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"TomG" wrote one problem for sure... if you decide to wait on something new, there will *always* be something new! you will always be waiting! I have a fried who kept waiting for the "new" stuff and after a couple of years without a PC, he says "damn! I keep waiting but it never stops!" He finally went out an bought current state of the art and is very happy. Hi, when was the last time you had your Case *form-factor* changed? (4 years ago maybe?) when was the last time you had your PSU *form-factor* changed? (2 years ago maybe?) when was the last time you had your Graphics Card *form-factor* changed?(4 years ago maybe?) when was the last time you had your Memory *form-factor* changed?(4 years ago maybe?) when was the last time you had your PCI/Expansion Cards *form-factor* changed?(4 years ago maybe?) Please try and understand my posts before you give a *blanket* response people, what is happening here is *Exceptional* don't you see? when ever in your life have you ever seen something like this before? never. . .thought so! I know about the waiting game, but this time it is different, very different but you don't see it. -- Wayne ][ |
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"rstlne" wrote I think it's time for the changes to be honest.. DDR2 is going to be out of here (for the most part) when the BTX systems come into play and I think it's great that the AGP/PCI slots are going away and becoming a more robust standard.. It's somewhat lame that we have to buy 2 (or in some cases 3 or 4) types of cards to fill your computer slots.. I dont like how INTEL has decided to shove the mobo on the left side of the case.. It means that we cant even adapt the cases&rigs that we currently have.. Granted I think they want hte systems to run cooler and more efficently and I guess doing this will force ppl to rebuild the cases around their own Standard instead of just doing modifications. I think it's a good thing all in all.. I am sure that when it all comes to the market that i'll see things I miss, The ps2 keyboard was the most flimsy thing to ever hit the market and I still HATE that it's gone to ps2 (I like that SOLID bus port plug).. Hi, At last someone who makes a sensible reply! To many dismissive people here, makes it hard to get a nice thread going. I like to build nice machines, and ones that are a *little* future proof, but it seems a LARGE investment in a modern day ATX Style rigg is now a bad idea if you like to tweak and upgrade. . . The past few years it would have been the case of maybe swapping out a mobo or such like, not having to start from scratch because every single piece of kit you own (excluding USB2.0 devices, monitors, printers etc) no longer is compatible? I been involved in I.T hardware many years and I never heard of such a thing as what is proposed this year! -- Wayne ][ |
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"Ed" wrote If you stick with AMD I'd bet an ATX setup today would be good for another 5 years, I just don't see AMD switching to the BTX layout anytime soon, unless ATX disappears overnight and they have no other choice. Hi, interesting point, What we may be seeing now is INTEL breaking away *totally*. What I mean by that is if you choose *INTEL Inside* then all your components will only work on an INTEL system. That means that not one single component from your INTEL system will work with AMD? (hmm apart from Hard-disks, and USB2.0 devices). Whereas today only the CPU is bound, you can swap memory and graphics cards between AMD & INTEL systems, not for long, you must choose! You see where this is going if AMD stick to ATX. . . -- Wayne ][ |
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That is a good timely report Wayne,
Dashi "Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... "rstlne"wrote You know In Technolgoy terms Ur about 1/3 of the lifecycle late on that report Well, my *emphasise* was on the fact that it's all happening rather quickly for INTEL, allot of new changes all at once?. . . Whats your thoughts then? -- Wayne ][ |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:29:56 GMT, "Dashi" wrote:
That is a good timely report Wayne, Dashi "Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... "rstlne"wrote You know In Technolgoy terms Ur about 1/3 of the lifecycle late on that report Well, my *emphasise* was on the fact that it's all happening rather quickly for INTEL, allot of new changes all at once?. . . Whats your thoughts then? -- Wayne ][ The reference Intel BTX is a thoroughly flawed thermal design. For details on BTX - see http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1876 Why flawed ? It is CPU-thermal centric. The video card is in the exhaust flow from the CPU. Much, much worse than ATX. Unfortunately, the next gen GPU chips are likely to have more transistors than the CPUs and may be on a process-step one generation back from the CPUs. End result, the GPU is very likely to dissipate far MORE heat than the processor !!! Anyway, what do you expect from an Intel, strong in processors, weak in graphics ? I expect people with more holistic sense in the PC industry will come up with a design with better thermal trade-off between CPU and GPU, and not a bunch of band-aids and unnecessary fans and air-ducts on BTX. An opportunity for the AMD camp ?? John Lewis |
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I see it, Wayne. Calm down. Fact is, I didn't jump on the ATX wagon when
it first came out and I won't jump on this new wagon right away either. I also won't loose sleep that I'm not on that wagon. -- Thomas Geery Network+ certified ftp://geerynet.d2g.com ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror ----- Cable modem IP This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!... over 120,000 FTP users served! ^^^^^^^ "Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... "TomG" wrote one problem for sure... if you decide to wait on something new, there will *always* be something new! you will always be waiting! I have a fried who kept waiting for the "new" stuff and after a couple of years without a PC, he says "damn! I keep waiting but it never stops!" He finally went out an bought current state of the art and is very happy. Hi, when was the last time you had your Case *form-factor* changed? (4 years ago maybe?) when was the last time you had your PSU *form-factor* changed? (2 years ago maybe?) when was the last time you had your Graphics Card *form-factor* changed?(4 years ago maybe?) when was the last time you had your Memory *form-factor* changed?(4 years ago maybe?) when was the last time you had your PCI/Expansion Cards *form-factor* changed?(4 years ago maybe?) Please try and understand my posts before you give a *blanket* response people, what is happening here is *Exceptional* don't you see? when ever in your life have you ever seen something like this before? never. . .thought so! I know about the waiting game, but this time it is different, very different but you don't see it. -- Wayne ][ |
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and that is a *good* thing?
-- Thomas Geery Network+ certified ftp://geerynet.d2g.com ftp://68.98.180.8 Abit Mirror ----- Cable modem IP This IP is dynamic so it *could* change!... over 120,000 FTP users served! ^^^^^^^ "Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... "Ed" wrote If you stick with AMD I'd bet an ATX setup today would be good for another 5 years, I just don't see AMD switching to the BTX layout anytime soon, unless ATX disappears overnight and they have no other choice. Hi, interesting point, What we may be seeing now is INTEL breaking away *totally*. What I mean by that is if you choose *INTEL Inside* then all your components will only work on an INTEL system. That means that not one single component from your INTEL system will work with AMD? (hmm apart from Hard-disks, and USB2.0 devices). Whereas today only the CPU is bound, you can swap memory and graphics cards between AMD & INTEL systems, not for long, you must choose! You see where this is going if AMD stick to ATX. . . -- Wayne ][ |
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Wayne Youngman wrote:
I know about the waiting game, but this time it is different, very different but you don't see it. We've all seen a lot of promised technological innovation never materialize, or make a significant effect on the market. It is especially difficult to get excited when the prophet of futuretech is a hastily written editorial which uncritically accepts corporate "forecasts" under the misbegotten premise that corporations, rather than consumers, control the success of products in an open market. Enkidu |
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"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message ... "Ed" wrote If you stick with AMD I'd bet an ATX setup today would be good for another 5 years, I just don't see AMD switching to the BTX layout anytime soon, unless ATX disappears overnight and they have no other choice. Hi, interesting point, What we may be seeing now is INTEL breaking away *totally*. What I mean by that is if you choose *INTEL Inside* then all your components will only work on an INTEL system. That means that not one single component from your INTEL system will work with AMD? (hmm apart from Hard-disks, and USB2.0 devices). Whereas today only the CPU is bound, you can swap memory and graphics cards between AMD & INTEL systems, not for long, you must choose! You see where this is going if AMD stick to ATX. . . -- Wayne ][ To pick a "technology" at random g RAMBUS! Pete |
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