eSATA (external SATA)

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

Timothy Daniels wrote:

Right Timmy, so where are the drives with eSata signal drivers?


So who needs 'em? You're too hung up on specs and
published standards to move your bowels without a manual,
Rod.

And yet know this you persist on arguing with a person that has absolutely
no real world experience and just parrots manufacturer's specs and reviews.

Rita

Rita,

You obviously know your stuff - but shouldn't you open your mind to the
overall picture?

Not everyone can enjoy (for financial reasons, mainly) the security of
SCSI or SAS...


Odie
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Retrodata
www.retrodata.co.uk
Globally Local Data Recovery Experts

Odie Ferrous wrote:

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

And yet know this you persist on arguing with a person that has absolutely
no real world experience and just parrots manufacturer's specs and reviews.

Rita,

You obviously know your stuff

LOL!

Is that sarcasm?

- but shouldn't you open your mind to the overall picture?

or at least stop trolling?

Not everyone can enjoy (for financial reasons, mainly) the security of
SCSI or SAS...

Previously Odie Ferrous wrote:
Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

Timothy Daniels wrote:

Right Timmy, so where are the drives with eSata signal drivers?


So who needs 'em? You're too hung up on specs and
published standards to move your bowels without a manual,
Rod.

And yet know this you persist on arguing with a person that has absolutely
no real world experience and just parrots manufacturer's specs and reviews.

Rita

Rita,

You obviously know your stuff - but shouldn't you open your mind to the
overall picture?

Not everyone can enjoy (for financial reasons, mainly) the security of
SCSI or SAS...

Hmm. I seem to remember some recent publication that demonstrated
that while SCSI is delivering better speeds, reliability to comparable
IDE/SATA. By now I would say that matches my experience. Maybe
the perceived reliability edge of SCSI is mainly due to SCSI
being often operated in better environmental conditions
(air-conditioned server rooms, e.g.). With the about 40 Maxtor
drives (not reliable drives in ordinary conditions), I have
had reliably (one real failure, the otherfailed drives were dropped
in transport) run for 3 years now in a climate controlled server
room, this matches my personal experience. In the same time
there was 1 SCSI disk loss in a Sun servers in the same
server room, woith about 15 or so SCSI siosk in Suns there.

Of course that is not enough for a real statistical statement,
but at least to me suggestive.

Arno

"Arno Wagner" wrote:
I seem to remember some recent publication that
demonstrated that while SCSI is delivering better speeds,
reliability to comparable IDE/SATA.

That's not a complete sentence. What did the publication
say?

*TimDaniels*

Previously Timothy Daniels wrote:
"Arno Wagner" wrote:
I seem to remember some recent publication that
demonstrated that while SCSI is delivering better speeds,
reliability is comparable to IDE/SATA.
^^ ^^
Clearer now?

Arno

That's not a complete sentence. What did the publication
say?

*TimDaniels*

"Timothy Daniels" wrote in message
"Arno Wagner" wrote:
I seem to remember some recent publication that
demonstrated that while SCSI is delivering better speeds,
reliability to comparable IDE/SATA.

That's not a complete sentence.

Not enough time in a day for a babblebot.
You never know when the next brainfarct hits. (Oops, too late)

What did the publication say?

Like your bowels care, Timmy.


*TimDaniels*

"chrisv" wrote in message
Odie Ferrous wrote:

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

And yet know this you persist on arguing with a person that has absolutely
no real world experience and just parrots manufacturer's specs and reviews.

Rita,

You obviously know your stuff

LOL!

Is that sarcasm?

No, just one troll's obvious admiration for another one.


- but shouldn't you open your mind to the overall picture?

or at least stop trolling?

Hell no. To encourage it, of course.


Not everyone can enjoy (for financial reasons, mainly) the security of
SCSI or SAS...

"Arno Wagner" wrote:
I seem to remember some recent publication that
demonstrated that while SCSI is delivering better speeds,
reliability is comparable to IDE/SATA.

Clearer now?


Yup. Did the article say that the comparison was made
under the same load conditions?

*TimDaniels*

Previously Timothy Daniels wrote:
"Arno Wagner" wrote:
I seem to remember some recent publication that
demonstrated that while SCSI is delivering better speeds,
reliability is comparable to IDE/SATA.

Clearer now?


Yup. Did the article say that the comparison was made
under the same load conditions?

I really don't know. Its several papers actually, referenced he

http://storagemojo.com/?p=383

I also don't know whether they examined reliability per byte, which
would put SCSI at a disadvantage, since the disks are smaller in
general.

But my conclusion for the moment is that there is no estabished
''truth'' and that the market needs to be watched. Also that, like
before, the only thing that can give you reliability is redundancy,
in the form of RAID, remote mirroring and backups.

Arno