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nvraid error Win10
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I've encountered "nvraid error" in my (hopefully fixable) install of Win10 ultimate on my desktop. Years ago I set up a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array with three partitions.. Fortunately, I can still boot from the partition with Visa-32 installed. Using checkdisk it has discovered may errors on the Win10 partition. My problem is well known. I need to install more software. An OS that corrupts its own storage is not usable until the problem, is fixed. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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nvraid error Win10
Norm X wrote:
Hi, I've encountered "nvraid error" in my (hopefully fixable) install of Win10 ultimate on my desktop. Years ago I set up a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array with three partitions.. Fortunately, I can still boot from the partition with Visa-32 installed. Using checkdisk it has discovered may errors on the Win10 partition. My problem is well known. I need to install more software. An OS that corrupts its own storage is not usable until the problem, is fixed. There are only two trim levels of consumer Windows 10. There are five trim levels of Windows7 SP1 qualifying for an upgrade. There is a mapping between the two sets. The result of the Win10 upgrade will not have the word "Ultimate" in the final outcome. This is a subset of the map. Win7 Ultimate -- Win10 Professional Win7 Home Premium -- Win10 Home There isn't a business case, for NVidia to be making Windows 10 Southbridge drivers. They've been shut out of the chipset business, like VIA was. Both AMD and Intel have in-house chipsets. Delivering Windows 10 drivers would not be part of NVidia's business strategy. They still make things other than GPUs, there will still be SATA ports on some of their products, but NVRAID would be long-in-the-tooth and not for them. They are more likely now, to be using AHCI drivers, and usually a standard platform driver handles that case. A Win10 RAID driver, could be a Win7 or Win8 driver of some sort. And there are subtle changes to the driver model and stack. So it's not a given you can transfer a driver like that, with zero impact. So why would a person use 3-drive NVRAID RAID0 as starting materials for a Win10 upgrade ? And why would a person start a Windows 10 install, without doing a full backup of the target storage volume ? That three drive RAID, as corrupted as it is right now, should be available for restore from your external USB drive. Why would you even install Windows 10 ? It's not like it has any inherent advantages. Windows 7 has fewer restrictions in places. If you did a backup, it might even work when restored to a single hard drive. It would require setting the re-arm registry entry, for the driver of choice (like, AHCI). You would re-arm as many drivers as there are possible outcomes. You could even set the re-arm, shut down, boot a Macrium Reflect Free backup CD, do the backup of the OS with the re-arm set, and then start the Windows 10 upgrade afterward. Knowing that you had a logical volume in the can for later, ready to go. "My problem is well known" = should have done backup. That's the well-known part. As good as that installer is, "**** happens". On my Win7 laptop, my battery life has been cut in half with Win10 on it, so it cannot stay there. Expect the unexpected. The video driver is an orphan. My GPU, "unsupported". Yes, there is an image on the screen. Ah, wonderful. This is why we test, and is a normal outcome. In fact, in the house right now, I have zero video cards that are "Win10 actively supported". And my last computer build with all new components, was fall 2015! And the video card is already gone out of support. Yes, Windows 10, wonderful. Paul |
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nvraid error Win10
I've encountered "nvraid error" in my (hopefully fixable) install of Win10
ultimate on my desktop. Years ago I set up a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array with three partitions.. Fortunately, I can still boot from the partition with Visa-32 installed. Using checkdisk it has discovered may errors on the Win10 partition. My problem is well known. I need to install more software. An OS that corrupts its own storage is not usable until the problem, is fixed. Whoops, my bad. After 8 years, I remembered how this PC was constructed. So, I removed the HD6450 GPU, started a new Win10 install on a partition that I saved elsewhere. This was my third attempt to make a new free install of Win10, before July 29. A 3 drive RAID 0 storage array is a construct from hardware(3 hdd), nVidia firmware, and nVidia software. Over years the nVidia software was not preserved by Windows updates. I tested the three partitions and only the Vista-32-U has enough nVidia software to be safe to use a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array. Therefor to unable one more (permanent) installation Win10, I need to purchase a new single drive to use for install. Please someone make a suggestion? The RAID array was made from three Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm, ST250310AS with a listed Avg. Sequential Mixed IO Speed 59.8MB/s It is eight years later. Please suggests a SATA model with 1.0 terabyte and 3 or 4 times that data rate? Thanks in advance. |
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nvraid error Win10
On 2016-07-06 1:11 AM, Paul wrote:
Norm X wrote: Hi, I've encountered "nvraid error" in my (hopefully fixable) install of Win10 ultimate on my desktop. Years ago I set up a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array with three partitions.. Fortunately, I can still boot from the partition with Visa-32 installed. Using checkdisk it has discovered may errors on the Win10 partition. My problem is well known. I need to install more software. An OS that corrupts its own storage is not usable until the problem, is fixed. There are only two trim levels of consumer Windows 10. There are five trim levels of Windows7 SP1 qualifying for an upgrade. There is a mapping between the two sets. The result of the Win10 upgrade will not have the word "Ultimate" in the final outcome. This is a subset of the map. Win7 Ultimate -- Win10 Professional Win7 Home Premium -- Win10 Home There isn't a business case, for NVidia to be making Windows 10 Southbridge drivers. They've been shut out of the chipset business, like VIA was. Both AMD and Intel have in-house chipsets. Delivering Windows 10 drivers would not be part of NVidia's business strategy. They still make things other than GPUs, there will still be SATA ports on some of their products, but NVRAID would be long-in-the-tooth and not for them. They are more likely now, to be using AHCI drivers, and usually a standard platform driver handles that case. A Win10 RAID driver, could be a Win7 or Win8 driver of some sort. And there are subtle changes to the driver model and stack. So it's not a given you can transfer a driver like that, with zero impact. So why would a person use 3-drive NVRAID RAID0 as starting materials for a Win10 upgrade ? And why would a person start a Windows 10 install, without doing a full backup of the target storage volume ? That three drive RAID, as corrupted as it is right now, should be available for restore from your external USB drive. Why would you even install Windows 10 ? It's not like it has any inherent advantages. Windows 7 has fewer restrictions in places. If you did a backup, it might even work when restored to a single hard drive. It would require setting the re-arm registry entry, for the driver of choice (like, AHCI). You would re-arm as many drivers as there are possible outcomes. You could even set the re-arm, shut down, boot a Macrium Reflect Free backup CD, do the backup of the OS with the re-arm set, and then start the Windows 10 upgrade afterward. Knowing that you had a logical volume in the can for later, ready to go. "My problem is well known" = should have done backup. That's the well-known part. As good as that installer is, "**** happens". On my Win7 laptop, my battery life has been cut in half with Win10 on it, so it cannot stay there. Expect the unexpected. The video driver is an orphan. My GPU, "unsupported". Yes, there is an image on the screen. Ah, wonderful. This is why we test, and is a normal outcome. In fact, in the house right now, I have zero video cards that are "Win10 actively supported". And my last computer build with all new components, was fall 2015! And the video card is already gone out of support. Yes, Windows 10, wonderful. Paul The reason this upgrade is still viable is because I may be eligible for a "free win10 upgrade" for only to price of a new drive. It is amazing how quick this error turned up. After an upgrade I check Event Viewer everyday. On day there no such errors. Then the next day a "nvraid error" was generated many time per second, so that partition was no longer usable. |
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nvraid error Win10
Norm X wrote:
I've encountered "nvraid error" in my (hopefully fixable) install of Win10 ultimate on my desktop. Years ago I set up a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array with three partitions.. Fortunately, I can still boot from the partition with Visa-32 installed. Using checkdisk it has discovered may errors on the Win10 partition. My problem is well known. I need to install more software. An OS that corrupts its own storage is not usable until the problem, is fixed. Whoops, my bad. After 8 years, I remembered how this PC was constructed. So, I removed the HD6450 GPU, started a new Win10 install on a partition that I saved elsewhere. This was my third attempt to make a new free install of Win10, before July 29. A 3 drive RAID 0 storage array is a construct from hardware(3 hdd), nVidia firmware, and nVidia software. Over years the nVidia software was not preserved by Windows updates. I tested the three partitions and only the Vista-32-U has enough nVidia software to be safe to use a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array. Therefor to unable one more (permanent) installation Win10, I need to purchase a new single drive to use for install. Please someone make a suggestion? The RAID array was made from three Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm, ST250310AS with a listed Avg. Sequential Mixed IO Speed 59.8MB/s It is eight years later. Please suggests a SATA model with 1.0 terabyte and 3 or 4 times that data rate? Thanks in advance. Well, Robert ran off a benchmark this morning. This is a ST1000DM003. Bandwidth at the start of the drive is 208MB/sec or so. Since the drive could have been on a SATA II motherboard port, the tops could be clipped off the peaks on the left. It doesn't really run all that much faster than SATA II. Only a hair faster. https://s32.postimg.org/mu5q1s3zp/example.jpg It's $52 at the moment. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148840 On sequential, you cannot go too much faster than that. More impressive, is Seagate makes a 6TB drive that runs at the same rates. Paul |
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nvraid error Win10
On 2016-07-10 10:52 AM, Paul wrote:
Norm X wrote: I've encountered "nvraid error" in my (hopefully fixable) install of Win10 ultimate on my desktop. Years ago I set up a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array with three partitions.. Fortunately, I can still boot from the partition with Visa-32 installed. Using checkdisk it has discovered may errors on the Win10 partition. My problem is well known. I need to install more software. An OS that corrupts its own storage is not usable until the problem, is fixed. Whoops, my bad. After 8 years, I remembered how this PC was constructed. So, I removed the HD6450 GPU, started a new Win10 install on a partition that I saved elsewhere. This was my third attempt to make a new free install of Win10, before July 29. A 3 drive RAID 0 storage array is a construct from hardware(3 hdd), nVidia firmware, and nVidia software. Over years the nVidia software was not preserved by Windows updates. I tested the three partitions and only the Vista-32-U has enough nVidia software to be safe to use a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array. Therefor to unable one more (permanent) installation Win10, I need to purchase a new single drive to use for install. Please someone make a suggestion? The RAID array was made from three Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm, ST250310AS with a listed Avg. Sequential Mixed IO Speed 59.8MB/s It is eight years later. Please suggests a SATA model with 1.0 terabyte and 3 or 4 times that data rate? Thanks in advance. Well, Robert ran off a benchmark this morning. This is a ST1000DM003. Bandwidth at the start of the drive is 208MB/sec or so. Since the drive could have been on a SATA II motherboard port, the tops could be clipped off the peaks on the left. It doesn't really run all that much faster than SATA II. Only a hair faster. https://s32.postimg.org/mu5q1s3zp/example.jpg It's $52 at the moment. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148840 On sequential, you cannot go too much faster than that. More impressive, is Seagate makes a 6TB drive that runs at the same rates. Paul Thanks Paul, I just bought a 1.0 terabyte Seagate supposedly at 6 GB speed. I brought it home to try to reconstruct my PC. The Win10 DVD said there were problems with the new HDD. PMagic reports only 7.5 GB size 30.0 MB used and 0 free. And PMagic can do nothing. AT startup of the install, I told it where to look for some nVidia devices drivers. Maybe I need to download something from Seagate? But where. |
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nvraid error Win10
Norm X wrote:
On 2016-07-10 10:52 AM, Paul wrote: Norm X wrote: I've encountered "nvraid error" in my (hopefully fixable) install of Win10 ultimate on my desktop. Years ago I set up a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array with three partitions.. Fortunately, I can still boot from the partition with Visa-32 installed. Using checkdisk it has discovered may errors on the Win10 partition. My problem is well known. I need to install more software. An OS that corrupts its own storage is not usable until the problem, is fixed. Whoops, my bad. After 8 years, I remembered how this PC was constructed. So, I removed the HD6450 GPU, started a new Win10 install on a partition that I saved elsewhere. This was my third attempt to make a new free install of Win10, before July 29. A 3 drive RAID 0 storage array is a construct from hardware(3 hdd), nVidia firmware, and nVidia software. Over years the nVidia software was not preserved by Windows updates. I tested the three partitions and only the Vista-32-U has enough nVidia software to be safe to use a 3 drive RAID 0 storage array. Therefor to unable one more (permanent) installation Win10, I need to purchase a new single drive to use for install. Please someone make a suggestion? The RAID array was made from three Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm, ST250310AS with a listed Avg. Sequential Mixed IO Speed 59.8MB/s It is eight years later. Please suggests a SATA model with 1.0 terabyte and 3 or 4 times that data rate? Thanks in advance. Well, Robert ran off a benchmark this morning. This is a ST1000DM003. Bandwidth at the start of the drive is 208MB/sec or so. Since the drive could have been on a SATA II motherboard port, the tops could be clipped off the peaks on the left. It doesn't really run all that much faster than SATA II. Only a hair faster. https://s32.postimg.org/mu5q1s3zp/example.jpg It's $52 at the moment. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148840 On sequential, you cannot go too much faster than that. More impressive, is Seagate makes a 6TB drive that runs at the same rates. Paul Thanks Paul, I just bought a 1.0 terabyte Seagate supposedly at 6 GB speed. I brought it home to try to reconstruct my PC. The Win10 DVD said there were problems with the new HDD. PMagic reports only 7.5 GB size 30.0 MB used and 0 free. And PMagic can do nothing. AT startup of the install, I told it where to look for some nVidia devices drivers. Maybe I need to download something from Seagate? But where. If you boot the Win10 DVD and use the Command Prompt window on it, can you see the drive ? The tool on there to use, is "diskpart". It is the Command Prompt equivalent of Disk Management. diskpart list disk select disk 1 .... exit You can enter commands in there to create partitions, such as make a partition which occupies the whole disk. You have to "select a disk" or "select a partition", before you can issue a command to a disk or issue a command to a partition. One command in particular you should know about, in diskpart, is "clean" and "clean all". To use them, you must select a disk first. (And naturally, make sure it is the correct disk. You could easily erase the wrong one.) The "clean" command zeroes out the MBR. That takes a fraction of a second. The "clean all" command, would zero every byte on the entire 1TB drive. That takes two hours. So if you had a half-baked GPT setup on the disk, you can remove it with "clean all". It's possible for a disk you purchase from someone, to have an HPA on it (Host Protected Area). Those can be removed from Linux, restoring full drive capacity. Even the guy who wrote "Secure Erase", does not guarantee that Secure Erase removes an HPA and makes the disk like new again. So if some idiot applies an HPA (I've done a couple :-) ), removing them can be a chore. It's a chore, because not all motherboards will allow you to use HPA commands. You can only execute one HPA command per boot cycle, and a good BIOS will use up the one command on purpose, so malware will not be able to use the command at runtime. On the machine I'm typing on, only one JMicron port supports my HPA experiments. All the Intel chip ports are permanently closed to HPA. ******* You need an NVidia driver (i.e. a driver for the Southbridge port - Windows has some that are built in). Nothing is absolutely needed from Seagate for a 1TB drive. For data drives larger than 2.2TB, there are some optional materials on the Seagate site in that case. Your drive is only 1TB and just regular tools should be good enough. Modern OSes with GPT capability, don't need Seagate optional materials either (you can make a 6TB partition if you want). If I was in your situation, I would 1) Boot my Ubuntu or Linux Mint DVD. 2) sudo apt-get install disktype --- a tiny program sudo disktype /dev/sda --- gives summary of disk structure 3) sudo fdisk /dev/sda p --- prints MBR for you q Here's some HPA info. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_protected_area This is an example of a typical command while working with an HPA. You do one of these, then reboot, as you cannot issue a second HPA related command in the same session. You cannot insert an HPA and remove an HPA, without rebooting. It's a hardware trap door, and not something you can program around in the Linux kernel or anything. It's the way the hardware works (on purpose). sudo hdparm --yes-i_know_what_i_am_doing -N p# /dev/sdX I remember it cost me a reboot, learning that I had to add the idiotic --yes-i_know_what_i_am_doing to make the command work :-) Of course I don't know what I'm doing. Why make it obvious ? :-) HTH, Paul |
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On 2016-07-11 2:56 AM, Paul wrote:
[snippage] This is an example of a typical command while working with an HPA. You do one of these, then reboot, as you cannot issue a second HPA related command in the same session. You cannot insert an HPA and remove an HPA, without rebooting. It's a hardware trap door, and not something you can program around in the Linux kernel or anything. It's the way the hardware works (on purpose). sudo hdparm --yes-i_know_what_i_am_doing -N p# /dev/sdX I remember it cost me a reboot, learning that I had to add the idiotic --yes-i_know_what_i_am_doing to make the command work :-) Of course I don't know what I'm doing. Why make it obvious ? :-) HTH, Paul I think maybe you are conflation Windows and Linux. Nevertheless there are different methods to achieve the same ends. In the present case, I tried to use PMagic to format the Seagate. It failed and I think the reason it failed is the lack of a partition table. PMagic couldn't even SEE the HDD. nor could the Win10 DVD. Maybe PMagic can solve that problem, and create a partition table, I'll check. |
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On 2016-07-11 3:53 AM, Norm X wrote:
On 2016-07-11 2:56 AM, Paul wrote: [snippage] This is an example of a typical command while working with an HPA. You do one of these, then reboot, as you cannot issue a second HPA related command in the same session. You cannot insert an HPA and remove an HPA, without rebooting. It's a hardware trap door, and not something you can program around in the Linux kernel or anything. It's the way the hardware works (on purpose). sudo hdparm --yes-i_know_what_i_am_doing -N p# /dev/sdX I remember it cost me a reboot, learning that I had to add the idiotic --yes-i_know_what_i_am_doing to make the command work :-) Of course I don't know what I'm doing. Why make it obvious ? :-) HTH, Paul I think maybe you are conflation Windows and Linux. Nevertheless there are different methods to achieve the same ends. In the present case, I tried to use PMagic to format the Seagate. It failed and I think the reason it failed is the lack of a partition table. PMagic couldn't even SEE the HDD. nor could the Win10 DVD. Maybe PMagic can solve that problem, and create a partition table, I'll check. Ignore previous comment: PMagic reports only 7.5 GB size 30.0 MB used and 0 free. I probably misinterpreted the info presented. 7.5 GB is the size of a flash drive. PMagic said nothing about Seagate. |
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Norm X wrote:
On 2016-07-11 2:56 AM, Paul wrote: [snippage] This is an example of a typical command while working with an HPA. You do one of these, then reboot, as you cannot issue a second HPA related command in the same session. You cannot insert an HPA and remove an HPA, without rebooting. It's a hardware trap door, and not something you can program around in the Linux kernel or anything. It's the way the hardware works (on purpose). sudo hdparm --yes-i_know_what_i_am_doing -N p# /dev/sdX I remember it cost me a reboot, learning that I had to add the idiotic --yes-i_know_what_i_am_doing to make the command work :-) Of course I don't know what I'm doing. Why make it obvious ? :-) HTH, Paul I think maybe you are conflation Windows and Linux. Nevertheless there are different methods to achieve the same ends. In the present case, I tried to use PMagic to format the Seagate. It failed and I think the reason it failed is the lack of a partition table. PMagic couldn't even SEE the HDD. nor could the Win10 DVD. Maybe PMagic can solve that problem, and create a partition table, I'll check. You can use whatever tools you want, to examine the disk. You could try PTEDIT32 if you have a copy. The free copy is no longer available from Symantec. (It's been sitting on the FTP server for years, but got removed - consequently my answers no longer refer to it.) I recommend using whatever good tools you have access to. I frequently use Linux, if a maintenance task calls for it and I don't have a Windows tool. For example, there are some messes you can get into, that Disk Management simply cannot handle. If you do a block by block copy of a hybrid ISO onto a USB key for example, that can be just about impossible to clean off with Windows GUI tools. And then you have to be creative, and check your tool box for another method. I have a copy of Disktype I built in Cygwin, but it would take a whole post to describe how to do it. I'd have to install Cygwin again, just to write it up. The Disktype in Linux (cross-platform) is available instantly from the Package Manager, without a fuss. And it scans the disk and tries to give you a picture of what is on it. I don't know of a single tool that does a comprehensive review of storage device contents and gives an unambiguous picture of the mess you're in. Your Partition Magic results are weird, and smack of a geometry problem. But for me, it's faster to try to get other tools to identify the situation, than to debug what Partition Magic did this time. I mean, Partition Magic gets ****ed off if it spots megabyte alignment, and that is exactly what your Windows 10 install is going to do. If you don't want Windows 10 to do that, you would do an MSDOS setup of an NTFS partition in advance, so Windows could not use the Win10 default alignment choice. That's the way I got myself in a mess with Win7 - installed in a pre-existing NTFS partition (with CHS alignment), and then later I couldn't figure out when I needed megabyte alignment, why it wasn't there :-) The hard drive I had just purchased, hated the CHS alignment and it was slower than it needed to be. It perked up after putting the alignment in, that Windows would have used in the first place if I hadn't been so clever. That sort of thing happens on 512e drives with 4KB internal sectors. Something you can spot from... Linux :-) Bottom drive here is 512n (native), alignment doesn't matter. Works good on any OS. While the top drive needs megabyte alignment for best performance. The top drive is 512e (emulated). Most drives today (percentage wise) are 512e. http://s28.postimg.org/fmmz92g59/disk_comparison.gif Paul |
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