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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
Concerning Symantec's Ghost (7.51): Any practical tips to make ghosting more secure and ease when cloning disk to disk? Sizes, partitions, etc. are almost same so formatting target disk before cloning is a (bad) option. No way to name/label them, or must change to some other cloning software? Googled: http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...s v_lvl=&seg= and same tinyed: http://tinyurl.com/l8758 which indicates some kind of dead end or flaw. Jukka |
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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
Concerning Symantec's Ghost (7.51):
Use Ghost 8.3 Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php |
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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
Jukka I Seppänen wrote
Concerning Symantec's Ghost (7.51): Any practical tips to make ghosting more secure and ease when cloning disk to disk? Sizes, partitions, etc. are almost same so formatting target disk before cloning is a (bad) option. No way to name/label them, or must change to some other cloning software? Googled: http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...s v_lvl=&seg= and same tinyed: http://tinyurl.com/l8758 which indicates some kind of dead end or flaw. Use True Image and get quite a bit of extra stuff as well. |
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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
""Jukka I Seppänen"" wrote:
Concerning Symantec's Ghost (7.51): Any practical tips to make ghosting more secure and ease when cloning disk to disk? Sizes, partitions, etc. are almost same so formatting target disk before cloning is a (bad) option. No way to name/label them, or must change to some other cloning software? You don't say what the problem is. In my own periodic archiving of clones, I put folders on the Desktop of the new clone before I start it up that have names that identify the date of cloning and which hard drive they're on and which partition they are in on the archive hard drive. Then, when the clone is started up, I can see from a glance at the Desktop that I have the right clone. This is easy to do with the utility that I use because the entire cloning process is done with Windows running, and when the process is done, I have immediate access to the clone's file structure. That utility is Casper XP, and you can download a free 30-day trial copy from www.FSSdev.com/products/casperxp/ . If you want to keep multiple clones on a large backup hard drive as I do, it's easy if you know the syntax of the boot.ini file. If you want to get into that, Google for my posting on "The meaning of "rdisk()" in January of this year in this NG. What I said about PATA drives applies also to SATA drives except that there is no concern with jumpering. If you get into maintaining multiple clones - all equally bootable - it helps to put hard drive and partition location information into the text string portion of each entry in boot.ini so you know what you're selecting at boot time. *TimDaniels* |
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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
Timothy Daniels wrote
Jukka I Seppänen wrote Concerning Symantec's Ghost (7.51): Any practical tips to make ghosting more secure and ease when cloning disk to disk? Sizes, partitions, etc. are almost same so formatting target disk before cloning is a (bad) option. No way to name/label them, or must change to some other cloning software? You don't say what the problem is. Cloning backwards, getting the source and destination reversed so instead of cloning the drive you want to clone, you clone the destination to what should be the source and you lose everything. In my own periodic archiving of clones, I put folders on the Desktop of the new clone before I start it up that have names that identify the date of cloning and which hard drive they're on and which partition they are in on the archive hard drive. Then, when the clone is started up, I can see from a glance at the Desktop that I have the right clone. This is easy to do with the utility that I use because the entire cloning process is done with Windows running, and when the process is done, I have immediate access to the clone's file structure. That utility is Casper XP, and you can download a free 30-day trial copy from www.FSSdev.com/products/casperxp/ . If you want to keep multiple clones on a large backup hard drive as I do, it's easy if you know the syntax of the boot.ini file. If you want to get into that, Google for my posting on "The meaning of "rdisk()" in January of this year in this NG. No point, it utterly mangled the story. What I said about PATA drives applies also to SATA drives except that there is no concern with jumpering. If you get into maintaining multiple clones - all equally bootable - it helps to put hard drive and partition location information into the text string portion of each entry in boot.ini so you know what you're selecting at boot time. |
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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
"Peter" writes:
Concerning Symantec's Ghost (7.51): Use Ghost 8.3 1.436 MB with floppies, oucht! Thanks anyway, will test. Jukka |
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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
"Timothy Daniels" writes:
""Jukka I Seppänen"" wrote: You don't say what the problem is. ("...windows running..."). Ok, left out some die-hard DOS-habits and some easy to use practises. Goal is to make fast repairs a long away with dummies (more than I am). So when that dreaded total disaster hits (by babies, trucks, etc.) thing can be explained by phone: "Take that HD and connect two (different) cables, check up- and down- positions, plug and go. Don't put HD over anything metal, just sides connect with metal." For a small companies fast turn up times might be critical, theirs customers won't wait days, maybe only one hour max. no matter the reason. Identical 1:1 copies are good, thats why differentiate between new and old is difficult. Yes, those RAID's are too bulky and expensive. Trying just to keep things simple for simple people, anything more complicated is too prone to user errors for people which don't do those things everyday, without hurry, dead tired or any former background. I have immediate access to the clone's file structure. That utility is Casper XP, and you can download a free 30-day trial copy from www.FSSdev.com/products/casperxp/ . Will check that. Thanks. Jukka |
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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
Concerning Symantec's Ghost (7.51):
Use Ghost 8.3 1.436 MB with floppies, oucht! Floppies??? Don't you have CD/DVD-ROM? Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php |
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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
(SNIP & more SNIP)...
Jukka: In addition to the recomendations you've already received, let me add a few thoughts which may prove of some interest to you... Assuming you're dealing in an XP OS environment, I think you should jettison that Ghost 7+ version. There are so many incompatibilities with that version of Ghost with respect to XP that it's simply not a viable tool to use in my view. Assuming that your interest is chiefly, if not exclusively, in straight disk-to-disk cloning with the objective of providing a near-failsafe backup system that's relatively simple to employ and effective in its results, here are my thoughts on the matter... Over the years we've used various versions of the Norton Ghost program to undertake direct disk-to-disk cloning operations. Where the XP OS is concerned we use the Ghost 2003 version. We've found it to be a most effective tool for our purposes (see below) as well as being simple & straightforward to use. I've not been thrilled with either Symantec's later Norton Ghost 9 or their current 10 versions. In comparison with the Ghost 2003 version, I've found both programs awkward to use and unnecessarily complex for my purposes. So let me now make it clear as to my fundamental objective in using a disk imaging program such as the Norton Ghost program... My exclusive interest is to establish a near-failsafe backup system and to do so effectively in a reasonably direct, reasonably simple, and reasonably quick way. I use this type of program for basic disk-to-disk cloning. I'm not interested in incremental, "differential", or scheduled backups, nor am I interested in creating "disk images" on removable media such as CD/DVD. My basic objective is to *directly* clone the contents of my day-to-day working HD to another HD (either internal or external) so that the "destination" drive will be (for all practical purposes) an exact duplicate of the "source" drive and as such, can be used for restoration purposes should the need arise. So if your objectives are the same as mine, read on... Before I provide you (and others who may be interested) with the detailed instructions involved, let me make the following points. 1. This is *not* complicated business. Using the Ghost 2003 program in an XP environment in the manner in which I will set forth is a relatively simple & straightforward process. 2. It (nearly) goes without saying, that in order for the cloning process to be successful, both the source disk (the drive you're cloning from) and the destination disk (the drive you're cloning to) must be non-defective and properly connected/configured in your system. 3. The OS that you're cloning must be free from system files corruption. If you clone garbage, garbage is what you'll get. 4. In using the Ghost 2003 program, our preference is to work with a Ghost 2003 bootable floppy disk (or on occasion a Ghost 2003 bootable CD). We find that media simpler to use in comparison with the Windows-Ghost GUI and we enjoy the portability aspects of using that media. But there's no reason why you can't work within the Windows-Ghost GUI should you prefer to do so. It is *vital* that you work with the latest version of the Ghost 2003 program. That's the Ghost 2003.793 build. Should you have an earlier version of the Ghost 2003 program, you can use Symantec's LiveUpdate feature available in the Ghost program to download & automatically install that latest update. Note that the Ghost 2003 program is included in the Ghost 9 and Ghost 10 retail packages and to the best of my knowledge the included version is the latest (final) version - Ghost 2003.793. Symantec includes the Ghost 2003 program in their later versions indicating that they do so because the 2003 version is designed for previous operating systems, i.e., Win9x/Me. We have found, however, that for basic disk-to-disk cloning, as described in these instructions, the 2003 version works just fine in an XP environment. In our view it's simpler to use and just as effective as the later versions. So, here are step-by-step instructions for using the Ghost 2003 program (using a Ghost 2003 bootable floppy disk or bootable CD) to directly clone the contents of one HD to another HD... (You needn't be unduly concerned with using this DOS-based media with the Ghost 2003 program. There are no complicated or exotic DOS commands that one needs to invoke. As a matter of fact, there are *no* DOS or DOS-like commands to enter. The entire process is simple, straightforward, and quite effective) Creating the bootable Ghost floppy disk: 1. Install the Ghost 2003 program on your computer. As indicated above, make sure you're using the latest "build" - Ghost 2003.793. If not, use Ghost's LiveUpdate feature to automatically download the latest version. It's important that you be using this latest "build". 2. Insert a blank floppy disk (it need not be formatted) and access your Ghost program. 3. Click on Ghost Utilities. 4. Click on Norton Ghost Boot Wizard. 5. Select Standard Ghost Boot Disk. A dialog box will appear. a. Select the USB 2.0 Support option (assuming you have that capability). b. Select the Assign DOS drive letters option and click Next. 6. Select the Use PC-DOS option. 7. Complete the process following the screen prompts. 8. Remove floppy and label accordingly. That's it. Now you have a Ghost bootable floppy disk which you can use time & time again to undertake your present and future cloning operations. Now when you want to clone the contents of one HD to another HD you simply insert the Ghost bootable floppy disk in your floppy drive and boot up with both drives connected. Should you prefer to use a Ghost bootable CD to undertake cloning operations, after creating the Ghost bootable floppy disk, you can create a Ghost bootable CD from it using the Roxio or Nero CD burning programs, or most other CD burning programs that allow you to create a bootable CD. Unfortunately I know of no way to *directly* create this bootable CD from the Ghost program (as you can do, for example, with the Acronis True Image program). Before undertaking the cloning operation ensure that the only storage devices connected are the two HDs that will be involved in the cloning process, i.e., your source and destination disks. Disconnect any flash drives, ZIP drives, etc. Here's how to perform the cloning operation... 1. With both drives connected, boot up with the Ghost bootable floppy (or Ghost bootable CD). You'll get an initial screen that displays "License agreement warning". Right-arrow (or tab) over to the "Continue without marking drives" button and press Enter. 2. The "About Norton Ghost" screen appears. Click OK. 3. Right-arrow twice over to the "To Disk" button and press Enter. 4. The next screen will list both your drives - the Drive 1 (source disk) and Drive 2 (destination disk). MAKE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN Drive 1 IS INDEED YOUR SOURCE DISK, I.E., THE DISK YOU'RE CLONING *FROM*! Drive 1 will be highlighted. Press Enter. 5. The next screen will have Drive 2 (destination disk) highlighted. AGAIN, ENSURE THAT Drive 2 IS YOUR DESTINATION DISK, I.E., THE DISK YOU'RE CLONING *TO*! Press Enter. 6. The next screen is the "Destination Drive Details" window, and reflects your ultimate destination disk, i.e., your current Drive 2. Press your Tab key to highlight the OK button and press Enter. 7. The "Proceed with disk clone?" dialog box will open. Left-arrow over to the Yes button and press Enter. 8. The cloning process will begin. The data transfer speed will vary depending upon the speed of your processor and the HDs involved. On a medium to high-powered system you should get transfer speeds ranging from 800 MB/min nearly 2.0 GB/min should you be cloning internal drives. It will be considerably slower if you're cloning to a USB external HD. 9. After you get the "Clone Completed Successfully" message, left-arrow over to the Continue button and press Enter. 10. Down-arrow to Quit and press Enter. 11. Click Yes at the "Are you sure you want to quit?" message. 12. Remove the Ghost floppy and shut down the computer. 13. Disconnect your source disk and boot up with the cloned drive. In most cases (but not always), a Windows "Found New Hardware" message will appear in the Desktop's Notification Area shortly followed by a "System Settings Change" message window informing you that new hardware has been found and asks "Do you want to restart your computer now?" Click Yes for the reboot. 14. BTW, the reboot of the newly-cloned drive usually takes a longer time than usual, so one must be patient. On rare occasions the system will fail to reboot - the system will hang before reaching the Windows XP Welcome screen. It's a rare occurrence, but you may experience it from time-to-time. If that does occur, simply use the Ctrl-Alt-Delete keys to reboot. Assuming you've cloned the contents of your working drive to your second internal drive, that second drive will be bootable (after disconnecting your primary one, of course) as indicated above. You also have the option of cloning your working drive to a USB external hard drive. In that case the USB EHD is *not* bootable (at least we haven't been able to boot the XP OS from a USB EHD although we're aware of a number of reports purporting that this is possible), but you could clone the contents back to your internal drive for restoration purposes should the need arise. Just one other point I wish to emphasize with respect to the cloning operation involving internal drives. Immediately following the cloning operation and the shutdown of your machine, disconnect your source drive and boot ONLY to the newly-cloned drive (as indicated in step 13. above). DO NOT BOOT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLONING OPERATION WITH BOTH DRIVES CONNECTED. Doing so is likely to cause future boot problems with the cloned drive. Obviously there is no problem in this area should a USB EHD be involved in the cloning process since that device is not bootable in an XP environment. I trust the preceding will be of use to you and others who might be thinking about using the Ghost 2003 program for a routine backup system. Let me add that there are other disk imaging programs that can do the job, such as Acronis True Image. Our limited experience with that program has been quite positive. I know one of your responders, Tim Daniels, is a fan of the Casper XP program so you might try that program as well. Anna |
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Ghost: How to differentiate between drives when cloning?
""Jukka I Seppänen"" wrote:
Goal is to make fast repairs a long away with dummies (more than I am). So when that dreaded total disaster hits (by babies, trucks, etc.) thing can be explained by phone: "Take that HD and connect two (different) cables, check up- and down- positions, plug and go. Don't put HD over anything metal, just sides connect with metal." For a small companies fast turn up times might be critical, theirs customers won't wait days, maybe only one hour max. no matter the reason. Identical 1:1 copies are good, thats why differentiate between new and old is difficult. Anna has had good luck with providing systems to her customers that have removable hard drive racks installed. These are sometimes called "drive caddies" or "mobile racks" or "removable trays" or other similar names. It requires use of a spare 5 1/5" bay, and the racks are made in versions for parallel and serial ATA hard drives. With such a rack installed, switching from the normal internal hard drive to a hard drive in a removable hard drive tray involves merely sliding shutting down the computer, sliding in the tray containing the removable hard drive, turning the power switch for the removable tray to "ON", and then starting up the computer. If the removable hard drive is already in the rack, all one needs to do is to shut down the computer, switch on the removable hard drive's power switch, and start up the computer again. There are many makers of such removable trays, but the brand that I have been using for about 3 years is Kingwin. Their "mobile racks" for PATA drives are described he http://www.kingwin.com/pdut_Cat.asp?CateID=25 . The same thing for SATA drives are described he http://www.kingwin.com/pdut_Cat.asp?CateID=47 . For PATA drives, I like the model that has the cooling fan in the bottom of the removable tray. It works well in drawing air in the front, then down and around the drive, then straight out the back toward the PC's power supply: http://www.kingwin.com/pdut_detail.a...teID=25&ID=136 . This model comes in black as well as beige. Athena also has some models (model nos. ending with "ATN") with a bottom fan: http://www.athenapower.com/ . If you have a jack available for an eSATA cable, you can use an external enclosure with an eSATA jack for a SATA hard drive and not have to use up a 5 1/2" expansion bay on the computer. If the computer doesn't have an eSATA jack available, there are adapters on the market which fit on the back of the computer. Here is a place that sells such hardwa http://www.firewire-1394.com/externa...-solutions.htm . There are also a slowly growing number of makers of external enclosures that have eSATA connectors, but you'll have to Google for them as I still live in the PATA world. *TimDaniels* |
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