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Hunt around and you will find many ways to link to any wireless camera that
has an IP address, much more secure with a wired connection David "Kim" wrote in message m... "Noël®" wrote in message ... "Kim" wrote in message om... | (Jerry) wrote in message m... | I saw an ad on Google about a second generation IP camera which can | also work like a webcam. Does anyone have any experience with this | type of IP camera? | | I bought four IP cameras from a local security system installer. I | have two at home and two in my shop. I can use my Yahoo Messenger to | show my wife the back room where the supply is while I chat with her. | It works pretty well at home too. I can show my parents in Korea the | baby's room without moving my webcam and my computer to another room. What model / make is the IP cam that you are using with the Yahoo Messenger, and is it only with the Yahoo Messenger that it's working, or will it also work with MSN? Noël I just went to the company's web site. They have a promotion going on for $99. I paid $199 to my installer who hardly did anything except drill a few holes. I will see if I can get my money back. The guy did not even pull Ethernet cable. He just plug it in a little box on the outlet and then I can see video on my PC. He told me it's more secure then the wireless IP camera. I am not sure if I trust him. |
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Kim wrote:
"Noël®" wrote in message ... "Kim" wrote in message .... I just went to the company's web site. They have a promotion going on for $99. I paid $199 to my installer who hardly did anything except drill a few holes. I will see if I can get my money back. So someone came to your house to bring the device, made sure it was set up and running right, to your satisfaction and charged more than you can get it for by mail order on a discount day. The guy did not even pull Ethernet cable. He just plug it in a little box on the outlet and then I can see video on my PC. He told me it's more secure then the wireless IP camera. I am not sure if I trust him. If a stranger could get access to your camera(s) and could watch them, would you be uncomfortable? The ONE place I'm happy with a wireless camera is one of the roof, but you can get that through a website. Another one is serving a duck's nest to several hundred people from pennsylvania. If it's wireless, I *presume* someone in line of site is also on that network. I IPSEC from laptop into the wired net through a firewall. I've built firewalls for 12 years; mine are on par with ones at large trading firms. (I've *implemented* them at large trading firms, so...) I'd noted a friend who saw someone getting DHCP (fine) and battering at his firewall. He got out his PDA being a sniffer and found a kid in his dad's car a little bit down the street trying to hack in. Scared teh crap out of him when he knocked on the windows (6'3" ex army Ranger). Is teaching him programming, rather than cracking. |
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"David Gerard" wrote in message . ..
Hunt around and you will find many ways to link to any wireless camera that has an IP address, much more secure with a wired connection David "Kim" wrote in message m... "Noël®" wrote in message ... "Kim" wrote in message om... | (Jerry) wrote in message m... | I saw an ad on Google about a second generation IP camera which can | also work like a webcam. Does anyone have any experience with this | type of IP camera? | | I bought four IP cameras from a local security system installer. I | have two at home and two in my shop. I can use my Yahoo Messenger to | show my wife the back room where the supply is while I chat with her. | It works pretty well at home too. I can show my parents in Korea the | baby's room without moving my webcam and my computer to another room. What model / make is the IP cam that you are using with the Yahoo Messenger, and is it only with the Yahoo Messenger that it's working, or will it also work with MSN? Noël I just went to the company's web site. They have a promotion going on for $99. I paid $199 to my installer who hardly did anything except drill a few holes. I will see if I can get my money back. The guy did not even pull Ethernet cable. He just plug it in a little box on the outlet and then I can see video on my PC. He told me it's more secure then the wireless IP camera. I am not sure if I trust him. This is why the system that I have is so neat. There is no Ethernet wiring and it's not wireless Ethernet. I do not have to worry about the wirless network security problem. |
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The guy did not even pull Ethernet cable. He just plug it in a little
box on the outlet and then I can see video on my PC. He told me it's more secure then the wireless IP camera. I am not sure if I trust him. This is why the system that I have is so neat. There is no Ethernet wiring and it's not wireless Ethernet. I do not have to worry about the wirless network security problem. If he plugged a little box into the outlet for computer connectivity all your neighbors can do the same and not even realize they just put you on the internet for the world to see. Wi-fi has/is better security,,, at least then its just stolen into one computer. Wifi really is pretty safe stuff unless someone with know-how has reason to want in. With all the states doing legislation now to make it criminal to electronicly trespass its becomming very dangerious for the theif - you better have something worthy of making me rich if I'm gonna be jumping into your wifi network. Few intruders are being made examples of lately by new state and even city laws thanks to politics and fear... won't be long and little joe hoennies parents get handcuffed and fined out the snazoo as examples. It'll end up a federal crime, could get a new wanna be elected official lots of extra votes as so many people are scared of their lack of knowledge of wifi like some here. Some people are scarred funny. |
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Wi-fi has/is better security,,, at least then its just stolen into one
computer. Wifi really is pretty safe stuff unless someone with know-how has reason to want in. wifi is not wifi. WEP is pretty easy to crack--most script kiddies can do it. WPA is tougher, but still crackable. 802.11i will be much better. But will these cameras have the horsepower to do it? I doubt it. Wire for me. BJE |
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"bumtracks" wrote in message ...
The guy did not even pull Ethernet cable. He just plug it in a little box on the outlet and then I can see video on my PC. He told me it's more secure then the wireless IP camera. I am not sure if I trust him. This is why the system that I have is so neat. There is no Ethernet wiring and it's not wireless Ethernet. I do not have to worry about the wirless network security problem. If he plugged a little box into the outlet for computer connectivity all your neighbors can do the same and not even realize they just put you on the internet for the world to see. Wi-fi has/is better security,,, at least then its just stolen into one computer. Wifi really is pretty safe stuff unless someone with know-how has reason to want in. With all the states doing legislation now to make it criminal to electronicly trespass its becomming very dangerious for the theif - you better have something worthy of making me rich if I'm gonna be jumping into your wifi network. Few intruders are being made examples of lately by new state and even city laws thanks to politics and fear... won't be long and little joe hoennies parents get handcuffed and fined out the snazoo as examples. It'll end up a federal crime, could get a new wanna be elected official lots of extra votes as so many people are scared of their lack of knowledge of wifi like some here. Some people are scarred funny. I tested the box Kim talked about. The TLC IP Camera has an option for networking through powerline. It uses DES encryption. Unless you have the code, you will not be able to see the camera. The security is supposedly better than the wireless network. But the real problem it solved for me is the wireless dead spot problem. There are certain rooms in my house which does not get good wireless signal. I have no problems connecting to the TLC IP Camera through the powerline. The only thing that you need to be careful is that you should not plug that into a power strip with surge filter. It will filter out the signal. A little soap box on wireless. The problem that I have with wireless is that it has known security bugs in the encryption algorithm. There are too many public domain tools that my neighbor's kid can download. According to a study using these tools, it takes on average of 16 hours to crack a home wireless network with encryption. It only takes on average of 2 hours to crack a company's wireless network. I am afraid that my neighbor's high school kid will download the tool and watch my wireless home video the next day. This is the reason why I returned my D-link and Linksys wireless IP cameras. |
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you know,,, i get along with the neighbors,, if the kids want to watch one
or more of the wifi cams here be it by hack or by ask -- ahh,,, im not sure i would promote it but dont think I'd seriously mind... i have nothing to hide anytime of the day and at night the cheapo cams dont do night worth a darn anyhow... if they enjoy seeing me move into the shower or something they've got more of a problem than I. Probably would be free added security if i were to give them address and login/password to the exterior cams. Any Joe Schmo that parks his car for more than a few moments around here already will have a cop tapping on his window in no time. No security cams needed with bold alert neighbors. |
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bumtracks wrote:
you know,,, i get along with the neighbors,, if the kids want to watch one or more of the wifi cams here be it by hack or by ask -- ahh,,, im not sure i would promote it but dont think I'd seriously mind... i have nothing to hide anytime of the day and at night the cheapo cams dont do night worth a darn anyhow... if they enjoy seeing me move into the shower or something they've got more of a problem than I. Probably would be free added security if i were to give them address and login/password to the exterior cams. Any Joe Schmo that parks his car for more than a few moments around here already will have a cop tapping on his window in no time. No security cams needed with bold alert neighbors. Right. Because I need to be near you. And you're confident enough about the ever present police to leave your keys in your door? No? Me? I can have attitude. As I arrived early to pick up a friend, I parked and the police tapped on my window (in sometime). Asked me if I "needed help." No thanks. "What are you doing?" Listening to the radio. Bottom line, I'm legal and parked. The laws for sitting in a car with a laptop are NIL. The laws for running a radio receiver (gather packets) are NIL. Or I don't have to be near you. I live on a hill. With a directional antenna (made with a can and about $5 of misc hardware craps plus a $20 plug I had), I can "see" (enough to gather packets) about 15 networks. I know, from experience, that I can can leave a laptop or PDA to gather data, take that data and break that later. In the background. No effort at all. Once I have the key, THEN I can get near. Oh, but in driving down for dinner a couple nights ago, I just left the laptop on. We passed 35 WAPs. 13 of them were secured. I can bet that most of them had default admin passwords. Certain ones have backdoors on them. But the bottom line is that 1) WEP is deeply flawed. It was developed without public peer review and fell almost immediately after it was made public. 2) If you have things on or attached to your wireless network it is trivial for someone to see that traffic and that machine. 3) You can click your heels together all you want and wish, but this is reality. Presume it and act accordingly. I just have my WAP on a third DMZ network. I expect that someone is looking at the traffic. I don't care. They look at encrypted traffic. Or soon, a camera. That they can see on a website anyway. Or keep clicking your heels. A story: Fedex (UPS?) used to use pushbutton locks on their pickup boxes. They were assured of its security by the company they bought from - "Million of combinations". Common enough lock. Someone did a little math and figured out there were around 1000 combinations. Not millions. Tried to talk to the company and were shutdown. Talked with FedEX but were disbelieved. So they spent 2 hours at a fedex box. Oh, wait. All the fedex boxes are the same. So avoid suspicion. Spend a few minutes at each box. In a couple afternoons, they gave the number to FedEX. Who stopped disbelieving. started threatening. Er, "we told you,but our POINT is that this is *trivial*. And lots of other people have those locks." We had one at work. On an inside door which is fine. Owner wanted one on the front door. I found the magazine article. Someone else found that there were easier ways get a combo. The whole notion was deeply broken and bad security. Denial doesn't fix it. So I can park outside your house, or 1,000 feet away. Or anywhere in line of site. Cops can knock. *It's NOT ILLEGAL*. I can get all teh traffic I need in an hour on a busy net. My PDA will last that long. On my car seat with me gone. I can crack it in a few hours in the background on a machine. Is it "worth it". Well there are plenty of kids and other folks snagging neighbors' network for free bandwidth. Do people WANT to? My experience is YES. Why? I can't say. Want that great feeling when you find your machine is a spamming monster? Or your network was used for more nefarious purposes (trust me, it's a bad feeling). But keep clicking your heels. |
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imagine you are in the security business
All of us learn a lot through our lifetimes. Some preach one thing and admit opposite. That makes sense from a preacher. Click your hills, maybe a little gay sounding but ok,, I'll click mine three times thank you. |
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