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  #51  
Old November 4th 03, 01:55 AM
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Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

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http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Now that you know about CD-Extra, Enhanced CD and Mixed-Mode, what do
you think of this? Do you recognize a poppycock?

======================
From: Mike Richter (Lying Scum)
Subject: Easy CD Creator makes CD-Extra disc with no track titles
Date: 10/6/01

Videoman wrote:
Mike Richter (King Troll) wrote:
Videoman wrote:
Mike Richter (Lying Scum) wrote:



Is there any way to make a CD-Extra disc and get the track information
on it?

If you want to do a true CD Extra, you have to comply with the rules for
CD Extra - which means TAO and no titles. ECDC and anything else which
complies with the standard will comply with the standard. I know that's
hard to accept, but try - real hard.

Are you implying that CD Extra can only be done TAO? How come the
newer Nero versions can do a DAO copy of a CD-Extra title? At the very
least, one should be able to burn a CD-Extra disc using two sessions
burning SAO. I don't know if most burner firmware will support CD-Text
buring using SAO.


CD Extra uses a single session with audio track(s) followed by a data
track. If there are two sessions, it is an "Enhanced CD". I know of no
way to write SAO and leave the session open. As I say frequently, I
don't know Nero.


I thought that part of the point of CD Extra, as well as "Enhanced CD"
(whatever that means), was that they could be played in both an audio
CD playback device, as well as a CD-ROM player. That would *require*
two sessions, with only the first (audio) session seen by the audio CD
player, and the last (data) seen by the CD-ROM drive. I know of many
audio CD players that refuse to play a disc containing data tracks in
the same session as the audio data.


It turns out that it requires separate tracks, not separate sessions. I
was under the same impression (for CD Extra and for Mixed Mode) until a
post in one of the newsgroups made me track down the specs. I may still
be wrong - obviously, not the first time - but that's the way I read the
specification.

Are you sure you aren't confusing mixed-mode with CD-Extra?


Nope. Or, yes I'm sure that I'm not mixing mixed-mode (data track first)
with CD-Extra (data track last).
======================

The above is supposed to be the fruit of Mikey's so-called research:

======================
From: Mike Richter (Lying Scum)
Subject: Mixed Modes - and similar
Date: 5/30/01

After doing the research, I have prepared a page on the combination
modes and posted it in the primer at my site. Though one expert has
reviewed it, I look forward to comments from anyone with experience.
======================

----------------------------
Mikey, you are a Slimy Scum!
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  #52  
Old November 4th 03, 09:10 PM
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Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

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http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Is this only a rant, not libel?

=============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (i)
=============================================

================================================== =========
From: smh
Subject: Does anyone rely on DirectCD for multi-session backups?
Date: 2/7/02

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) wrote:

... I would appreciate an indication of the background as to
why you consider that the *format* of fixed-length packets is not
reliable, discounting any merits or demerits implicit in any specific
software that uses fixed-length packets in a random access (on-demand)
manner.


There are several reasons, but one predominates. When you remove a
fixed-length packet disc after having written anything to it, the
directory information is written back from RAM. That means that at least
portions of the disc are "scrubbed" - rewritten many times. The disc is
supposed to tolerate 1000 cycles, but in fact read accuracy goes down
continuously with erase cycles and the 1000 number seems absurdly
optimistic from the experience of most.


[ Why does DirectCD use *SPARING* technique? Why the bother, Mikey? ]

http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

"In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc."

Mike Richter, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
================================================== =========

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Mikey, you are a Lying Scum!
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  #53  
Old November 4th 03, 09:11 PM
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smh wrote:

Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

======================================
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
======================================

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Is this only a rant, not libel?

=============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (i)
=============================================

================================================== =========
From: smh
Subject: Does anyone rely on DirectCD for multi-session backups?
Date: 2/7/02

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) wrote:

... I would appreciate an indication of the background as to
why you consider that the *format* of fixed-length packets is not
reliable, discounting any merits or demerits implicit in any specific
software that uses fixed-length packets in a random access (on-demand)
manner.


There are several reasons, but one predominates. When you remove a
fixed-length packet disc after having written anything to it, the
directory information is written back from RAM. That means that at least
portions of the disc are "scrubbed" - rewritten many times. The disc is
supposed to tolerate 1000 cycles, but in fact read accuracy goes down
continuously with erase cycles and the 1000 number seems absurdly
optimistic from the experience of most.


[ Why does DirectCD use *SPARING* technique? Why the bother, Mikey? ]

http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

"In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc."

Mike Richter, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above?
================================================== =========


The above Mikey's slimy cockamamie is to weasel out the DirectCD
problems caused by these DirectCD bugs:

-----------------------
DirectCD 3.05
Fixes

For some recorders, it was possible to select recording speeds
that were not in fact supported.

Some older, low-speed recorders cannot correctly write high-speed
rated CD-RW media, but DirectCD would formerly allow you to try.

DirectCD now checks the media and
will reject as appropriate. === FIXED ???

DirectCD 5.3.4
Fixed:

Burn to Ultra High Speed media on non-Ultra High Speed Drives,
no longer allowed === FIX a FIX ???
-----------------------
  #54  
Old November 5th 03, 10:00 AM
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Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
======================================

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Is this only a rant, not libel?

==============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ii)
==============================================

[ Why does DirectCD use SPARING technique? Why the bother, Mikey? ]

================================================== ==============
From: smh
Subject: CD-RWs and DirectCD - computer crashed and rebooted.
Date: 6/26/02

Mike Richter (Lying Scum) wrote:

Erasables are good for only a limited number of cycles. Although that's
nominally 1000, experience says that it's much less. Regardless, there's
a tendency (despite publishers' efforts to reduce it) for the directory
to be "scrubbed" by repeated use and effective life is reduced still
further.


DirectCD for Windows Technical FAQs
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/dcdwin/dcdwinfaqs.html

" In practical terms, you will probably
never wear out a CD-RW disc. "

[ Mikey, should you not have cRoxio rewrite the above? ]
================================================== ==============

The above Mikey's slimy cockamamie is to weasel out the DirectCD
problems caused by the following and other DirectCD bugs:

=======================
DirectCD 3.05
Fixes

For some recorders, it was possible to select recording speeds
that were not in fact supported.

Some older, low-speed recorders cannot correctly write high-speed
rated CD-RW media, but DirectCD would formerly allow you to try.

DirectCD now checks the media and
will reject as appropriate. === FIXED ???

DirectCD 5.3.4
Fixed:

Burn to Ultra High Speed media on non-Ultra High Speed Drives,
no longer allowed === FIX a FIX ???
=======================

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)
  #55  
Old November 5th 03, 09:51 PM
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Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

======================================
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
======================================

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Is this only a rant, not libel?

==========================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(i)
==========================================

==============================
From: DeepOne
Subject: CD-RW Disc broken on DirectCD
Date: 7/9/00

Mike Richter (Lying Scum) wrote (7/3/00):

When you load a fixed-length packet disc, the directory information
is read from the disc and translated in RAM. When you write to the
disc, the data are recorded immediately but the directory is updated
only in RAM. When you eject the disc or shut down Windows properly,
the directory information is transformed and written back to the disc.
Therefore, from the time you change something in the (RAM) directory
until that writeback, you can lose the directory if you have a
failure. That failure can be a power transient or a system lockup or
even forcing the disc to eject (in spite of the lock) using hardware.


I don't believe this is true with the latest versions of DirectCD (I'm
using 2.5d with Win98SE).

I've watched the disc write lights on my Plextor drives when ejecting a
DirectCD CD-RW disc, and the drive never does any writing at that time.

Once, in an attempt to prove this, I wrote a bunch of files to a
DirectCD CD-RW disc. As soon as the write pulses ceased,

I pressed the computer's RESET button.

After the computer restarted, the CD-RW disc was fine, and all the files
I had just written were fully accessible.
==============================

( Mikey will be blaming the above bad-practice-manual-eject for the bugs
of DirectCD --repeatedly-- despite the above post by DeepOne. )

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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)
  #56  
Old November 5th 03, 09:52 PM
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Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

======================================
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
======================================

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Is this only a rant, not libel?

===========================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(ii)
===========================================

=================================
From: (Videoman)
Subject: What is Responsible for Packet Writing Instability?
Date: 6/28/01

Mike Richter (Lying Scum) wrote:

There is an inherent problem in UDF, particularly with fixed-length
packets, which is the source of most of the problems reported. It is
that the directory information for the disc is held and modified in
RAM between loading the disc and ejecting it. Anything which precludes
a complete, valid package being written back risks the whole disc.


In other words, lack of true transactional semantics during the
crucial data transfer and filesystem update to the disc, creates the
highly non-zero possibility of severe data loss. It's not a question
of if, only a question of when. The more you use it, the worse your
odds become.

Because the information must be read and organized at insertion,
loading a complex disc is slow. Reading and writing are slow and
complex because the packets are *not* contiguous. If you stack up
writes and have concurrent file activity, there's a real chance that
the Windows filesystem will balk and fail to complete the write.
Again, a more complex disc and insufficient RAM increase the odds of
failure in my experience.


It's not the windows filesystem, it's the packet-writing software.

The most common cause of failure is the directory not being written
back correctly. That can happen on a system crash or power glitch;
a forced manual ejection; or simply a fault in the write of the
directory. Once a bad directory is written, not much can be done to
recover files. DCD 5 Scandisc, ISOBuster and CD-R Diagnostic are all
able to do something toward retrieving data from such a disc.


Of course, if the software was written _correctly_, none of this would
be an issue.

Most of the above is independent of the program used. In any case, if
compression is used, it increases the odds of failure and reduces the
chance of recovery - and usually doesn't improve storage
significantly. DCD has gradually decreased sensitivity to the
filesystem problems, but they're still there if you write a lot of
files concurrently. Again, that's essentially a Windows file
management issue.


The problems are all DCD's. Don't start to blame Windows for this one,
Mike.

I've used tape-as-a-removable-disk software, that _did_ implement
transactional semantics, and I never had the types of problems that
DirectCD exhibits. It's simply a matter that Roxio doesn't have a clue
how to code reliable software, in which a customer's precious data is
on the line.

Does the critical Windows hard-disk FAT16/FAT32 filesystem store the
entire FAT into RAM at startup, and only write out the changes again
at shutdown? NO! It updates it immediately, when there is a disk
update, to minimize the crucial window where data could be lost.

If the penalty for updating this often is too high (as it often is for
CD-RW media, both for speed and longevity reasons), then the proper
thing to do would be to maintain a write-buffer on the HD, with some
sort of logging filesystem, so that if there were an error on the disc
media, that the data could be easily recovered, and the entire disc
wouldn't be corrupted. I hope the new Mt. Rainier specification
addresses this problem, and buggy POS software like DirectCD becomes
the way of the past.
=================================

[No response from Mikey, but IT would go on spewing the above
cockamamie.]

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)
  #57  
Old November 6th 03, 07:39 AM
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Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

======================================
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
======================================

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Is this only a rant, not libel?

============================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iii)
============================================

================================================== ====
From: smh
Subject: Request for assistance regarding DirectCD and Windows 98
Date: 4/13/03

Mike Richter (Lying Scum) wrote:

Somehow, reading and then ejecting the DirectCD disk makes a regular
CD-ROM disk appear blank to the file system. Re-booting (or
crashing Windows Explorer) fixes the problem.


Did you eject the UDF disc with software? Even though the recent
versions of DCD should handle manual eject, I don't trust it.


[ How did the supposedly lost directory by manual eject
miraculously appear after reboot? ]

Blame on manual eject for the bugs of DirectCD, Mikey?
Is DirectCD 2.5d a recent version, Mikey?

------------------------------------------
From: DeepOne
Subject: CD-RW Disc broken on DirectCD
Date: 7/9/00

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) wrote:

When you load a fixed-length packet disc, the directory information
is read from the disc and translated in RAM. When you write to the
disc, the data are recorded immediately but the directory is updated
only in RAM. When you eject the disc or shut down Windows properly,
the directory information is transformed and written back to the disc.
Therefore, from the time you change something in the (RAM) directory
until that writeback, you can lose the directory if you have a
failure. That failure can be a power transient or a system lockup or
even forcing the disc to eject (in spite of the lock) using hardware.


I don't believe this is true with the latest versions of DirectCD (I'm
using 2.5d with Win98SE).

I've watched the disc write lights on my Plextor drives when ejecting a
DirectCD CD-RW disc, and the drive never does any writing at that time.

Once, in an attempt to prove this, I wrote a bunch of files to a
DirectCD CD-RW disc. As soon as the write pulses ceased,

I pressed the computer's RESET button.

After the computer restarted, the CD-RW disc was fine, and all the files
I had just written were fully accessible.
------------------------------------------
================================================== ====

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)
  #58  
Old November 6th 03, 10:05 PM
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Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

======================================
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
======================================

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Is this only a rant, not libel?

===========================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iv)
===========================================

=====================
From: Mike Richter (Slimy Scum)
Subject: UDF, Packet Writing, and Backups
Date: 4/27/01

In fact, the overwhelming majority of the complaints about any UDF
software are about the format, but the format is seen through the
software which gets the blame. Thus: "the software lost my data"
becomes "my data were lost when Windows crashed".

That's because the directory information for fixed-length packets
is held in RAM.
=====================

Imagine the "format" specifies that the directory information is to be
held in RAM!

Sure, Mikey:

==========================================
From: DeepOne
Subject: CD-RW Disc broken on DirectCD
Date: 7/9/00

Mike Richter (Lying Scum) wrote:

When you load a fixed-length packet disc, the directory information
is read from the disc and translated in RAM. When you write to the
disc, the data are recorded immediately but the directory is updated
only in RAM. When you eject the disc or shut down Windows properly,
the directory information is transformed and written back to the disc.
Therefore, from the time you change something in the (RAM) directory
until that writeback, you can lose the directory if you have a
failure. That failure can be a power transient or a system lockup or
even forcing the disc to eject (in spite of the lock) using hardware.


I don't believe this is true with the latest versions of DirectCD (I'm
using 2.5d with Win98SE).

I've watched the disc write lights on my Plextor drives when ejecting a
DirectCD CD-RW disc, and the drive never does any writing at that time.

Once, in an attempt to prove this, I wrote a bunch of files to a
DirectCD CD-RW disc. As soon as the write pulses ceased,

I pressed the computer's RESET button.

After the computer restarted, the CD-RW disc was fine, and all the files
I had just written were fully accessible.
==========================================

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)
  #59  
Old November 7th 03, 08:36 AM
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Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

======================================
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
======================================
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Is this only a rant, not libel?

==========================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(v)
==========================================

=====================
From: Mike Richter (Lying Scum)
Subject: DirectCD 3.05 blues...
Date: 12/19/01

I'm using Win 2K sp2 and ESCD 4.04 / DirectCD 3.05

About every third time I write to the Pioneer CD-RW drive
via DirectCD I get a message saying there's been an
unrecoverable error. If I try to access the CD drive,
it hangs the OS.


If you're writing fixed-length packets (to an erasable),
you may have discovered as most others have that
the format is very fragile and unreliable.

Note that you must eject such a disc with software,
not force it out with the button on the drive.
=====================

Why then do the problems occur at THIRD time? Why not at SECOND time?

(BTW, does DirectCD count the number of eject button pushes?)

If manual eject is a no-no, how about the computer's RESET button,
Mikey?

===========================================
From: DeepOne
Subject: CD-RW Disc broken on DirectCD
Date: 7/9/00

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) wrote:

When you load a fixed-length packet disc, the directory information
is read from the disc and translated in RAM. When you write to the
disc, the data are recorded immediately but the directory is updated
only in RAM. When you eject the disc or shut down Windows properly,
the directory information is transformed and written back to the disc.
Therefore, from the time you change something in the (RAM) directory
until that writeback, you can lose the directory if you have a
failure. That failure can be a power transient or a system lockup or
even forcing the disc to eject (in spite of the lock) using hardware.


I don't believe this is true with the latest versions of DirectCD (I'm
using 2.5d with Win98SE).

I've watched the disc write lights on my Plextor drives when ejecting a
DirectCD CD-RW disc, and the drive never does any writing at that time.

Once, in an attempt to prove this, I wrote a bunch of files to a
DirectCD CD-RW disc. As soon as the write pulses ceased,

I pressed the computer's RESET button.

After the computer restarted, the CD-RW disc was fine, and all the files
I had just written were fully accessible.
===========================================

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)
  #60  
Old November 8th 03, 07:17 AM
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Jerry W Barrington wrote:

smh wrote:

======================================
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
======================================
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...mindspring.com
(Messages 10, 12 -- 34, 54 -- 69)

a lot of rant snipped


Is this only a rant, not libel?

===========================================
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vi)
===========================================

=====================
From: Mike Richter (Lying Scum)
Subject: What is reason for eject button inhibition?
Date: 12/20/01

Why can't I *always* eject a CD from my Lite-On CD-RW drive
by pressing its eject button please? Formatted CDs apparently
require me to use the InCD icon's menu to do this.


a fixed-length packet disc will have its directory written
only when it is ejected.

If you force ejection manually or have a power glitch, you
may lose the directory and with it some or all of your data.

In short, it's for your protection.
=====================

Why then does DirectCD NOT have this "protection"?
Confirming that cRoxio programmers are ****TY ???!!!

How about pressing the computer's RESET button, Mikey?

==========================================
From: DeepOne
Subject: CD-RW Disc broken on DirectCD
Date: 7/9/00

Mike Richter (Slimy Scum) wrote:

When you load a fixed-length packet disc, the directory information
is read from the disc and translated in RAM. When you write to the
disc, the data are recorded immediately but the directory is updated
only in RAM. When you eject the disc or shut down Windows properly,
the directory information is transformed and written back to the disc.
Therefore, from the time you change something in the (RAM) directory
until that writeback, you can lose the directory if you have a
failure. That failure can be a power transient or a system lockup or
even forcing the disc to eject (in spite of the lock) using hardware.


I don't believe this is true with the latest versions of DirectCD (I'm
using 2.5d with Win98SE).

I've watched the disc write lights on my Plextor drives when ejecting a
DirectCD CD-RW disc, and the drive never does any writing at that time.

Once, in an attempt to prove this, I wrote a bunch of files to a
DirectCD CD-RW disc. As soon as the write pulses ceased,

I pressed the computer's RESET button.

After the computer restarted, the CD-RW disc was fine, and all the files
I had just written were fully accessible.
==========================================

--------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)
 




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