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Problem with new P4 3.06 & win98se installation
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Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz. The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start. I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0 errors. My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533 FSB, I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300. The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal mode the lock up always happens at start up. There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to put a fresh install of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all PCI cards and it still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in. May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes ??? Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now. BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this bug is only on win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE. Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ?? |
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127.0.0.1 wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz. The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start. I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0 errors. My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533 FSB, I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300. The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal mode the lock up always happens at start up. There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to put a fresh install of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all PCI cards and it still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in. May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes ??? Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now. BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this bug is only on win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE. Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ?? Two things I can think of: 1, Turn off HT in BIOS, 98 isn't HT-capable. If it isn't turned on in BIOS (or doesn't have the option) then I don't know if HT can be 'seen' by the OS. 2, Is your PCI bus running out-of-spec? It could be causing problems with your PCI/IDE bus and causing crashes. If the board is only specced for 100Mhz and there is no divider for 1/4 for the PCI bus then at 133 it's running at 44Mhz instead of 33Mhz. A lot of HDDs (particularly Seagates IME) don't like the PCI bus that far out of spec. -- ~misfit~ |
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"~misfit~" wrote in message ... 127.0.0.1 wrote: X-No-Archive: yes Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ?? Two things I can think of: 1, Turn off HT in BIOS, 98 isn't HT-capable. If it isn't turned on in BIOS (or doesn't have the option) then I don't know if HT can be 'seen' by the OS. 2, Is your PCI bus running out-of-spec? It could be causing problems with your PCI/IDE bus and causing crashes. If the board is only specced for 100Mhz and there is no divider for 1/4 for the PCI bus then at 133 it's running at 44Mhz instead of 33Mhz. A lot of HDDs (particularly Seagates IME) don't like the PCI bus that far out of spec. -- Hi, I dont have any HT options in the BIOS - the motherboard is too old. So I dont think the OS can see it.. although programs do know the processors has HT enabled. My motherboard has 2/4, 1/3 and FIX dividers for PCI and AGP. Its selected correctly... if it was wrong I think XP would have problems also - but it doesnt. I didnt notice that XP refuses to shut down properly but otherwise everything operating normally in XP. It strange how Win98 works in safe mode.... Anyone else have any ideas ? |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:00:03 +0100, "127.0.0.1"
wrote: X-No-Archive: yes Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz. The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start. I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0 errors. My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533 FSB, I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300. The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal mode the lock up always happens at start up. There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to put a fresh install of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all PCI cards and it still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in. May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes ??? Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now. BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this bug is only on win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE. Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ?? How much main memory do you have installed on this system? More than 512MB, perhaps? /daytripper (wait for it ;-) |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:38:38 +0100, "127.0.0.1" wrote:
X-No-Archive: yes "~misfit~" wrote in message ... 127.0.0.1 wrote: X-No-Archive: yes Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ?? Two things I can think of: 1, Turn off HT in BIOS, 98 isn't HT-capable. If it isn't turned on in BIOS (or doesn't have the option) then I don't know if HT can be 'seen' by the OS. 2, Is your PCI bus running out-of-spec? It could be causing problems with your PCI/IDE bus and causing crashes. If the board is only specced for 100Mhz and there is no divider for 1/4 for the PCI bus then at 133 it's running at 44Mhz instead of 33Mhz. A lot of HDDs (particularly Seagates IME) don't like the PCI bus that far out of spec. -- Hi, I dont have any HT options in the BIOS - the motherboard is too old. So I dont think the OS can see it.. although programs do know the processors has HT enabled. My motherboard has 2/4, 1/3 and FIX dividers for PCI and AGP. Its selected correctly... if it was wrong I think XP would have problems also - but it doesnt. I didnt notice that XP refuses to shut down properly but otherwise everything operating normally in XP. It strange how Win98 works in safe mode.... Anyone else have any ideas ? If it works in safe mode then it most likely some sort of resource conflict. You should try and see if you can't find out what's conflicting or just reinstall Win98 on top of itself. 8shrugs* -- Onideus Mad Hatter mhm ¹ x ¹ http://www.backwater-productions.net |
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Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ?? How much main memory do you have installed on this system? More than 512MB, perhaps? No, 512MB. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:00:03 +0100, "127.0.0.1"
wrote: X-No-Archive: yes Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz. The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start. EXACTLY when does it lock up? Precision here might be critical. Does it make it to the desktop? Have you tried creating a bootlog (F8 menu selection after the POST screen). I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0 errors. My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533 FSB, I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300. .... so it's overclocked. First thing to do is obvious enough, UN-overclock it. Reduce the FSB speed to spec for the motherboard, that is, 100MHz, and see if it still crashes. Nevermind that the CPU will be underclocked for the moment, we need to establish whether the FSB o'c is an issue. Performance may be relatively poor with the underclocked memory bus anyway, you might consider a newer motherboard & memory. The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal mode the lock up always happens at start up. You can also use the Win98SE boot menu to selectively load certain drivers, or Device Manager to temporarily disable some devices, and/or pull cards out temporarily. There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to put a fresh install of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all PCI cards and it still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in. May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes ??? Never heard of that happening before, seems unlikely. Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now. BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this bug is only on win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE. Well there's a KB article and patch for SE but in my experience that doesn't generally lock a system on boot, but if it did that (as well as many problems) should show up in the bootlog. http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=243199 |
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You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM or the
systems freezes/crashes. -- DaveW "127.0.0.1" wrote in message ... X-No-Archive: yes Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz. The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start. I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0 errors. My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533 FSB, I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300. The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal mode the lock up always happens at start up. There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to put a fresh install of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all PCI cards and it still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in. May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes ??? Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now. BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this bug is only on win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE. Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ?? |
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That is incorrect. 9X only requires an entry in the vcache section of
system.ini to limit vcache to no more than 512. "DaveW" wrote in message news:NTChc.56$_L6.6422@attbi_s53... You know, of course, that Win 98SE, cannot use more than 512MB of RAM or the systems freezes/crashes. -- DaveW "127.0.0.1" wrote in message ... X-No-Archive: yes Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz. The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start. I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0 errors. My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533 FSB, I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300. The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal mode the lock up always happens at start up. There are no conflicts in the device manager.. and I even went so far as to put a fresh install of 98se on another hard disk and it does it on that as well. Ive removed all PCI cards and it still locked up... the only thing that works is putting the P4 1.7 back in. May be win98se doesnt like P4 3.06ghz or it sees the HT feature and crashes ??? Its driving me nuts Ive been at this for 3 days now. BTW: I looked into something regarding an "ndis.vxd" bug but I think this bug is only on win98 and not win98se - can anyone confirm its fixed on 98SE. Anyway shed any light onto what I can do ?? |
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127.0.0.1 wrote:
Just upgraded my processor from a P4 1.7 - P4 3.06ghz. The problem is Windows 98 SE always locks up at the same point at the start. I established that the system is stable by putting windows XP on an external hard drive and running PRIME95 & MEMTEST. Both ran fine for hours with 0 errors. My board is ABIT TH7IIRAID and although it doesnt offically support the 533 FSB, I overclocked it to 133fsb x 23. I underclocked the RAM to 300. The windows98 SE can boot fine into safe mode but when ever I go into normal mode the lock up always happens at start up. 98SE and earlier have issues with CPUs over ~2.1GHz due to overflow problems. See http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108 I've had a friend who tried to get the patch out of MS without paying for support, but it seems to be impossible to do. Fortunately, someone who HAS got it out of them has been kind enough to post it on the web: http://www.sjordan.com/ndis_fix.html [...] -- Michael Brown www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open |
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