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OT Bill Gates tells senators "we need more foreign programmers to remain competitive"
"John Doe" wrote in message ... "Schrodinger's cat" martin scotland.org wrote: SNIP Microsoft doesn't want to pay for education and training of American programmers. Instead of giving Americans the jobs, Microsoft would rather import easy to control low-wage programmers. Since Americans are under strict intellectual property law, they do however have to pay to maintain Microsoft's empire. On the other hand, many other countries have no intellectual property law or don't enforce it, so they get Windows for free. The easy to control imported programmer sends much of his Microsoft money home to where his countrymen don't even pay for Windows. That can't be good for our economy. There's something very wrong about the New World order especially as it relates to intellectual property. Unfortunately, a lot of people in Europe (not me) have the impression that most Americans are ill-educated, pampered and most of all insular, insofar as they find it difficult to look outside of their own state or country and see their place in something much wider (the world). "I held off mentioning they were French, but it had to be said!" Message-ID: 44246d04$0$70309$ed2619ec ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net Your post does much to reinforce that unfair stereotyping. In other words "I don't have a counter argument, so I use the oldest lamest argument known to man." Of course you like the idea of being paid for helping to produce the products you pirate. The more drain you put on our intellectual property, the more those corporate executives will scream for your cheap foreign labor. I dont pirate software. I buy it. I have a sneaking suspicion that my labour doesn't come any cheaper than yours. You mustn't fall into the trap of thinking that everyone outside of the USA has the need or inclination to pitch up there. The USA does not have a monopoly on intellectual property or copyright. This is an issue which a number of more developed countries are grappling with. You bang on about "Johnny foreigner" pirating software and in virtually the same paragraph you criticise MS for selling cheaper versions of Windows in poor regions of the world. MS are actually fighting the piracy in a sensible way - why pirate the software when you can afford to buy a legitimate copy? Again, it's just bad for our economy. Letting us do the heavy intellectual property lifting while you sit around sucking it dry might be good for your economy in the long-run though. Bottom line is that Microsoft make massive profits doing business the way they want to. That's why Bill Gates is massively successful and er, you are not. He's much cleverer than you are. But answer one question. Why are you cutting and pasting the headers from other posters into your replies? Most of us know how to look at a header anyway. Frankly, things like that and your redneck ecomomic theories do you no favours. Regards Martin |
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OT Bill Gates tells senators
In article , John Doe says...
no spam.invalid (Kalesh) wrote: i think the world is moving towards a *GLOBAL MARKET* sort of a state. If it were a global market, we would play by the same intellectual property rules. Thankfully we don't. The way IP is being enforced in the US is doing nothing but killing off progress. Microsoft's money comes from Americans. Microsoft pays easy to control H-1B Visa immigrants. Those immigrants send the money home to their family. Why? They don't live in the US. .. If you all paid for our intellectual property, the software you are paid for helping to produce, it wouldn't be so bad. So what about Americans using IP involved in Linux? After all, Linus Torvalds isn't American. How many American companies are freeloading off Linux? -- Conor, Same ****, different day. |
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OT Bill Gates tells senators "we need more foreign programmers to remain competitive"
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:21:09 GMT, John Doe
wrote: My post was properly labeled off-topic and posted to an associated group. But I wanted to ask David Maynard again anyway, does Microsoft possess monopoly power over the personal computer desktop operating system market? In other words, is Windows a monopoly? I'm not david but try this. Since 99.99% of all computers sold in retail are Windows OS based, and 99.99% of consumers do not "build" their own computers then I would say, without a doubt, that microsoft's OS is a monopoly. One could argue that people can choose a MAC or build there own systems, but do we make these arguments with other things? Are we to assume AT&T was not a monopoly because EVERYONE could have signed up with a phone carrier which was 300% more expensive but they all choose to stay with AT&T? What about cars? There are around 12-15 car makers in the world. There was a time when GM and FORD were basically the only choice. What else can we build one our own? I bet if we all spent enough research and time on it we could all build our own LCD monitors too. ALSO there is the thing with profits. A business is designed to turn a profit. Where did people get the idea that a company with stock and cash reserves of 1/2 a trillion dollars needed to be "protected"? If Microsoft needs protection, then I should have 100 armed guards around me 24/7/365 |
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OT Bill Gates tells senators "we need more foreign programmers to remain competitive"
"Schrodinger's cat" martin scotland.org wrote:
"John Doe" jdoe usenet.love.invalid wrote in message news:Xns9796953D0B7ADfollydom 207.115.17.102... "Schrodinger's cat" martin scotland.org wrote: SNIP Microsoft doesn't want to pay for education and training of American programmers. Instead of giving Americans the jobs, Microsoft would rather import easy to control low-wage programmers. Since Americans are under strict intellectual property law, they do however have to pay to maintain Microsoft's empire. On the other hand, many other countries have no intellectual property law or don't enforce it, so they get Windows for free. The easy to control imported programmer sends much of his Microsoft money home to where his countrymen don't even pay for Windows. That can't be good for our economy. There's something very wrong about the New World order especially as it relates to intellectual property. Unfortunately, a lot of people in Europe (not me) have the impression that most Americans are ill-educated, pampered and most of all insular, insofar as they find it difficult to look outside of their own state or country and see their place in something much wider (the world). "I held off mentioning they were French, but it had to be said!" Message-ID: 44246d04$0$70309$ed2619ec ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net Your post does much to reinforce that unfair stereotyping. In other words "I don't have a counter argument, so I use the oldest lamest argument known to man." Of course you like the idea of being paid for helping to produce the products you pirate. The more drain you put on our intellectual property, the more those corporate executives will scream for your cheap foreign labor. I dont pirate software. I buy it. And the cow jumps over the moon. I have a sneaking suspicion that my labour doesn't come any cheaper than yours. You have a big ego for such small arguments. You mustn't fall into the trap of thinking that everyone outside of the USA has the need or inclination to pitch up there. The USA does not have a monopoly on intellectual property or copyright. We produced the vast majority of intellectual property. Most other countries watch our entertainment too. I know that for a fact because I have collected Internet TV stations, so I know what kind of television other countries watch. This is an issue which a number of more developed countries are grappling with. When they want our government handouts. They are happy to steal our intellectual property. You bang on about "Johnny foreigner" pirating software Which is true. and in virtually the same paragraph you criticise MS for selling cheaper versions of Windows in poor regions of the world. That's true also. MS are actually fighting the piracy in a sensible way - And fighting their inclination to go with Linux. Again, it's just bad for our economy. Letting us do the heavy intellectual property lifting while you sit around sucking it dry might be good for your economy in the long-run though. Bottom line is that Microsoft make massive profits doing business the way they want to. The bottom line is that Microsoft Windows and Office is a cash cow monopoly duo. That's why Bill Gates is massively successful and er, you are not. He's much cleverer than you are. In fact you don't know that, unless you are suggesting that the richest person is the cleverest. Gaining a stranglehold on desktop software helped make Bill Gates & Co. filthy rich. Obviously you aren't the cleverest since you boast about Bill Gates being charitable. There is nothing charitable about giving away money when you are left with more than you could spend in 100 lifetimes. It's only meaningful when you fantasize that he will toss you a crumb. But answer one question. Why are you cutting and pasting the headers from other posters into your replies? Apparently you are a new breed, a libertarian control freak. Regards Martin Path: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm04.news.prodigy. com!newsdbm01.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01b.news.pro digy.com!prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!pr odigy.net!news.glorb.com!news.astraweb.com!router2 .astraweb.com!not-for-mail From: "Schrodinger's cat" martin scotland.org Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt References: Xns9795EC3699674follydom 207.115.17.102 442c247e$0$13182$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com Xns9796953D0B7ADfollydom 207.115.17.102 Subject: OT Bill Gates tells senators "we need more foreign programmers to remain competitive" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:55:58 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Lines: 74 Message-ID: 442c53e7$0$13675$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: b252f4e5.news.astraweb.com X-Trace: DXC=aP1O\0[[EanN4DY]]om;IiL?0kYOcDh jcNBDDX8YHab];9o9bX8EhjFjRXhIVFTaIdaDJLgOgffO0R6\2X5_En Xref: prodigy.net alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:462758 |
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OT Bill Gates tells senators
Conor wrote:
If it were a global market, we would play by the same intellectual property rules. Thankfully we don't. The way IP is being enforced in the US is doing nothing but killing off progress. That's about right IMO. I have a difficult time believing that our country is ruled by elitists, but that's about the only explanation. Apparently they are out of touch with how the rest of the world views/treats intellectual-property. The Bush Jr. administration protects Microsoft like no one else in our country has talent (or it's just a libertarian might-makes-right policy). If you all paid for our intellectual property, the software you are paid for helping to produce, it wouldn't be so bad. So what about Americans using IP involved in Linux? After all, Linus Torvalds isn't American. How many American companies are freeloading off Linux? I thought it was the other way around. At one point, SCO was suing IBM and others for incorporating UNIX code into Linux. Anybody know what happened? http://sco.iwethey.org/ That's the closest I find after a short search. No recent information. |
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ASCPA clamps down.......
Top posting troll
"JAD" kapasitor earthcharter.net wrote: Path: newssvr12.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm05.news.prodigy. com!newsdbm03.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01b.news.pro digy.com!prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!pr odigy.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.c om!69.28.186.75.MISMATCH!hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmedia!ne ws.highwinds-media.com!hw-filter.lga!fe07.lga.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "JAD" kapasitor earthcharter.net Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt References: Xns9795EC3699674follydom 207.115.17.102 122oi973ilgpr96 corp.supernews.com Subject: ASCPA clamps down....... Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: rnYWf.73$E24.9 fe07.lga X-Trace: pikkdiabbdefphaplmpdhbbmefinjfhmpmfflghnfpofdehhao nhidceclnhngfnimjkaegagjofclcdlghkfenfffnldikodejn aadlioejkljbmglepjiafdenofedbcfagklmibllijll NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:49:11 MST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:49:05 -0800 Xref: prodigy.net alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:462756 "David Maynard" nospam private.net wrote in message news:122oi973ilgpr96 corp.supernews.com... Troll Fines for feeding the Trolls are being levied in lue of the huge increase in troll population. This is especially bad under bridges and in the gutters. Do not feed the trolls! ;^) |
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OT Bill Gates tells senators "we need more foreign programmers to remain competitive"
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:13:09 GMT, John Doe
wrote: Bill Gates was in Washington this week, as usual lobbying for an increase in H-1B visas. The richest man in the world earned his keep when he looked our president in the eye and (without laughing) said "Microsoft needs cheap, easy to control foreign programmers to remain competitive". Gates is right. Microsoft's biggest competitive threat is freeware. How much can they afford to pay their programmers when the competition is working for nothing? Microsoft's golden era is over. A job with Microsoft is like a deck chair on the Titanic. Charlie |
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OT Bill Gates tells senators
In article , John Doe says...
I thought it was the other way around. At one point, SCO was suing IBM and others for incorporating UNIX code into Linux. Anybody know what happened? Yup. SCO has yet to prove anything. -- Conor, Same ****, different day. |
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OT Bill Gates tells senators "we need more foreign programmers to remain competitive"
"BOB" wrote in message ... On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:21:09 GMT, John Doe wrote: My post was properly labeled off-topic and posted to an associated group. But I wanted to ask David Maynard again anyway, does Microsoft possess monopoly power over the personal computer desktop operating system market? In other words, is Windows a monopoly? almost EVERYTHING is a monopoly, FOOD stores for instance..... 30 different names all owned buy a huge agri-conglomerate. I'm not david but try this. Since 99.99% of all computers sold in retail are Windows OS based, and 99.99% of consumers do not "build" their own computers then I would say, without a doubt, that microsoft's OS is a monopoly. Good example of phony stats, that are used to debate a topic. Which is a very commonly used tatctic. One could argue that people can choose a MAC or build there own systems, but do we make these arguments with other things? Are we to assume AT&T was not a monopoly because EVERYONE could have signed up with a phone carrier which was 300% more expensive but they all choose to stay with AT&T? What about cars? There are around 12-15 car makers in the world. There was a time when GM and FORD were basically the only choice. and it should have stayed that way here in America, instead of turning Michigan into a welfare state. I bet if we all spent enough research and time on it we could all build our own LCD monitors too. research time?.....it would take FAR more than that. ALSO there is the thing with profits. A business is designed to turn a profit. Where did people get the idea that a company with stock and cash reserves of 1/2 a trillion dollars needed to be "protected"? so if your dads buisness makes 1 million dollars and somebody decides thats to much we should let them break it up If Microsoft needs protection, then I should have 100 armed guards around me 24/7/365 If it was your company the whistle would sound different. If someone was stealing from your company at an alarming rate, or was under attack from hostile people (wish we would have listened sore heads) you would want protection. ANY legitimate company deserves protection no matter the profit margine. |
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OT Bill Gates tells senators "we need more foreign programmers to remain competitive"
"JAD" kapasitor earthcharter.net wrote:
"BOB" no-email this.time wrote in message news:83to221d3q38ijdbotk5h5d8l3a9b8ai06 lol.com... On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:21:09 GMT, John Doe jdoe usenet.love.invalid wrote: But I wanted to ask... does Microsoft possess monopoly power over the personal computer desktop operating system market? In other words, is Windows a monopoly? Since 99.99% of all computers sold in retail are Windows OS based, and 99.99% of consumers do not "build" their own computers then I would say, without a doubt, that microsoft's OS is a monopoly. Good example of phony stats, Monopoly status does not even require near 100% market share, and it is based on more than market share. ALSO there is the thing with profits. A business is designed to turn a profit. Where did people get the idea that a company with stock and cash reserves of 1/2 a trillion dollars needed to be "protected"? so if your dads buisness makes 1 million dollars and somebody decides thats to much we should let them break it up The sensible solution to the Microsoft problem is separating the operating system from the applications. Microsoft owns the significant money making personal computer applications. Microsoft was able to do that because it controls the application playing field. As Microsoft gets fatter and lazier, don't be surprised if it sucks up what's left. If someone was stealing from your company at an alarming rate, or was under attack from hostile people (wish we would have listened sore heads) you would want protection. Microsoft and other American intellectual property makers are under attack from the world. Protecting our companies from us while the rest of the world rapes them makes no sense. The best course of action is to foster competition here at home so that the entire country becomes stronger, instead of allowing a single company to subjugate the rest. We beat our own while the rest of the world frolics in the software pool. Path: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm04.news.prodigy. com!newsdbm01.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01b.news.pro digy.com!prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!pr odigy.net!news.glorb.com!hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmedia!ne ws.highwinds-media.com!hw-filter.lga!fe07.lga.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "JAD" kapasitor earthcharter.net Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt References: Xns9795EC3699674follydom 207.115.17.102 122oi973ilgpr96 corp.supernews.com Xns97969C30FD367follydom 207.115.17.102 83to221d3q38ijdbotk5h5d8l3a9b8ai06 lol.com Subject: OT Bill Gates tells senators "we need more foreign programmers to remain competitive" Lines: 63 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: BwcXf.16$Je5.8 fe07.lga X-Trace: pikkdiabbdefphapehgiphlmnononjaaimopcmkfpimpglekao nhidceclnhngfnapikogpdcolfconemmljodmkdfcaipaffamm jnccmnabompganmjlhcokbdnalmlbcfagklmibllijll NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:11:13 MST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:11:09 -0800 Xref: prodigy.net alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:462794 |
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