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"smh" wrote in message ... . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- (Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?) http://groups.google.com/groups?selm... bubbanews.com http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com ( No Pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the above is a LIBEL ) ( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! ) terry smith wrote: "smh" wrote: terry smith wrote: I can create data cd's ok though. You didn't get buffer underrun with data because you were using packet writer, like DirectCD, which burns in packets or chunks of data, not in continuous stream of data. Are you sure? its a aduio CD which *must*be a continous stream of data by definition? Actually your problem is not buffer underrun. If anything, it's buffer overrun. The laser cannot position to where it's supposed to be because the "shaft" it moves on is dirty or lack of lubrication. Possibley, I do remember oiling the shafts some time ago but I am not sure it was the cdrw. However I am not too convinced by your explanation, what evidence do you have for that? Its not a directed CD, its an audio CD although I can create driected cds for data. You didn't get buffer underrun with data because you were using packet writer, like DirectCD Your problem is the classic symptom of Ricoh MP7040A needing lubrication. Maybe I am a little out of my depth here so forgive me, I have had problems with reading disks recently, which I put down to disks being scratched. No ammount of cleaning improved things ================================ From: dekka Subject: RICOH MP7080A problem recognizing inserted disk Date: 12/4/01 Due to the inadequate lubrication of mechanical parts of the Ricoh 7080 write failures and/or lockups of your computer may occur. Take the unit out of the computer, remove the bezel, the lower cover and the top cover. (in that order) Eject the loading tray by pushing against a plastic lever with a small screwdriver, just below the loading tray, situated at approx. one third from the right hand side. Next you need to remove a metal plate, approx. 5 x 12 cm with a plastic CD hub in the center, by removing 2 small screws. Then, viewing from the front side of the burner, a lead screw is visible on the right hand side of the laser unit as well as two slide bars, one left and one right. The far end of the lead screw has a plastic gear attached. The parts that require lubrication a 1. The lead screw 2. The two slide bars 3. The plastic gear Apply some light grease (from my previous experience with lubing the Ricoh 7040/7060 models I know that industrial vaseline will do the job just fine, but most people appear to prefer using some kind of Teflon lube gel which should be available from Radio Shack) and after reassembling and reinstalling the unit, your Ricoh 7080 may/will perform flawlessly again. Thanks very much for that, I did take a drive apart before to clean the lens and I though the 'slider' was a bit sticky so I oiled it as litte with bog standard lubricating oil. I smoke a bit my self and it gets every where, including I assume into the cd drive. I have had problems with the cd not recognising disks but I assumed it was due to scratches, it is usually ok on new unscratched disks though (I think). I have partiallly defragged my main drive so I will give it another go. The defrag takes ages, and tend to get slower and slower so I had to abort it for today, the last 15% will take as long as the first 85%. BAck to the disks, some disks work but other don't so I think it is probabaly caused mainly by scratches. Mine is a Freecom drive by the way, but thanks very much for your input as it is much appreciated.!!!!! =============================== |
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Just a quick update.
I tried with by partially defragged drive but same old error. Then I tried removing my other CDROM drive as I am slightly concerned about my power supply being adaquate for too drives (only 90 watts and I have two hard drives) Anyway I tried again, and just to complicate matters I tried writing at X4 as oppesed to X2 (the lowest setting on adaptec software) anyway, it wrote the first two of 3 tracks OK!!! however halfway through the third track it ejected the disk and gave an error (no disk in drive (what a surprise!!)). The disk is not a total coaster and will not even format as a data disk but at least I have made some progress. Unfortunately I am unsure whether removeing the other drive or increasing the write speed gave the improvement. I will try some more experiments later (back to X2 or replacing the other drive). Another point is that the first file was quite short, the second a bit bigger and the third bigger still (2meg 4meg 5 meg). So I made some progress but I am not too sure why, maybe it was a a lucky disk!!! ( the previous 10 all failed at the same point with the same error message). It is slightly costly in terms of disks (20p each) but I can reuse most as data disks (I think/hope, as most formateed as data, apart from the last one which had quite a bit of data written to it). Some progress anyway, and I will post any futher test results. |
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Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- terry smith wrote: "smh" wrote... terry smith wrote: I can create data cd's ok though. You didn't get buffer underrun with data because you were using packet writer, like DirectCD, which burns in packets or chunks of data, not in continuous stream of data. Are you sure? its a aduio CD which *must*be a continous stream of data by definition? Actually your problem is not buffer underrun. If anything, it's buffer overrun. The laser cannot position to where it's supposed to be because the "shaft" it moves on is dirty or lack of lubrication. Possibley, I do remember oiling the shafts some time ago but I am not sure it was the cdrw. However I am not too convinced by your explanation, what evidence do you have for that? Another symptom you might have noticed is that the burner makes a lot of "seeking" noise, and the burn speed goes way down. Time how long it takes to burn, say, 10M. Its not a directed CD, its an audio CD although I can create driected cds for data. You didn't get buffer underrun with data because you were using packet writer, like DirectCD Your problem is the classic symptom of Ricoh MP7040A needing lubrication. Maybe I am a little out of my depth here so forgive me, I have had problems with reading disks recently, which I put down to disks being scratched. No ammount of cleaning improved things Noticed a lot of "seeking" noise? ================================ From: dekka Subject: RICOH MP7080A problem recognizing inserted disk Due to the inadequate lubrication of mechanical parts of the Ricoh 7080 write failures and/or lockups of your computer may occur. ================================ Thanks very much for that, I did take a drive apart before to clean the lens and I though the 'slider' was a bit sticky so I oiled it as litte with bog standard lubricating oil. If you go thru the trouble, use Radio Shack Cat# 64-2301A, Archer Precision Lubricator w/ Teflon. I smoke a bit my self and it gets every where, including I assume into the cd drive. I have had problems with the cd not recognising disks but I assumed it was due to scratches, it is usually ok on new unscratched disks though (I think). I have partiallly defragged my main drive so I will give it another go. The defrag takes ages, and tend to get slower and slower so I had to abort it for today, the last 15% will take as long as the first 85%. Don't use Windows Defrag utility. Use something like Norton SpeedDisk or O&O Defrag. BAck to the disks, some disks work but other don't so I think it is probabaly caused mainly by scratches. Mine is a Freecom drive by the way, but thanks very much for your input as it is much appreciated.!!!!! You are welcome. (Have you considered getting a DVD drive?) |
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Some confusion here - you say you an 're-use the discs'. This suggests they
are RW discs, which are unsuitable for audio as most players will not see them. You cannot 're-use' CDR discs. Then there's the speed issue. What drive is this and what media are you using? Old hardware will not be compatible with current high speed media and trying to write high speed media even slower is a recipe for failure. RW discs are the worst of all worlds. Try this with compatible CDR media and see how you get on, but from your descriptions you are trying to force old hardware to places it doesn't want to go. -- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: Just a quick update. I tried with by partially defragged drive but same old error. Then I tried removing my other CDROM drive as I am slightly concerned about my power supply being adaquate for too drives (only 90 watts and I have two hard drives) Anyway I tried again, and just to complicate matters I tried writing at X4 as oppesed to X2 (the lowest setting on adaptec software) anyway, it wrote the first two of 3 tracks OK!!! however halfway through the third track it ejected the disk and gave an error (no disk in drive (what a surprise!!)). The disk is not a total coaster and will not even format as a data disk but at least I have made some progress. Unfortunately I am unsure whether removeing the other drive or increasing the write speed gave the improvement. I will try some more experiments later (back to X2 or replacing the other drive). Another point is that the first file was quite short, the second a bit bigger and the third bigger still (2meg 4meg 5 meg). So I made some progress but I am not too sure why, maybe it was a a lucky disk!!! ( the previous 10 all failed at the same point with the same error message). It is slightly costly in terms of disks (20p each) but I can reuse most as data disks (I think/hope, as most formateed as data, apart from the last one which had quite a bit of data written to it). Some progress anyway, and I will post any futher test results. |
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"Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... Some confusion here - you say you an 're-use the discs'. I used a new CDR disk although I can usually format an audio disk which failed early as a data disk if i format it. This suggests they are RW discs, no which are unsuitable for audio as most players will not see them. You cannot 're-use' CDR discs. Then there's the speed issue. What drive is this and what media are you using? Old hardware will not be compatible with current high speed media and trying to write high speed media even slower is a recipe for failure. RW discs are the worst of all worlds. Try this with compatible CDR media and see how you get on, but from your descriptions you are trying to force old hardware to places it doesn't want to go. I had enough problem with disks of the same era. They work ok for data anyway. -- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: Just a quick update. I tried with by partially defragged drive but same old error. Then I tried removing my other CDROM drive as I am slightly concerned about my power supply being adaquate for too drives (only 90 watts and I have two hard drives) Anyway I tried again, and just to complicate matters I tried writing at X4 as oppesed to X2 (the lowest setting on adaptec software) anyway, it wrote the first two of 3 tracks OK!!! however halfway through the third track it ejected the disk and gave an error (no disk in drive (what a surprise!!)). The disk is not a total coaster and will not even format as a data disk but at least I have made some progress. Unfortunately I am unsure whether removeing the other drive or increasing the write speed gave the improvement. I will try some more experiments later (back to X2 or replacing the other drive). Another point is that the first file was quite short, the second a bit bigger and the third bigger still (2meg 4meg 5 meg). So I made some progress but I am not too sure why, maybe it was a a lucky disk!!! ( the previous 10 all failed at the same point with the same error message). It is slightly costly in terms of disks (20p each) but I can reuse most as data disks (I think/hope, as most formateed as data, apart from the last one which had quite a bit of data written to it). Some progress anyway, and I will post any futher test results. |
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"smh" wrote in message ... . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- terry smith wrote: "smh" wrote... terry smith wrote: I can create data cd's ok though. You didn't get buffer underrun with data because you were using packet writer, like DirectCD, which burns in packets or chunks of data, not in continuous stream of data. Are you sure? its a aduio CD which *must*be a continous stream of data by definition? Actually your problem is not buffer underrun. If anything, it's buffer overrun. The laser cannot position to where it's supposed to be because the "shaft" it moves on is dirty or lack of lubrication. Possibley, I do remember oiling the shafts some time ago but I am not sure it was the cdrw. However I am not too convinced by your explanation, what evidence do you have for that? Another symptom you might have noticed is that the burner makes a lot of "seeking" noise, and the burn speed goes way down. Time how long it takes to burn, say, 10M. Its not a directed CD, its an audio CD although I can create driected cds for data. You didn't get buffer underrun with data because you were using packet writer, like DirectCD Your problem is the classic symptom of Ricoh MP7040A needing lubrication. Maybe I am a little out of my depth here so forgive me, I have had problems with reading disks recently, which I put down to disks being scratched. No ammount of cleaning improved things Noticed a lot of "seeking" noise? Yes when it is tring to read an unreadable disk, it is also ofthe difficult to eject the disk and I often am forced to reboot either to get the disk out and/or because the computer locks up. ================================ From: dekka Subject: RICOH MP7080A problem recognizing inserted disk Due to the inadequate lubrication of mechanical parts of the Ricoh 7080 write failures and/or lockups of your computer may occur. ================================ Thanks very much for that, I did take a drive apart before to clean the lens and I though the 'slider' was a bit sticky so I oiled it as litte with bog standard lubricating oil. If you go thru the trouble, use Radio Shack Cat# 64-2301A, Archer Precision Lubricator w/ Teflon. I smoke a bit my self and it gets every where, including I assume into the cd drive. I have had problems with the cd not recognising disks but I assumed it was due to scratches, it is usually ok on new unscratched disks though (I think). I have partiallly defragged my main drive so I will give it another go. The defrag takes ages, and tend to get slower and slower so I had to abort it for today, the last 15% will take as long as the first 85%. Don't use Windows Defrag utility. Use something like Norton SpeedDisk or O&O Defrag. Well its done over night now anyway, but i wlil in future. BAck to the disks, some disks work but other don't so I think it is probabaly caused mainly by scratches. Mine is a Freecom drive by the way, but thanks very much for your input as it is much appreciated.!!!!! You are welcome. (Have you considered getting a DVD drive?) |
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"Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... Some confusion here - you say you an 're-use the discs'. This suggests they are RW discs, which are unsuitable for audio as most players will not see them. You cannot 're-use' CDR discs. Then there's the speed issue. What drive is this and what media are you using? Old hardware will not be compatible with current high speed media and trying to write high speed media even slower is a recipe for failure. I don't really buy that arguement, when I bought the disks it didn't say "these disks don't work" or "You will need to spend £500 on a new computer to use these disks" They are CR recordable disks and I have a CD writer, end of story. RW discs are the worst of all worlds. Try this with compatible CDR media and see how you get on, but from your descriptions you are trying to force old hardware to places it doesn't want to go. -- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: Just a quick update. I tried with by partially defragged drive but same old error. Then I tried removing my other CDROM drive as I am slightly concerned about my power supply being adaquate for too drives (only 90 watts and I have two hard drives) Anyway I tried again, and just to complicate matters I tried writing at X4 as oppesed to X2 (the lowest setting on adaptec software) anyway, it wrote the first two of 3 tracks OK!!! however halfway through the third track it ejected the disk and gave an error (no disk in drive (what a surprise!!)). The disk is not a total coaster and will not even format as a data disk but at least I have made some progress. Unfortunately I am unsure whether removeing the other drive or increasing the write speed gave the improvement. I will try some more experiments later (back to X2 or replacing the other drive). Another point is that the first file was quite short, the second a bit bigger and the third bigger still (2meg 4meg 5 meg). So I made some progress but I am not too sure why, maybe it was a a lucky disk!!! ( the previous 10 all failed at the same point with the same error message). It is slightly costly in terms of disks (20p each) but I can reuse most as data disks (I think/hope, as most formateed as data, apart from the last one which had quite a bit of data written to it). Some progress anyway, and I will post any futher test results. |
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So your argument is that when you go to the garage to fill your car with
fuel it won't matter whether you put in petrol or diesel, because they are both fuel and you have a car? You don't stop and think that the fuel may not be suitable? Technology has moved on. If, as appears to be the case, you have old hardware designed to burn at a slow speed and probably without the benefit of buffer underrun protection, then you are going to be hard pressed to find media that will work with that hardware, because the current media is intended for drives that write at much faster speeds. The materials used to work at these faster speeds is incompatible with low speed old hardware. If they are able to be written at all, the error count will be so high as to make the results worthless. There is one avenue that you might explore. Discs flagged as 'audio' discs (they cost a little more for reasons unconnected with the quality of the media) are intended to be used with standalone writers which work at 1x record speed. Such discs are therefore required to maintain that compatibility. On the other hand it may just be time to pension off that old gear if you want to burn discs. Despite your negative comments in many of the threads in the CDR groups audio CDR production is a technology that works surprisingly well considering CD players were never intended to work with such discs. I personally have produced hundreds and never made a coaster that wasn't my fault. So end of story its isn't - only the beginning! -- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... Some confusion here - you say you an 're-use the discs'. This suggests they are RW discs, which are unsuitable for audio as most players will not see them. You cannot 're-use' CDR discs. Then there's the speed issue. What drive is this and what media are you using? Old hardware will not be compatible with current high speed media and trying to write high speed media even slower is a recipe for failure. I don't really buy that arguement, when I bought the disks it didn't say "these disks don't work" or "You will need to spend £500 on a new computer to use these disks" They are CR recordable disks and I have a CD writer, end of story. RW discs are the worst of all worlds. Try this with compatible CDR media and see how you get on, but from your descriptions you are trying to force old hardware to places it doesn't want to go. -- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: Just a quick update. I tried with by partially defragged drive but same old error. Then I tried removing my other CDROM drive as I am slightly concerned about my power supply being adaquate for too drives (only 90 watts and I have two hard drives) Anyway I tried again, and just to complicate matters I tried writing at X4 as oppesed to X2 (the lowest setting on adaptec software) anyway, it wrote the first two of 3 tracks OK!!! however halfway through the third track it ejected the disk and gave an error (no disk in drive (what a surprise!!)). The disk is not a total coaster and will not even format as a data disk but at least I have made some progress. Unfortunately I am unsure whether removeing the other drive or increasing the write speed gave the improvement. I will try some more experiments later (back to X2 or replacing the other drive). Another point is that the first file was quite short, the second a bit bigger and the third bigger still (2meg 4meg 5 meg). So I made some progress but I am not too sure why, maybe it was a a lucky disk!!! ( the previous 10 all failed at the same point with the same error message). It is slightly costly in terms of disks (20p each) but I can reuse most as data disks (I think/hope, as most formateed as data, apart from the last one which had quite a bit of data written to it). Some progress anyway, and I will post any futher test results. |
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"Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... So your argument is that when you go to the garage to fill your car with fuel it won't matter whether you put in petrol or diesel, because they are both fuel and you have a car? You don't stop and think that the fuel may not be suitable? I think you will find the fuel is actually labled on the tank what I do not find is that petrol from one petrol station works and petrol from another station works, neither work, or one fill up in ten work. Your analogy is incorrect, I am not trying to write DVD with my CDRW for instance. Technology has moved on. yoo mean backwards. ..If, as appears to be the case, you have old hardware designed to burn at a slow speed and probably without the benefit of buffer underrun protection, then you are going to be hard pressed to find media that will work with that hardware, because the current media is intended for drives that write at much faster speeds. Sorry doesn't add up, the CD are not labled high speed they are labled CDR i have a cdr burmer, end of story. An old car will run fine in modern leaded petrol, they have not became obsolete. Also my PC is faster, it will run all old programs though. The materials used to work at these faster speeds is incompatible with low speed old hardware. If they are able to be written at all, the error count will be so high as to make the results worthless. The diskswork fine as data disks. Explain that, and they are being written at higher speeds than my audio efforts Also most people burners are several years old. There is one avenue that you might explore. Discs flagged as 'audio' discs (they cost a little more for reasons unconnected with the quality of the media) are intended to be used with standalone writers which work at 1x record speed. Such discs are therefore required to maintain that compatibility. Another £10 down the drain? On the other hand it may just be time to pension off that old gear if you want to burn discs. Despite your negative comments in many of the threads in the CDR groups audio CDR production is a technology that works surprisingly well considering CD players were never intended to work with such discs. I personally have produced hundreds and never made a coaster that wasn't my fault. The threads are full of storys of people creating coasters with a myriad of problems, plain for all to see. So end of story its isn't - only the beginning! I am going to more away cds and dvd in favour of unscrachable technology, so its chip or hard drive for me. The CD DVD player is dead, scratch it. -- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... Some confusion here - you say you an 're-use the discs'. This suggests they are RW discs, which are unsuitable for audio as most players will not see them. You cannot 're-use' CDR discs. Then there's the speed issue. What drive is this and what media are you using? Old hardware will not be compatible with current high speed media and trying to write high speed media even slower is a recipe for failure. I don't really buy that arguement, when I bought the disks it didn't say "these disks don't work" or "You will need to spend £500 on a new computer to use these disks" They are CR recordable disks and I have a CD writer, end of story. RW discs are the worst of all worlds. Try this with compatible CDR media and see how you get on, but from your descriptions you are trying to force old hardware to places it doesn't want to go. -- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: Just a quick update. I tried with by partially defragged drive but same old error. Then I tried removing my other CDROM drive as I am slightly concerned about my power supply being adaquate for too drives (only 90 watts and I have two hard drives) Anyway I tried again, and just to complicate matters I tried writing at X4 as oppesed to X2 (the lowest setting on adaptec software) anyway, it wrote the first two of 3 tracks OK!!! however halfway through the third track it ejected the disk and gave an error (no disk in drive (what a surprise!!)). The disk is not a total coaster and will not even format as a data disk but at least I have made some progress. Unfortunately I am unsure whether removeing the other drive or increasing the write speed gave the improvement. I will try some more experiments later (back to X2 or replacing the other drive). Another point is that the first file was quite short, the second a bit bigger and the third bigger still (2meg 4meg 5 meg). So I made some progress but I am not too sure why, maybe it was a a lucky disk!!! ( the previous 10 all failed at the same point with the same error message). It is slightly costly in terms of disks (20p each) but I can reuse most as data disks (I think/hope, as most formateed as data, apart from the last one which had quite a bit of data written to it). Some progress anyway, and I will post any futher test results. |
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If you want to delude yourself then feel free.
-- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... So your argument is that when you go to the garage to fill your car with fuel it won't matter whether you put in petrol or diesel, because they are both fuel and you have a car? You don't stop and think that the fuel may not be suitable? I think you will find the fuel is actually labled on the tank what I do not find is that petrol from one petrol station works and petrol from another station works, neither work, or one fill up in ten work. Your analogy is incorrect, I am not trying to write DVD with my CDRW for instance. Technology has moved on. yoo mean backwards. ..If, as appears to be the case, you have old hardware designed to burn at a slow speed and probably without the benefit of buffer underrun protection, then you are going to be hard pressed to find media that will work with that hardware, because the current media is intended for drives that write at much faster speeds. Sorry doesn't add up, the CD are not labled high speed they are labled CDR i have a cdr burmer, end of story. An old car will run fine in modern leaded petrol, they have not became obsolete. Also my PC is faster, it will run all old programs though. The materials used to work at these faster speeds is incompatible with low speed old hardware. If they are able to be written at all, the error count will be so high as to make the results worthless. The diskswork fine as data disks. Explain that, and they are being written at higher speeds than my audio efforts Also most people burners are several years old. There is one avenue that you might explore. Discs flagged as 'audio' discs (they cost a little more for reasons unconnected with the quality of the media) are intended to be used with standalone writers which work at 1x record speed. Such discs are therefore required to maintain that compatibility. Another £10 down the drain? On the other hand it may just be time to pension off that old gear if you want to burn discs. Despite your negative comments in many of the threads in the CDR groups audio CDR production is a technology that works surprisingly well considering CD players were never intended to work with such discs. I personally have produced hundreds and never made a coaster that wasn't my fault. The threads are full of storys of people creating coasters with a myriad of problems, plain for all to see. So end of story its isn't - only the beginning! I am going to more away cds and dvd in favour of unscrachable technology, so its chip or hard drive for me. The CD DVD player is dead, scratch it. -- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: "Graham Mayor" wrote in message ... Some confusion here - you say you an 're-use the discs'. This suggests they are RW discs, which are unsuitable for audio as most players will not see them. You cannot 're-use' CDR discs. Then there's the speed issue. What drive is this and what media are you using? Old hardware will not be compatible with current high speed media and trying to write high speed media even slower is a recipe for failure. I don't really buy that arguement, when I bought the disks it didn't say "these disks don't work" or "You will need to spend £500 on a new computer to use these disks" They are CR recordable disks and I have a CD writer, end of story. RW discs are the worst of all worlds. Try this with compatible CDR media and see how you get on, but from your descriptions you are trying to force old hardware to places it doesn't want to go. -- Graham Mayor terry smith wrote: Just a quick update. I tried with by partially defragged drive but same old error. Then I tried removing my other CDROM drive as I am slightly concerned about my power supply being adaquate for too drives (only 90 watts and I have two hard drives) Anyway I tried again, and just to complicate matters I tried writing at X4 as oppesed to X2 (the lowest setting on adaptec software) anyway, it wrote the first two of 3 tracks OK!!! however halfway through the third track it ejected the disk and gave an error (no disk in drive (what a surprise!!)). The disk is not a total coaster and will not even format as a data disk but at least I have made some progress. Unfortunately I am unsure whether removeing the other drive or increasing the write speed gave the improvement. I will try some more experiments later (back to X2 or replacing the other drive). Another point is that the first file was quite short, the second a bit bigger and the third bigger still (2meg 4meg 5 meg). So I made some progress but I am not too sure why, maybe it was a a lucky disk!!! ( the previous 10 all failed at the same point with the same error message). It is slightly costly in terms of disks (20p each) but I can reuse most as data disks (I think/hope, as most formateed as data, apart from the last one which had quite a bit of data written to it). Some progress anyway, and I will post any futher test results. |
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