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Best format for USB flash drives nowadays?
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:29:43 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: On 2015-10-09 13:09, Alan Browne wrote: Where FAT32 is concerned most of my flash cards are formatted in camera (FAT32) and files there are about 32 MB. No need for anything larger. Consider a HD movie that might be 6 to 8 gigs. Sometimes easier way to transfer it is via USB. Or you make a .ZIp backup of a collection of photos that exceeds 4GB onto a .ZIP. The .ZIP file is greater than 4 gigs. I think almost if not all zip utilities allow you to divide the zip into 4GB portions. Or just use exFAT. I think the original question was about OS compatibility. Linux, Mac and Windows support exFAT. I read something about journaling not working well on flash cards, which would probably exclude NTFS, and all the Unix extXs from the OP's choice. []'s It's easy enough to use ext4 without a journal using -O ^has_journal for mke2fs. I use this on all any of my USB sticks that are not fat32. |
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Best format for USB flash drives nowadays?
Ant wrote:
... I don't either, but it wouldn't shock me if there were. And yes, 98 was quite good, stable. But I do recall a couple blue screens of death with it. I don't recall (admittedly fuzzy here) a BSOD with XP. Given XP's incrediable run, I'm surprised you never saw in BSOD :-) But yeah - for the most part I found it quite stable, as I also did with fully fully patched 98. 95 while neat (for Windows - it couldn't hold a candle to System 7) was a frequent source of BSOD for me. I have seen BSoDs in ALL Windows (v3.0+). I have never seen a Mac OS X crash with errors so far. I have seen hard locked up machines on all OSes though including Linux. I had many a kernel panic in early OS X 10.5, and have had a few in 10.6 - usually a couple a year. Nothing to get excited about. Back in Classic MacOS I had a crash every week, minimum, and sometimes that would cause file corruption, unlike OS X. I expect it is my gaming that makes my systems a bit more unstable. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. |
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Best format for USB flash drives nowadays?
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:20:10 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters
wrote: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Shadow wrote: On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:29:43 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: On 2015-10-09 13:09, Alan Browne wrote: Where FAT32 is concerned most of my flash cards are formatted in camera (FAT32) and files there are about 32 MB. No need for anything larger. Consider a HD movie that might be 6 to 8 gigs. Sometimes easier way to transfer it is via USB. Or you make a .ZIp backup of a collection of photos that exceeds 4GB onto a .ZIP. The .ZIP file is greater than 4 gigs. I think almost if not all zip utilities allow you to divide the zip into 4GB portions. Or just use exFAT. I think the original question was about OS compatibility. Linux, Mac and Windows support exFAT. I read something about journaling not working well on flash cards, which would probably exclude NTFS, and all the Unix extXs from the OP's choice. []'s It's easy enough to use ext4 without a journal using -O ^has_journal for mke2fs. I use this on all any of my USB sticks that are not fat32. Yes, sure, but unless you use third party software http://osxfuse.github.io/ http://www.ext2fsd.com ext4 is not what the OP wanted - cross platform. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On 2015-10-09 13:09, Alan Browne wrote:
Where FAT32 is concerned most of my flash cards are formatted in camera (FAT32) and files there are about 32 MB. No need for anything larger. Consider a HD movie that might be 6 to 8 gigs. Sometimes easier way to transfer it is via USB. Or you make a .ZIp backup of a collection of photos that exceeds 4GB onto a .ZIP. The .ZIP file is greater than 4 gigs. I think almost if not all zip utilities allow you to divide the zip into 4GB portions. Or just use exFAT. I think the original question was about OS compatibility. Linux, Mac and Windows support exFAT. I read something about journaling not working well on flash cards, which would probably exclude NTFS, and all the Unix extXs from the OP's choice. []'s It's easy enough to use ext4 without a journal using -O ^has_journal for mke2fs. I use this on all any of my USB sticks that are not fat32. Yes, sure, but unless you use third party software http://osxfuse.github.io/ http://www.ext2fsd.com ext4 is not what the OP wanted - cross platform. []'s But OP mentioned other non-computer devices too. How can you do that? -- Quote of the Week: "The eyeless ant asked God, 'Give me eye-lashes.'" --Georgian Proverb Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- ( ) ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. |
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Best format for USB flash drives nowadays?
On 10/11/2015 7:04 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-10-10 21:04, Ed Light wrote: On 10/10/2015 7:26 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: Ed Light wrote: On 10/9/2015 6:41 AM, Alan Browne wrote: For interoperability it's best to use FAT32. I've never had any issue with FAT32 at all in 20 years or so that it's been around I based my post on my Windows 98 experience. It would crash often, and you'd almost always find errors on the FAT 32 when running chkdisk. I hadn't found an error when checking my previous USB flash drive, and it was on my keychain getting battered around and rained on for a couple years. My fear would be if there were a problem writing to it, and the file system got corrupted, maybe just at the written file. Don't take counsel of your fears. The fact is that FAT 32 is more vulnerable to damage than NTFS. Don't believe it if you wish. -- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Iraq Veterans Against the War and Related: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org http://antiwar.com Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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On 2015-10-11 20:13, Ed Light wrote:
On 10/11/2015 7:04 AM, Alan Browne wrote: On 2015-10-10 21:04, Ed Light wrote: On 10/10/2015 7:26 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: Ed Light wrote: On 10/9/2015 6:41 AM, Alan Browne wrote: For interoperability it's best to use FAT32. I've never had any issue with FAT32 at all in 20 years or so that it's been around I based my post on my Windows 98 experience. It would crash often, and you'd almost always find errors on the FAT 32 when running chkdisk. I hadn't found an error when checking my previous USB flash drive, and it was on my keychain getting battered around and rained on for a couple years. My fear would be if there were a problem writing to it, and the file system got corrupted, maybe just at the written file. Don't take counsel of your fears. The fact is that FAT 32 is more vulnerable to damage than NTFS. Don't believe it if you wish. You're missing my point which is that referring to Win98 is like talking about old tires in the rain. My cameras format to FAT32 and I've never lost any images. I photograph far more than most. Otherwise my USB keys are formatted for Mac. |
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 05:30:50 -0500, Mark Perkins
wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:26:21 -0700, Michael Vilain wrote: If you don't care about files 4GB, exFAT may be OK if your target supports it. If you don't care about files 2GB, FAT32 will be OK. What's the issue with files 2GB (and 4GB) on FAT32? No idea where "2GB" came from. FAT32 supports files up to 4GB - 1 byte. 4,294,967,295 bytes. My son still uses FAT32 on his Win 7. I tried to convince him to convert to NTFS, but he's an IT expert. Or so his university degree says. []'s [OT] HTF can someone study IT for 5 years and NOT know how to read assembler ? Or even know the first thing about hardware ? Welcome to the modern world. -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On 10/12/2015 6:01 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-10-11 20:13, Ed Light wrote: On 10/11/2015 7:04 AM, Alan Browne wrote: On 2015-10-10 21:04, Ed Light wrote: On 10/10/2015 7:26 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: Ed Light wrote: On 10/9/2015 6:41 AM, Alan Browne wrote: For interoperability it's best to use FAT32. I've never had any issue with FAT32 at all in 20 years or so that it's been around I based my post on my Windows 98 experience. It would crash often, and you'd almost always find errors on the FAT 32 when running chkdisk. I hadn't found an error when checking my previous USB flash drive, and it was on my keychain getting battered around and rained on for a couple years. My fear would be if there were a problem writing to it, and the file system got corrupted, maybe just at the written file. Don't take counsel of your fears. The fact is that FAT 32 is more vulnerable to damage than NTFS. Don't believe it if you wish. You're missing my point which is that referring to Win98 is like talking about old tires in the rain. My cameras format to FAT32 and I've never lost any images. I photograph far more than most. Otherwise my USB keys are formatted for Mac. Maybe you don't multitask heavily with lots of tabs open? OK. When you were using 98, apparently you were not getting crashes. But crashes were common. So, if you had them and didn't run chkdsk, you could think everything is ok. But if you ran chkdsk, you'd find errors after virtually every crash. Then with XP, it crashed too, and Win 7 does now, but NTFS rarely gets errors in chkdsk. Win 98 for many people crashed its brains out. It was so fragile. Mishaps do happen between computers and USB sticks. So, errors could happen on FAT 32 that NTFS would be more immune to. I've had someone else's computer totally destroy a USB stick. Not a file system thing, of course. -- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Iraq Veterans Against the War and Related: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org http://antiwar.com Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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On 2015-10-12 17:51, Ed Light wrote:
On 10/12/2015 6:01 AM, Alan Browne wrote: On 2015-10-11 20:13, Ed Light wrote: On 10/11/2015 7:04 AM, Alan Browne wrote: On 2015-10-10 21:04, Ed Light wrote: On 10/10/2015 7:26 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: Ed Light wrote: On 10/9/2015 6:41 AM, Alan Browne wrote: For interoperability it's best to use FAT32. I've never had any issue with FAT32 at all in 20 years or so that it's been around I based my post on my Windows 98 experience. It would crash often, and you'd almost always find errors on the FAT 32 when running chkdisk. I hadn't found an error when checking my previous USB flash drive, and it was on my keychain getting battered around and rained on for a couple years. My fear would be if there were a problem writing to it, and the file system got corrupted, maybe just at the written file. Don't take counsel of your fears. The fact is that FAT 32 is more vulnerable to damage than NTFS. Don't believe it if you wish. You're missing my point which is that referring to Win98 is like talking about old tires in the rain. My cameras format to FAT32 and I've never lost any images. I photograph far more than most. Otherwise my USB keys are formatted for Mac. Maybe you don't multitask heavily with lots of tabs open? Whatever that has to do with my USB keys is a freaking mystery to me. At any time I have half a dozen basic apps open (browsers, mail, calendar and so on) as well as several Excel sheets, often Word (all for Mac, naturally), a virtual machine running Windows (XP) which is typically running accounting S/W. Then of course Google Earht and regular use of Photoshop and my own apps to process various data streams. That's typical. When things get really warn there's basic video editing, video conversions, and much more. Which on Windows or Unix systems is not at all hairy. And in my Win98 days (oh so long ago) I usually had the system pretty heavily loaded as well. OK. When you were using 98, apparently you were not getting crashes. But Of course I did. But I don't recall a FAT32 volume getting messed up. crashes were common. So, if you had them and didn't run chkdsk, you could think everything is ok. But if you ran chkdsk, you'd find errors after virtually every crash. Then with XP, it crashed too, and Win 7 does now, but NTFS rarely gets errors in chkdsk. Win 98 for many people crashed its brains out. It was so fragile. Hmm .. doesn't match my world of the past - and I was a heavy user of Win98 for photography, programming, office docs and much, much more. Mishaps do happen between computers and USB sticks. So, errors could happen on FAT 32 that NTFS would be more immune to. Since to the very best of my recollection I've never had an issue with a FAT32 formatted key, I'll either have to believe me or believe you've had some very unlucky times. Or you abused the devices perhaps by physically pulling them during a write or before a write post was complete. Unix and Linux formally demand that you dismount a drive before physically disconnecting it. Windows has always been wishy washy about that going back to its atrocious DOS underpinnings of Win 3.x... I've had someone else's computer totally destroy a USB stick. Not a file system thing, of course. Hmm - I miss Windows. Hahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahaha,,,, |
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