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"JAD" wrote in message ... The only references I can see to this, is HYPE from the partition software makers. Give the link, as I would figure if its that dramatic it should of hit the news reel by now. http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp Note that when this happens your choices are -update BIOS (if available, but many of the affected systems have no update available) -turn off cache and take SEVERAL HOURS to uninstall SP2 There is a third option, but even Microsoft warns that it will cause system instability Basically, your best choice is to wait several months before attempting SP2, unless you've done it already and were lucky enough to have nothing horrible happen. In my case, it was easiest just to nuke the ntfs partition and start over. I couldn't update the BIOS, as no update was available. Uninstalling SP2 would have taken as much time as starting over. (there was no data on the partition, so losing it wasn't a problem) And with the SP2-****ed partition, windows would not boot (not even safe mode) and you couldn't perform a repair install from the windows CD-Rom. I feel sorry for the poor shmucks who put SP2 on a partition with important data on it. (oooooops!!!) Their only choice will be to attempt the several hour uninstall, IF that works. -Dave |
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"ToolPackinMama" wrote in message ... Any problems to report with Service Pack 2? I'm curious to know how it's going for you. No probs here. Installed through Windows update onto my XP Pro PC a week or so ago. Rebooted, McAfee (updated just prior) asked whether I wanted to turn off SP2 security - said yes and everything has been fine since. Shaun |
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The article which Ed linked to doesn't seem to describe a case where a partition is destroyed or data is lost. Plus, it appears that updating the BIOS to a version that loads the latest microcode will help you to avoid/resolve that problem. Are you referring to another scenario? The problem is, many of the affected motherboards have no BIOS update available. If you install SP2 with a Prescott processor and one of the affected motherboards (mostly newer ones, ironically), you will end up with a partition that will not run Windows (not even in safe mode). You will also have a partition that you can not install Windows on. While this doesn't mean your partition is destroyed, it might as well be destroyed. (The average computer user is ****ED at that point.) Without knowing the (disable CPU cache) trick, I could have used linux to retrieve data if necessary. But the bottom line is that the partition needed to be formatted eventually to get Windows working again. Either that, or spend several hours uninstalling SP2 with no cache enabled. Yikes. Essentially, if you install SP2, you could end up having to rebuild an entire partition. I was in the process of doing that anyway, so it was no big deal. But I pity the fools who install SP2 on a partition with gobs of important data, whether that data is backed up or not. -Dave |
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"ToolPackinMama" wrote in message ... Any problems to report with Service Pack 2? I'm curious to know how it's going for you. I've been watching and waiting. (I've also got dial up so I'm definitely doing the CD). I've also been following the posts on the XP group. A lot of problems posted the first few weeks- is calming down now. Most problems seem to be self inflicted. Some of the observations (off the top of my head): It is important to clean up your hard disk and OS prior to install. Viruses and spyware already on the disk cause the most BSOD's. Then there are the usual precautions: turn off all running programs, especially firewall and anti virus. We've all got away with this one in the past but this time they really mean it. Many problems with firewalls and networks. Turn off the firewalls, disconnect from the network. Do a disk check before install. Defrag after. Not surprisingly, Symantec and McGaffee products don't want to play nice. Check for updates and patches for all your programs, particularly anything to do with security and network management. Configure the SP2 controls after install. Pick one firewall, turn off the other. Pretty simple stuff. There does seem to be some real problems with some machines and software configs. Pentium 4E's need a bios patch, for instance. From what I've read I think that installing SP2 by following the instructions, on a clean machine with a pretty basic configuration and a "typical" install of XP will do just fine. Like always, it's the ignorant and the out of the ordinary people that get whacked most often. |
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"ToolPackinMama" wrote in message ... Any problems to report with Service Pack 2? I'm curious to know how it's going for you. If you already know how to protect your computer, it is a PITA. The firewall is always turning itself on and dumb warning messages are always popping up. My wifi laptop card now connects at half the signal strength. The pop-up blocker works no better than google toolbar. Floating ads are not blocked. P2P like BitTorrent must be adjusted to allow more than 10 connections. Unfortunately, I slipstreamed it onto a CD and now must reformat to get rid of it. Stay away. |
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Dave C. wrote:
The article which Ed linked to doesn't seem to describe a case where a partition is destroyed or data is lost. Plus, it appears that updating the BIOS to a version that loads the latest microcode will help you to avoid/resolve that problem. Are you referring to another scenario? The problem is, many of the affected motherboards have no BIOS update available. If you install SP2 with a Prescott processor and one of the affected motherboards (mostly newer ones, ironically), you will end up with a partition that will not run Windows (not even in safe mode). Well, you have an installation that hangs during boot up, but that's not the only thing that's ever caused a system to hang. You will also have a partition that you can not install Windows on. You have a partition with windows already on it. While this doesn't mean your partition is destroyed, Precisely. It isn't. it might as well be destroyed. Not true. (The average computer user is ****ED at that point.) Without knowing the (disable CPU cache) trick, Screwed the same way they're screwed with any serious problem; the most common being drivers. I could have used linux to retrieve data if necessary. But the bottom line is that the partition needed to be formatted eventually to get Windows working again. As you say in your next breath, no it did not 'need' to be formatted because there IS a means to uninstall. Either that, or spend several hours uninstalling SP2 with no cache enabled. Yikes. Essentially, if you install SP2, you could end up having to rebuild an entire partition. I have problems with you pointing out two choices and then continuing to claim there's only one. I was in the process of doing that anyway, so it was no big deal. But I pity the fools who install SP2 on a partition with gobs of important data, whether that data is backed up or not. -Dave And this is why I have problems with your contradictory claims. While YOU may decide 'formatting' is 'the solution' for YOU, someone with important data might be willing to spend those 'hours' you're too anxious to wait for but if they listen to YOU they don't KNOW they have that choice because YOU keep telling everyone they're '****ed', the partition is 'destroyed', and that their ONLY option is to rebuild the damn thing. |
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"Ed" wrote in message ... On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:42:37 GMT, "KCB" wrote: "Dave C." wrote in message ... "ToolPackinMama" wrote in message ... Any problems to report with Service Pack 2? I'm curious to know how it's going for you. You mean besides destroying partitions of computers with Prescott processors on brand new motherboards of various chipsets? Other than that, no problems to report. -Dave I haven't seen that problem. Did it happen to you personally? Do you have links to a news story? http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp Ed This link states nothing about destroying a partition. It doesn't even mention partitions at all. No data is lost and there is a workaround to either continue using SP2 (with possible instability), or uninstall the thing (with the time lost) and start over with SP1 or original XP. How can anybody claim, as Dave C. has, that SP2 is "destroying partitions of computers with Prescott processors" when no such thing has happened? Sound the alarms!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! |
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I lost my print spooler and sound but I think my original xp install was
kind of shaky. Did a reinstall and all is working fine now "ToolPackinMama" wrote in message ... Any problems to report with Service Pack 2? I'm curious to know how it's going for you. |
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"David Maynard" wrote in message Serious question, David . . . are you arguing with me just because you can? You didn't directly contradict anything I said, but you have a problem with everything I said. If this is just a personal vendetta, get over it. Please. -Dave |
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http://support.microsoft.com/default...&Product=winxp Ed This link states nothing about destroying a partition. It doesn't even mention partitions at all. No data is lost and there is a workaround to either continue using SP2 (with possible instability), or uninstall the thing (with the time lost) and start over with SP1 or original XP. How can anybody claim, as Dave C. has, that SP2 is "destroying partitions of computers with Prescott processors" when no such thing has happened? Sound the alarms!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Y'know, it's easy to be a Microsoft apologist if you haven't spent several hours fixing their ****-up for them. People need to know that there is a REAL DANGER involved with installing SP2. SP2 can and HAS caused many Computers to not be able to boot Windows, PERIOD. Not normally, not from safe mode, and not from CD-Rom. There are workarounds to the problem, but there are no GOOD solutions, just various degrees of really BAD solutions. It would be irresponsible of someone who knows of the danger NOT to warn others about it. -Dave |
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