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I make this post in curiosity. My computer is getting a bit aged. But
still going Now a reasonable motherboard with a 32 bit processor, what would a reasonable one go for? For those that keep up on this. I bought a motherboard once and put it in a case. I fired it up and it was dead immediately. I forgot to put spacers between the board and case. So it fried. What I got on ebay was a motherboard and a package of scews spacers and "stuff" no instructions. Bill |
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On 2/5/2017 3:01 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I make this post in curiosity. My computer is getting a bit aged. But still going Now a reasonable motherboard with a 32 bit processor, what would a reasonable one go for? For those that keep up on this. I bought a motherboard once and put it in a case. I fired it up and it was dead immediately. I forgot to put spacers between the board and case. So it fried. What I got on ebay was a motherboard and a package of scews spacers and "stuff" no instructions. Bill Do you _really_ want a 32-bit CPU? If so, why? I think that the only semi-modern 32-bit mainstream processor would be something like an Intel Atom; otherwise you'd be going back to one of the early Pentium chips. Advice: forget the 32-bit and buy a packaged motherboard/memory/CPU solution from someone who knows what they are doing. I'd suspect that a motherboard with i3 and cooling with 8gB could be found for $300 although I haven't done any detailed searching. Oh, and be careful about mounting and connections... |
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
I make this post in curiosity. My computer is getting a bit aged. But still going Now a reasonable motherboard with a 32 bit processor, what would a reasonable one go for? For those that keep up on this. I bought a motherboard once and put it in a case. I fired it up and it was dead immediately. I forgot to put spacers between the board and case. So it fried. What I got on ebay was a motherboard and a package of scews spacers and "stuff" no instructions. Bill You can go to a local computer store and ask "do you build custom computers from scratch" ? And they can help you. My very first PC, I was working at the time, and didn't have time to mess around. My buddy at work, told me about a computer store that built a PC for him, and the build portion costs $100. So for $100 over parts cost, they took care of *everything*. The machine booted into the version of Windows at the time, and everything just worked. I could not find a detail that was missed. The company provided the motherboard box, software CDs, left over parts (the bag of screws, the 5.25" bay sliders for hard drives, and so on). They didn't keep stuff for themselves, like some scumbags do. So they can take care, to make sure there are no shorts, no mistakes, while doing assembly. The store I visited, at the time, was standing room only. You lined up to place your order. The store is gone now - bankrupt. Because it carried around $1 million in inventory, and a key customer (the government) stopped buying there. The business died instantly. The computer store I used, had a "short list" of motherboards. These are motherboards that have demonstrated they worked well. So automatically, you avoided any questionable materials. That motherboard still works today - I booted it a couple months ago. OS support is part of the complicated picture of what to buy. Windows 7 and Windows 8, still have some life left in their lifespan, but Microsoft is not going to be "helpful" with things like Kaby Lake. The computer will still compute, but it might not save as many watts as it could if it had the right OS support. To me, this is noise, but could be a factor in your selection. These are random CPUs I spotted on the Newegg page today, in chronological order. LGA1155 Launch Date Q1'11, 32nm, orig ??? now $228 This one is refurbished. i5-2500 4 Core, No Hyperthreading Power converter still on motherboard. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16819117626 http://ark.intel.com/products/52209/...up-to-3_70-GHz LGA1150 Launch Date Q2'13, 22nm, orig $242 now $268 Haswell - power converter FIVR circuit, is inside CPU. 4 Core, No Hyperthreading https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16819116899 http://ark.intel.com/products/75048/...up-to-3_80-GHz LGA1151 Skylake Launch Date Q3'15, 14nm, $340 Power converter back on motherboard. 4 Core, 8 Thread (Hyperthreading, slight boost over 4 core) CPU base can be "bent" by your cooler choice. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16819117559 http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/...up-to-4_20-GHz LGA1151 Kaby Lake Launch Date Q1'17, 14nm, $350 Power converter back on motherboard. 4 Core, 8 Thread (Hyperthreading, slight boost over 4 core) CPU base probably still bendable (as socket not changed) Kaby has quicker EIST state changes (not supported on Win7) https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16819117726 http://ark.intel.com/products/97129/...up-to-4_50-GHz They would all be supported on Windows 10. Now, let's have a bake-off. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/ (also http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html chart) i5-2500 $228 Passmark= 6243 SingleThread= 1871 3.3GHz 4C/4T 6MB cache i5-4670K $268 Passmark= 7603 SingleThread= 2195 3.4GHz 4C/4T 6MB cache i7-6700K $340 Passmark= 11109 SingleThread= 2349 4.0GHz 4C/8T 8MB cache i7-7700K $350 Passmark= 12263 SingleThread= 2592 4.2GHz 4C/8T 8MB cache You can see that HyperThreading inflates the first metric. In normal everyday usage, a SingleThread benchmark is more indicative. We don't know in this case, what was used. I use SuperPI for single thread checks, with a large base size, to reduce the impact of L3 as my metric. There were likely to have been 4C/8T processors in the older products, but they've disappeared from the market, and so this contest isn't "a level playing field". I'm just showing what kind of stock is sitting around at the moment. The one at 4.2GHz, probably overclocks to around 4.5GHz. The letter "K" means they can be overclocked using multipliers only. But the headroom, percentage-wise, may not be the same on all families. The 4670K LGA1150 might fit into a board like this. The Z97 has native USB3. You have to download the user manual for each motherboard, to make sure it has the interfaces you need. And verify the USB3 ports don't come from an add-on chip you don't happen to like (eTron drivers). MSI Gaming Z97 GAMING 5 LGA 1150 $151 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA1N83UN2408 Info on Z97 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1150 The later boards, for the more recent Skylake or Kaby Lake, may use Z170 or Z270 chipsets, with XHCI-only USB3 ports. This can cause problems for Windows 7 installer booting up, unless there is a BIOS hack for "faking" EHCI in the BIOS. Not all of the CPUs come with heatsinks. The overclockable ones probably don't have a cooler in the box. You'd need to buy a cooler separately for those. You don't buy this stuff in a heartbeat - it takes time to digest lots and lots of tiny details. ******* Ryzen is coming soon from AMD. Stay tuned. If you waited for it, you'd get "whatever broken-ness comes with a bleeding edge product". And I don't know if any pricing has been announced, to see how AMD plans to price. In the past, the prices were set by "pseudo-benchmark". You could see, from a certain performance metric point of view, how the AMD was priced. Not every buyer would appreciate the nuances there (i.e. people look at the numbers and can't figure out how the price is, what it is). But if you pretend to be an AMD marketing person, and sit in their seat, there is a kind of logic to how it works. There is definitely *not* a relationship between square inches of silicon, and what you're paying. You pay a lot extra for clock rate, even if no more silicon is used. I didn't set out to select a product for you. You didn't say what you wanted. So this is merely an exposure to the complexity. All the 64bit processors, have a mixed mode for supporting 32bit. I can still install Win10 32 bit on my gear here, if I want to. I even have the DVD image to do it. I have around 100GB of Win10 images now (because I collect them from the Insider program). They're getting to be a nuisance. There is no announcement yet, of "pure" 64 bit processors. If they appeared, they'd likely fall on their faces. And when you ask your 32 bit question, I see a lurking idea you're going to run a really old OS on this. Buy yourself a newer OS, OK ? Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM $140 sale https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16832416804 The license you get, works with both 32 bit and 64 bit DVDs. You can download the "other" DVD if it isn't in the box. I keep both 32 bit and 64 bit images here. This is why you want Pro. If you stick 4x8GB memory in your new system, the OS needs a big enough memory license to use it all. You don't particularly need that much RAM, and 2x8GB is "dimensionally" suited to modern hardware and badly designed OSes. Part of the reason for this, is 4KB entries in the page tables, and a lot of TLB misses. Remember that certain parts of CPU design, haven't changed in 18 years. But the amount of RAM, just keeps zooming up and up. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx Version Limit on X86 Limit on X64 Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB 16 GB Windows 7 Professional 4 GB 192 GB --- Windows 8 Enterprise 4 GB 512 GB Windows 8 Professional 4 GB 512 GB Windows 8 4 GB 128 GB Paul |
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On 2/5/2017 2:01 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I make this post in curiosity. My computer is getting a bit aged. But still going Now a reasonable motherboard with a 32 bit processor, what would a reasonable one go for? For those that keep up on this. I bought a motherboard once and put it in a case. I fired it up and it was dead immediately. I forgot to put spacers between the board and case. So it fried. What I got on ebay was a motherboard and a package of scews spacers and "stuff" no instructions. Bill Just buy something inexpensive like these, easily found in most cities, and don't look back. Problem solved. http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/5936331878.html http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/sys/5982309528.html |
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"John McGaw" wrote in message ... Do you _really_ want a 32-bit CPU? If so, why? I think that the only semi-modern 32-bit mainstream processor would be something like an Intel Atom; otherwise you'd be going back to one of the early Pentium chips. Advice: forget the 32-bit and buy a packaged motherboard/memory/CPU solution from someone who knows what they are doing. I'd suspect that a motherboard with i3 and cooling with 8gB could be found for $300 although I haven't done any detailed searching. Oh, and be careful about mounting and connections... Well I don't see where my 64 bit processor is better than a 32 bit one. Maybe 32 bit s disappearing. Bill |
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"." wrote in message news On 2/5/2017 2:01 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote: I make this post in curiosity. My computer is getting a bit aged. But still going Now a reasonable motherboard with a 32 bit processor, what would a reasonable one go for? For those that keep up on this. I bought a motherboard once and put it in a case. I fired it up and it was dead immediately. I forgot to put spacers between the board and case. So it fried. What I got on ebay was a motherboard and a package of scews spacers and "stuff" no instructions. Bill Just buy something inexpensive like these, easily found in most cities, and don't look back. Problem solved. http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/5936331878.html http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/sys/5982309528.html That looks more like it. |
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