FX5200 AGP 3.0 x8 on ASUS P2B mobo, works on 3.3V ok?

Has anyone tried using an FX5200 AGP 3.0 x8 card on an ASUS P2B
motherboard (rev 1.1 or something like that) which is only AGP 1.0, x2,
3.3V? In particular, an MSI FX5200-T128, 64-bit, half height, passively
cooled card (one of an apparently endless number of minor variants of
FX5200 MSI has, judging from their tech support section).

All the info on the web/usenet indicates it should work fine, and the
universal AGP connector of the card (keyed for both 3.3V and 1.5/0.8V)
further affirms this.

But... I asked MSI's tech support and they say "no". I assume their
tech drones are either not very knowledgeable or they have no "official
endorsement" for such usage (although I can't think of reason for them
to do that).

I stuck one in a p3v4x worked fine but that is newer than the p2b.

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Has anyone tried using an FX5200 AGP 3.0 x8 card on an ASUS P2B
motherboard (rev 1.1 or something like that) which is only AGP 1.0, x2,
3.3V? In particular, an MSI FX5200-T128, 64-bit, half height, passively
cooled card (one of an apparently endless number of minor variants of
FX5200 MSI has, judging from their tech support section).

All the info on the web/usenet indicates it should work fine, and the
universal AGP connector of the card (keyed for both 3.3V and 1.5/0.8V)
further affirms this.

But... I asked MSI's tech support and they say "no". I assume their
tech drones are either not very knowledgeable or they have no "official
endorsement" for such usage (although I can't think of reason for them
to do that).

BigJim wrote:
I stuck one in a p3v4x worked fine but that is newer than the p2b.

Yes, newer and AGP 2.0.

The old "AGP 1.0" standard of your motherboard may be the problem why a
modern video card will not work.

--
DaveW

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ups.com...
Has anyone tried using an FX5200 AGP 3.0 x8 card on an ASUS P2B
motherboard (rev 1.1 or something like that) which is only AGP 1.0, x2,
3.3V? In particular, an MSI FX5200-T128, 64-bit, half height, passively
cooled card (one of an apparently endless number of minor variants of
FX5200 MSI has, judging from their tech support section).

All the info on the web/usenet indicates it should work fine, and the
universal AGP connector of the card (keyed for both 3.3V and 1.5/0.8V)
further affirms this.

But... I asked MSI's tech support and they say "no". I assume their
tech drones are either not very knowledgeable or they have no "official
endorsement" for such usage (although I can't think of reason for them
to do that).

DaveW wrote:
The old "AGP 1.0" standard of your motherboard may be the problem why a
modern video card will not work.

Of course that *might* be the problem (I haven't tried it yet), that's
exactly what I'm asking.

The thing is, everything on the web and Usenet indicates it should work
fine (although not MSI, but then again, tech support people tend to be
pretty misguided and non-helpful).

I just want to verify it's ok and not try something that might harmful.

Ehud Shapira wrote:
DaveW wrote:
The old "AGP 1.0" standard of your motherboard may be the problem why a
modern video card will not work.

Of course that *might* be the problem (I haven't tried it yet), that's
exactly what I'm asking.

The thing is, everything on the web and Usenet indicates it should work
fine (although not MSI, but then again, tech support people tend to be
pretty misguided and non-helpful).

I just want to verify it's ok and not try something that might harmful.


I just tested it for you. I plugged an MSI FX5200 into my P2B-S
motherboard (440BX based) and it works fine. I booted into Knoppix
and it worked OK. This is not as strong an endorsement as running
it with a Windows OS, but I didn't want to have to install any
drivers, and booting my Knoppix 5.1 CD is great for fast tests.

I also tested an ATI 9800Pro, a card with universal keying on the
edge card, and I got the "three beep" code, which means the BIOS
was not able to see the card. If there is one weakness about my
setup, it is that the AGP slot and video cards, don't fit together
as well as they should. The card that fits the best, is my Geforce3
TI200, and that is the card I used when I was tightening up the
motherboard screws.

So it looks to me like your FX5200 purchase should be OK.

HTH,
Paul

Thanks Paul.

Can you tell me the exact model or describe the MSI card? (Just to be
extra sure...

The 9800 would not work, but 9700 and 9500 should (according to info I
bumped into while looking around).

And after my recent conversation (of sorts) with MSI, as always, I'm
amazed by the lousiness companies have for technical support. There are
exceptions, but that's what they are, exceptions. :-/

Ehud Shapira wrote:
Thanks Paul.

Can you tell me the exact model or describe the MSI card? (Just to be
extra sure...

The 9800 would not work, but 9700 and 9500 should (according to info I
bumped into while looking around).

And after my recent conversation (of sorts) with MSI, as always, I'm
amazed by the lousiness companies have for technical support. There are
exceptions, but that's what they are, exceptions. :-/

I own two FX5200 cards.

The MSI one is FX5200-TD128 (602-8930-040 model number).

The EVGA one is 128-A8-N304-LX.

Both cards tested OK on the P2B-S (Knoppix boot test).

HTH,
Paul

wrote:

Has anyone tried using an FX5200 AGP 3.0 x8 card on an ASUS P2B
motherboard (rev 1.1 or something like that) which is only AGP 1.0,
x2, 3.3V? In particular, an MSI FX5200-T128, 64-bit, half height,
passively cooled card (one of an apparently endless number of minor
variants of FX5200 MSI has, judging from their tech support section).

All the info on the web/usenet indicates it should work fine, and the
universal AGP connector of the card (keyed for both 3.3V and 1.5/0.8V)
further affirms this.

But... I asked MSI's tech support and they say "no". I assume their
tech drones are either not very knowledgeable or they have no
"official endorsement" for such usage (although I can't think of
reason for them to do that).



Hi!



when it have two notches and it fits without decent force into the P2B
AGP Slot, then it should work satisfying.
With a max. of, 2xAGP and Sideband Addressing enabled, of course. No
Fast Writeand no 4x or 8x AGP. (The difference between 2x and 1x is
moot, between 2x and 4x even more. 8x makes just troubles IMO for that
1-3%....Fast-Writes?? well...)



Good Luck!




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: Why not a Quadra PNY Decent-4chip GeForce??? ... they have 3.3V
notch as well. A must for the mighty BX chipset, IMHO . I go well
with the decent 10bit-DAC Matrox Parhelia 512bit, a wonderful 2D Card
and not so slow with 3D Stuff (~GF4ti)

Thanks all for the info.

I'll try the card and report back the results for the sake of future
generations.

The card's an MSI FX5200-T128 8936-290, BTW.

Daniel Mandic wrote:
when it have two notches and it fits without decent force...

Yeah, I mentioned it's keyed for 3.3V as well. The problem is that some
companies abuse the specs (like Paul's 9800 Pro). It is unfortunate
that they can release AGP hardware that doesn't follow the specs.

Why not a Quadra PNY Decent-4chip GeForce

Doesn't sound like a good general purpose card.

...Matrox Parhelia 512bit, a wonderful 2D Card and not so slow with 3D Stuff

But hardly a de facto standard when it comes to games. I'd rather go
with a Ti4200.