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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
On 8/27/2020 7:13 AM, bad sector wrote:
On 2020-08-27 00:37, s wrote: My nephew is 14 and living in another state who wants to build his own computer. I sent following YouTube videos for him to watch and learn how to do it. Build a PC - Step-by-step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q Beginners Guide - Build a PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmcD8v3vR4 How To Build a $500 Gaming PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyhn6seoow The idea is to assemble a basic PC using which he can do homework, learn new topics etc. Would the following parts be compatible to buy, assemble? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ I like that case, made me one ten years ago that draws filtered air in via the raised bottom and 3 4" silent fans with all other fans reversed if required. Has been working very well with cpu never above 47c.Â* I have another idea now but before that I might just get me one of those cases from amazon! Would the single fan in this https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ be enough for cooling? |
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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
On 2020-08-29 19:28, s wrote:
On 8/27/2020 7:13 AM, bad sector wrote: On 2020-08-27 00:37, s wrote: My nephew is 14 and living in another state who wants to build his own computer. I sent following YouTube videos for him to watch and learn how to do it. Build a PC - Step-by-step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q Beginners Guide - Build a PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmcD8v3vR4 How To Build a $500 Gaming PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyhn6seoow The idea is to assemble a basic PC using which he can do homework, learn new topics etc. Would the following parts be compatible to buy, assemble? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ I like that case, made me one ten years ago that draws filtered air in via the raised bottom and 3 4" silent fans with all other fans reversed if required. Has been working very well with cpu never above 47c.Â* I have another idea now but before that I might just get me one of those cases from amazon! Would the single fan in this https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ be enough for cooling? Cooling always depends on ambient conditions and cpu and cards and such. The fact that it's a best seller on amazon would I think speak well for it under average or better conditions, power supplies, CPU's, some video cards and drive racks have their own fans in addition. I would have no problem ordering it. For a beginner who isn't going to jump right into hacking and cannibalising hardware it's plenty good enough -- War, is the school of peace |
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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
On 8/27/2020 9:58 AM, Paul wrote:
s wrote: My nephew is 14 and living in another state who wants to build his own computer. I sent following YouTube videos for him to watch and learn how to do it. Build a PC - Step-by-step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q Beginners Guide - Build a PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmcD8v3vR4 How To Build a $500 Gaming PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyhn6seoow The idea is to assemble a basic PC using which he can do homework, learn new topics etc. Would the following parts be compatible to buy, assemble? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-C...dp/B014W3EM2W/ https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barra...dp/B07D99KFPK/ https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-360...dp/B07STGGQ18/ https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Venge...dp/B07RM39V5F/ https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-13...dp/B06Y66K3XD/ https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-X570...dp/B07SXF8GY3/ I would appreciate any suggestions Thanks I agree with John McGaw. Find a tiny SSD for a boot drive. Backups or other materials (call this secondary storage) should go on a spinner. If a person has no other desktop computers, they don't really have a lot of secondary storage. And the owner should develop good backup habits, to handle the bugs that the 2020 "rolling release" world brings with it. You can't rely on the OS settings to be doing anything right (the settings can change on their own), so it is up to you to apply whip and chair to maintain some level of control of your three-ring circus. If configured right, the backup drive can also be set up to be a boot drive (for emergency boot). For situations where the computer stopped booting on the SSD ("Windows Update" indigestion). For Windows 10, the SSD could be as small as 45GB and you could get by with that. You don't have to spend a lot of money on it if you don't want to. At the 128GB level, some SSD drives do that with a single flash chip inside. ******* Q300L user manual. http://us.coolermaster.com/xresserve...400073262.html Looks like it has room to install one spinning drive (on a mounting plate), plus multiple SSD drives. It almost looks like the HDD mount is on the back of the tray, whereas SSD drives are on the back and the front of the tray. HDDs are "stable on six axis", the compass points, so can be mounted that way. I slide drives in and out of the computer all day long, so such an arrangement (bolting to tray) would make me crazy :-) If you use the machine for any sort of Technician Machine (like, backing up a friends hard drive to your hard drive), having two trays for drives would be a minimum. Buying external enclosures is an unnecessary expense. But, I suppose this borders on a "life style issue" as much as anything else. The case "meets a minimum requirement". Generally, I find with computer cases, that you can easily enter from one side, but if maintenance involves visiting the front (via glass door) or the back (rear mounted items like HDD), you can do that if the PC is sitting on a table, but other seating arrangements for the PC make this more difficult. The absolute worst case you could be buying, would be a scissor case, where it has a hinge on the bottom and the two halves fold open. Pure misery. The PSU is on the bottom of the computer case. The very last row of pictures in the "manual", shows the PSU is mounted upside-down, which means the intake fan is facing upwards. This is only a problem in the following scenario. The case is porous on top. If you rest a Coke on the top of the machine, and you happen to spill the Coke, Coke liquid is now entering the PC. It pours downwards. If finds the (slowly spinning) PSU intake fan. Coke is splattered around line voltage components in the PSU. One poster, when I described the potential problems caused by "porous on top PCs", mentioned, "yeah, when I spilled some water in there, the PSU made a sizzling sound". And that would be for a PSU mounted the normal way, at the top of the PC, with fewer ways for liquid to get inside! It's for this reason, that either the individual has great discipline (never rests a drink on the PC), or, select a case where fluids don't find a way to do that. This is why all my PCs here have flat metal tops, for "shedding behavior". Yes, I know that mounting a radiator under the top of a PC is all the rage now, so I understand why they're porous on top. Fabrics which collect dust, need to be cleaned every three months or so. At least in this case, the condition of the fabric material is easy to check visually. Many cases hide the dust filter behind a door, and you have to be Houdini to get it out and clean it. (That's because the dust filter comes out the bottom of the PC via a slot down there.) There is no place in the PC for an optical drive, no way to play a CD someone brings over. (More expense buying a USB slim to retrofit.) Many people don't care about this. Fine. There's nothing wrong with the case as such, and the above is a "nuisance-factor analysis". ******* PSU - check that cable length is sufficiently long, to reach from Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* the PSU bay, to the various electrical loads. The back mounted Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* HDD plate, might need an extension cable. Since the PSU is Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* upside-down, the loom will be exiting close to the mobo tray Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* and back surface of the PC. Not a problem, just a comment. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* The PSU could charge an iPad, if the PC is "soft-off" and Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not S3 Sleep (usual +5VSB limits). The +5V is weaker than I Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* would like, but then there's no large collection of drive bays Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* either, to load it down. I like PSUs to be ready for anything, Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* and 3.3V 20A and 5V 20A are the minimum I use here. There is also Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* a combined power limit on the two rails, and if that was 100W Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* in a crappy example, then really only one rail could be fully Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* loaded. On modern PCs, I don't expect the chipset load or drive Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* loads, to make generous ratings there necessary any more. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Now that the PSU has all-shrouded cables and all the wires Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* are black in color... it's pretty hard for me to be measuring Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* these loads with my clamp-on DC ammeter to check them. All-black Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* wire is an abomination. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* The PSU has two PCIe connectors, so that part is as ready Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* as you would like. All the rest of the determinations, depend Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* on what components you add to the PC. ******* https://outervision.com/b/PFGmMG One problem with that power calculator, is it doesn't give a breakdown of individual cards. The RX 580 could be 185W or 12V 15.5A. The CPU, it would all depend on whether it's overclocked, or whether the TDP is correct. (On Intel processors, the power shoots above TDP by a fair bit if AVX is being used.) That suggests they're allocating 12V @ 10A for the CPU (subtract hard drive currents from the calc). Whereas Newegg lists AMD Ryzen 5 3600 as 65W TDP. The outervision.com calc could be a little bit on the high side on the +12V. It might be 24 or 25 amps or so. Load Wattage: 439 WÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* +3.3VÂ*Â*Â*Â* +5VÂ*Â*Â*Â* +12V Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 9.5 AÂ*Â*Â* 11.3 AÂ* 29.3 A Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* --- 88 W ---Â*Â* 351 W I monitor my PC with a Kill-O-Watt meter, so I have a good idea how close to the max power it runs. It managed to draw 250W the other day, running Prime95 and some AVX code in there, and the video card would add 180W if I were to run Furmark. Since my VCore should be overheating at 250W, I didn't leave that running for too long :-) I think the nephews build will be substantially lower and well behaved. You have to go out of your way, to attempt to tip over this setup. ******* Motherboard - X570 is fan cooled, with what could be a Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 40mm custom fan or similar. Tail of video card Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* runs across the top, so the cooling design Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cannot afford to be too tall. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* If the fan fails... the young builder is Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* going to be learning a thing or two about Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* retrofitting a heatpipe cooler (and the one Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* I have in mind is likely not in production now). Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* On a fan failure, this might be beyond my Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* pay scale to fix (no materials). Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* If it used a standard 40mm square or 60mm square Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* fan, then I'd have no argument with the design. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* As you can swap the square ones. ******* Â*Â* Paul Thanks Paul, Will the fan in https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ be enough or are more fans needed? I appreciate the detailed response and advice. |
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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
On 8/28/2020 10:40 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
On 8/28/2020 4:57 AM, bad sector wrote: On 2020-08-27 00:37, s wrote: My nephew is 14 and living in another state who wants to build his own computer. I sent following YouTube videos for him to watch and learn how to do it. Build a PC - Step-by-step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q Beginners Guide - Build a PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmcD8v3vR4 How To Build a $500 Gaming PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyhn6seoow The idea is to assemble a basic PC using which he can do homework, learn new topics etc. Would the following parts be compatible to buy, assemble? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-C...dp/B014W3EM2W/ https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barra...dp/B07D99KFPK/ https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-360...dp/B07STGGQ18/ https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Venge...dp/B07RM39V5F/ https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-13...dp/B06Y66K3XD/ https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-X570...dp/B07SXF8GY3/ I would appreciate any suggestions Thanks Very good AND nice idea BTW. I just sold a tractor to a 35-40 year old dad who bought it for his also 14 year old son who wants to do potatoes. I really thought that I would never again see this sort of thing in my lifetime anymore, it was one of my happiest days in a while and not because I got my hands on money. You would be amazed how fast youngsters can soak things up, I would at least also mention to him that just as you can build a box so you can also build the OS or OS'es that will run it, Linux. Maybe not right off the bat, but a seed will be planted (pun intended). Let me Suggest your nephew take a look at: Â*https://www.tomshardware.com/topics/pc-builds both for how-to and suggestions for components at various price points. Thanks, this is very helpful! |
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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
On 8/29/2020 6:13 PM, bad sector wrote:
On 2020-08-29 19:28, s wrote: On 8/27/2020 7:13 AM, bad sector wrote: On 2020-08-27 00:37, s wrote: My nephew is 14 and living in another state who wants to build his own computer. I sent following YouTube videos for him to watch and learn how to do it. Build a PC - Step-by-step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q Beginners Guide - Build a PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmcD8v3vR4 How To Build a $500 Gaming PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyhn6seoow The idea is to assemble a basic PC using which he can do homework, learn new topics etc. Would the following parts be compatible to buy, assemble? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ I like that case, made me one ten years ago that draws filtered air in via the raised bottom and 3 4" silent fans with all other fans reversed if required. Has been working very well with cpu never above 47c.Â* I have another idea now but before that I might just get me one of those cases from amazon! Would the single fan in this https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ be enough for cooling? Cooling always depends on ambient conditions and cpu and cards and such. The fact that it's a best seller on amazon would I think speak well for it under average or better conditions, power supplies, CPU's, some video cards and drive racks have their own fans in addition. I would have no problem ordering it. For a beginner who isn't going to jump right into hacking and cannibalising hardware it's plenty good enough Thank you! I appreciate the prompt clarification. |
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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
On 8/29/2020 7:18 PM, s wrote:
On 8/27/2020 5:01 AM, John McGaw wrote: On 8/27/2020 2:29 AM, Anssi Saari wrote: s writes: The idea is to assemble a basic PC using which he can do homework, learn new topics etc. Would the following parts be compatible to buy, assemble? I don't see any issues but I didn't check it closely. One thing is, I'd definitely go with an SSD instead of a hard drive. Or one of each but that might be confusing for a first build. I was going to give the same suggestion. In 2020 a new build with a spinning primary drive would be like going back to 2016. I have no objection to spinners in a secondary data-only role but never for the system disk in a modern system. Although I don't find it best a SATA-connected SSD rather than an M.2 type might be easier to understand for a beginner. Thanks, I will advise him to use a M.2 SSD. Actually, my suggestion was than a standard SATA interface would be easier to understand. There is a matter with an M.2 SSD which requires a driver to be loaded during the OS installation process -- without the required driver the M.2 is effectively unavailable -- and some find that to be tricky. Up to you of course. The M.2 will give much better performance but you should study up on how to provide the requisite driver during the OS install so there are no slip ups. -- Bodger's Dictum: Artifical intelligence can never overcome natural stupidity. |
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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
s wrote:
On 8/29/2020 6:13 PM, bad sector wrote: On 2020-08-29 19:28, s wrote: On 8/27/2020 7:13 AM, bad sector wrote: On 2020-08-27 00:37, s wrote: My nephew is 14 and living in another state who wants to build his own computer. I sent following YouTube videos for him to watch and learn how to do it. Build a PC - Step-by-step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q Beginners Guide - Build a PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmcD8v3vR4 How To Build a $500 Gaming PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyhn6seoow The idea is to assemble a basic PC using which he can do homework, learn new topics etc. Would the following parts be compatible to buy, assemble? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ I like that case, made me one ten years ago that draws filtered air in via the raised bottom and 3 4" silent fans with all other fans reversed if required. Has been working very well with cpu never above 47c. I have another idea now but before that I might just get me one of those cases from amazon! Would the single fan in this https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ be enough for cooling? Cooling always depends on ambient conditions and cpu and cards and such. The fact that it's a best seller on amazon would I think speak well for it under average or better conditions, power supplies, CPU's, some video cards and drive racks have their own fans in addition. I would have no problem ordering it. For a beginner who isn't going to jump right into hacking and cannibalising hardware it's plenty good enough Thank you! I appreciate the prompt clarification. You use the system cooling equation for that. By now, you might be saying, "how can I figure out what fan to use for the case ?". Well, there is an equation for that too. Now, for this one, you need to know all the thermal loads inside the computer case. We have the 125W processor, say a 100W video card, two 12W hard drives, say a total of 250W. Our definition of a well cooled case, is 7C, which is equal to 12.6 Fahrenheit degrees. Plugging in the values. CFM = 3.16 * Watts / Delta_T_degrees_F CFM = 3.16 * 250W / 12.6F = 62.7 cubic feet per minute. It would take two rear fans of 35CFM each, to give 70CFM to cool the air inside the case to "only" a 7C rise above ambient. If room temp is 20C, then case air is 27C under those assumptions. You're trying to keep the hard drive temperature below 60C, if you need a metric. (The air can't be 60C! If the air was 40C, maybe the disk is 60C.) And you don't want the CPU getting so hot, that it throttles because you didn't have a good enough fan on the back. Using a utility like Speedfan (almico.com), you can monitor various temperatures and see how close to an ideal situation you're in. For most people, a realistic value for system power is the hard part. If the fan were to be "temperature controlled", it could "rail" when the computer is gaming, and "loaf" when the machine is idle. I like to run mine at a fixed speed, so that if a fan is failing and slowing down, I can notice the change with my ear. But others like their temperature-controlled fans. My newest machine is probably off the ideal value by around half. So my case cooling is only about 50% of what it should be. But the 110CFM fan that used to be in the computer case, was causing "hearing loss", so it had to go :-) And I know what the power usage on the Test Machine is, because it has a Kill-O-Watt meter connected. It draws 180W when all cores are loaded. If the video card cuts in, it might hit 340W. If AVX is used, that's another increment. I try not to run it too long with synthetic tests on it (with the low capacity fan at least). I don't have a problem running it all day at 180W though (compressing an entire disk drive). I know the VCore regulator doesn't have a big enough heatsink on it, which is the limitation on my system (don't want to damage it). What's funny is, the computer I'm typing on, has a metric acre of copper to cool VCore, and it doesn't even get luke warm. The computer where they knew the power would be 4X higher, they put this ****ty little cooler on it (probably just aluminum too, not a copper one). When buying the motherboard, I neglected to note just how poor that cooler was. But I figured it out, the day I "built up" the computer on the kitchen table, without fitting it into the computer case. I run them first, without a computer case, then I "run a finger over the hot stuff", just to spot issues. And that's when I burned my finger on VCore :-/ I had to fit a small fan, just for Vcore. The clever guys at some of the review sites, they use a FLIR infrared camera to spot build issues. Typically the camera overlays a low-res infrared image on top of a slight-higher res visible image, and from that, you can spot issues with precision. For example, when someone spotted an eight-pin DIP running at 100C, that was dead easy with an IR camera. I would have missed that, using my finger, as I would never suspect such a small chip of running that hot. I'd hate for an engineer to have done that on purpose. Paul |
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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
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Thanks Paul, Will the fan in https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ be enough or are more fans needed? I appreciate the detailed response and advice. See other new post, which has mention of the equation to use. Paul |
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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
On 2020-08-29 22:49, Paul wrote:
s wrote: On 8/29/2020 6:13 PM, bad sector wrote: On 2020-08-29 19:28, s wrote: On 8/27/2020 7:13 AM, bad sector wrote: On 2020-08-27 00:37, s wrote: My nephew is 14 and living in another state who wants to build his own computer. I sent following YouTube videos for him to watch and learn how to do it. Build a PC - Step-by-step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q Beginners Guide - Build a PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmcD8v3vR4 How To Build a $500 Gaming PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyhn6seoow The idea is to assemble a basic PC using which he can do homework, learn new topics etc. Would the following parts be compatible to buy, assemble? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ I like that case, made me one ten years ago that draws filtered air in via the raised bottom and 3 4" silent fans with all other fans reversed if required. Has been working very well with cpu never above 47c.Â* I have another idea now but before that I might just get me one of those cases from amazon! Would the single fan in this https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ be enough for cooling? Cooling always depends on ambient conditions and cpu and cards and such. The fact that it's a best seller on amazon would I think speak well for it under average or better conditions, power supplies, CPU's, some video cards and drive racks have their own fans in addition. I would have no problem ordering it. For a beginner who isn't going to jump right into hacking and cannibalising hardware it's plenty good enough Thank you! I appreciate the prompt clarification. You use the system cooling equation for that. Â*Â* By now, you might be saying, "how can I figure out what fan to Â*Â* use for the case ?". Well, there is an equation for that too. Â*Â* Now, for this one, you need to know all the thermal loads inside Â*Â* the computer case. We have the 125W processor, say a 100W Â*Â* video card, two 12W hard drives, say a total of 250W. Our definition Â*Â* of a well cooled case, is 7C, which is equal to 12.6 Fahrenheit degrees. Â*Â* Plugging in the values. Â*Â* CFM = 3.16 * Watts / Delta_T_degrees_F Â*Â* CFM = 3.16 * 250W / 12.6F = 62.7 cubic feet per minute. Interesting, I never saw that before. I have three relatively silent 4" fans sucking air into the box through the filtered bottom, then the power unit and disk racks boosting flow to the outside through them with their own fan and only the cpu fan doing little else than a bit of purely internal flow increase. My study hardly ever gets above 25c, 95% of the time 20c, and with that cpu or disks never went above 47c. I have seen a simplified version of the above formula where the wattage is 1/2 the power-supply capacity. Agree about the noise, it's my next target, want my next box not just low-noise but TOTALLY silent It would take two rear fans of 35CFM each, to give 70CFM to cool the air inside the case to "only" a 7C rise above ambient. If room temp is 20C, then case air is 27C under those assumptions. You're trying to keep the hard drive temperature below 60C, if you need a metric. (The air can't be 60C! If the air was 40C, maybe the disk is 60C.) And you don't want the CPU getting so hot, that it throttles because you didn't have a good enough fan on the back. Using a utility like Speedfan (almico.com), you can monitor various temperatures and see how close to an ideal situation you're in. For most people, a realistic value for system power is the hard part. If the fan were to be "temperature controlled", it could "rail" when the computer is gaming, and "loaf" when the machine is idle. I like to run mine at a fixed speed, so that if a fan is failing and slowing down, I can notice the change with my ear. But others like their temperature-controlled fans. My newest machine is probably off the ideal value by around half. So my case cooling is only about 50% of what it should be. But the 110CFM fan that used to be in the computer case, was causing "hearing loss", so it had to go :-) And I know what the power usage on the Test Machine is, because it has a Kill-O-Watt meter connected. It draws 180W when all cores are loaded. If the video card cuts in, it might hit 340W. If AVX is used, that's another increment. I try not to run it too long with synthetic tests on it (with the low capacity fan at least). I don't have a problem running it all day at 180W though (compressing an entire disk drive). I know the VCore regulator doesn't have a big enough heatsink on it, which is the limitation on my system (don't want to damage it). What's funny is, the computer I'm typing on, has a metric acre of copper to cool VCore, and it doesn't even get luke warm. The computer where they knew the power would be 4X higher, they put this ****ty little cooler on it (probably just aluminum too, not a copper one). When buying the motherboard, I neglected to note just how poor that cooler was. But I figured it out, the day I "built up" the computer on the kitchen table, without fitting it into the computer case. I run them first, without a computer case, then I "run a finger over the hot stuff", just to spot issues. And that's when I burned my finger on VCore :-/ I had to fit a small fan, just for Vcore. hehehehe, the last time I did THAT was with a 486 and it literally burned my finger because it WAS actually cooking itself to death, just like an ironing plate! The clever guys at some of the review sites, they use a FLIR infrared camera to spot build issues. Typically the camera overlays a low-res infrared image on top of a slight-higher res visible image, and from that, you can spot issues with precision. For example, when someone spotted an eight-pin DIP running at 100C, that was dead easy with an IR camera. I would have missed that, using my finger, as I would never suspect such a small chip of running that hot. I'd hate for an engineer to have done that on purpose. Â*Â* Paul |
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Guiding a 14 year old nephew on building his own computer
s wrote on 8/29/2020 8:48 PM:
On 8/28/2020 10:40 PM, Bennett Price wrote: On 8/28/2020 4:57 AM, bad sector wrote: On 2020-08-27 00:37, s wrote: My nephew is 14 and living in another state who wants to build his own computer. I sent following YouTube videos for him to watch and learn how to do it. Build a PC - Step-by-step https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhX0fOUYd8Q Beginners Guide - Build a PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmcD8v3vR4 How To Build a $500 Gaming PC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyhn6seoow The idea is to assemble a basic PC using which he can do homework, learn new topics etc. Would the following parts be compatible to buy, assemble? https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...dp/B0785GRMPG/ https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-C...dp/B014W3EM2W/ https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barra...dp/B07D99KFPK/ https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-360...dp/B07STGGQ18/ https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Venge...dp/B07RM39V5F/ https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-13...dp/B06Y66K3XD/ https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-TUF-X570...dp/B07SXF8GY3/ I would appreciate any suggestions Thanks Very good AND nice idea BTW. I just sold a tractor to a 35-40 year old dad who bought it for his also 14 year old son who wants to do potatoes. I really thought that I would never again see this sort of thing in my lifetime anymore, it was one of my happiest days in a while and not because I got my hands on money. You would be amazed how fast youngsters can soak things up, I would at least also mention to him that just as you can build a box so you can also build the OS or OS'es that will run it, Linux. Maybe not right off the bat, but a seed will be planted (pun intended). Let me Suggest your nephew take a look at: Â*https://www.tomshardware.com/topics/pc-builds both for how-to and suggestions for components at various price points. Thanks, this is very helpful! You're welcome. :-) |
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