...urnerSetup.zip redirects me to https://www.msi.com/Landing/afterburner
https://download.msi.com/archive/vga...Win7_Vista.zip (7/23/2010 -- old!!).
Do I really want to use these?


If you're dependent on .NET 4.5, can't you
remove it and reinstall it. Or even go into
Programs and Features, select the line item
and select "Repair" from the three-choice menu.
Not all items have a "Repair", just the well
crafted ones do. Some items only offer "Remove".


I downloaded .NET v4.8, but that didn't fix it. I tried my downloaded
dotNetFx45_Full_setup.exe, but it wouldn't let me because I had a newer
version (v4.8). I only can repair and uninstall v4.8. Repair didn't help
so I uninstalled it. CCC still doesn't work. I retried v4.5 installation
with and without updates from Windows Update to retry CCC. It must be
something else.

I don't see any other versions in mu uninstall list. Programs and
Features only show v3.5.1. I have no idea what other softwares use .NET.
I just don't want to break them too.

Worse case scenarios: Live without CCC and reinstall W7.
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