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Old August 11th 07, 05:31 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000
Barry Watzman
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I worked up the installation of XP on the Gateway MT6711. It took about
2 days to locate everything, overcome the issues and test the solution
(there are about a dozen software pieces, and a USB floppy is required
for the "F6 Disk" needed to get the XP installer to recognize the SATA
drive).

I've done this (completely and correctly install an OS not supported by
the mfgr., so that EVERYTHING works and there are no "splats" in device
manager) several times. It is WAY beyond the ability of most end users
to find test and install all of the "right" drivers.

[PS - if anyone wants the MT6711 installation, I sell it on CD for $8.50
(includes shipping). You need a copy of XP, of course, and, as
mentioned, a USB floppy compatible with the Gateway MT6711 (almost all
are; Computer Geeks has one for $8.50, although I have not tested that
particular one with the MT6711.]


swalker wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 05:58:11 -0500, "Kevin Childers"
wrote:

Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers) are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary on
the current state of VISTA?



I was talking to one of the geeks down at Best Buy today and he said
they now offer, for a fee, to load XP on machines that came with
Vista.

When I ask why people didn't just load it themselves he said that XP
drivers are readily available for machines made for Vista.

That sounded a little self-serving to me but who knows..

  #12  
Old August 11th 07, 07:27 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell
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On 8 Aug, 11:58, "Kevin Childers" wrote:
Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers) are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary on
the current state of VISTA?



My company laptop dual boots XP and Windows 2000 - because a lot of
the industrial software (Loader-monitors for older PLCs, diagnostic
tools for DC and AC drives) does not yet run on XP. 2000 is still
more reliable than XP, of course.

I would not be surprised if a lot of mission-critical software does
not run under vista, despite the Beta being available to developers
for half an ice age. They are not stupid. They knew that Vista SP1
would be radically different from the Beta they were being offered to
develop with.

  #13  
Old August 11th 07, 10:52 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell
S.Lewis
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"Barry Watzman" wrote in message
...
It's worth noting that while Hank's comments are entirely correct, they do
not reflect on Vista but rather on the nature of ANY new operating system.
XP was the same way.


snip

I don't remember the distaste for XP as being nearly this pronounced. Yes,
there were issues. But in context, consumers were pretty accepting of XP as
most were eager to leave WinMe. Very eager.

Corporates were either living with NT4 or 5 (Win2K, and some still are) and
were in no rush to migrate.

I don't think many people would argue about the stability and improvement of
WinXP Home over WinMe.

The excitement for Vista has been underwhelming, imo.


Stew




  #14  
Old August 11th 07, 10:53 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell
Robert E. Watts
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Hello

I doubt you guys realize this, but you are cross posting on a newsgroup that
has absolutely no interest in your topic.

Please delete alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell from your messages.

Thank you.

bobwatts


"Kevin Childers" wrote in message
news
Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers)
are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of
makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary on
the current state of VISTA?




  #15  
Old August 11th 07, 10:53 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell
Hank Arnold (MVP)
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Absolutely correct....
--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

Barry Watzman wrote:
It's worth noting that while Hank's comments are entirely correct, they
do not reflect on Vista but rather on the nature of ANY new operating
system. XP was the same way.

Hank Arnold (MVP) wrote:
Kevin Childers wrote:
Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his
coworkers) are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort
of makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales
staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative
commentary on
the current state of VISTA?



It's a reflection of the fact that most corporate networks are very
reluctant to migrate to Vista at this time. We just got 10 D520's and
they have XP. You can see on the Dell web site that many/most of the
business offerings have XP as well as Vista.

Like it or not, new OS's will always have problems with legacy
hardware and software. For consumers, this can be manageable In a
corporate environment, it's no small thing to have to upgrade even one
application. In many cases, it's just not possible. What is an
acceptable cost to a consumer is not to a corporation. Try multiplying
that $40 upgrade cost by 100 or 1,000 or even 10,000.... Add to that
the manpower/hardware costs to do the upgrades and it becomes *VERY*
expensive *VERY* fast...

I support a small Hospice in upstate NY. We have two critical
applications that the vendors will not support on Vista.

Bottom line is that corporate acceptance of Vista is glacial compared
to the consumer market....

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Old August 11th 07, 02:10 PM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell
Ogden Johnson III
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Barry Watzman wrote:

Corporate IT departments are not installing Vista at this time (which is
typical of ANY new operating system that has been out less than about a
year). The CORPORATE sales organizations of ALL of the OEMs (Dell, HP,
Gateway, even Toshiba) still offer XP. You won't find it at retail,
however, with the possible sole exception of CompUSA.


Not surprising, and common to a lot of small companies,
particularly those that work under contract to/with larger
corporations and/or the US Gummint (see Joan F (MI)'s post above,
our sponsors at Naval Sea Systems Command didn't standardize on
Windows and MS Word/Excel/etc, until 1998).

My personal, and therefore my company's "corporate" stance since
I was what passed for their "IT" department, was that I'd never
buy a M$ program until after at least the first Service Pack/*.1
or *.2 version. Never bought Win 3.1 at all.

Semi-retired now, my decision on Vista lies in the joint hands of
God and M$. If God calls me back before M$ discontinues all
continuing support of XP, I'll never do Vista. If M$ beats God
to the punch, I'll consider Vista, under duress.

[My old, now retired boss operates three computers - one my old
L733 which I put XP on (yes, marginal at 733 MHz, but with a
memory UG it met my/meets his limited needs), and two of our
company's old Win98 machines - which run a lot of his favorite
software that won't run under XP. He hates XP, but uses it for
new software that won't run under Win 98.]
--
OJ III
  #17  
Old August 11th 07, 10:36 PM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell
Joan F \(MI\)
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Tiger Direct offers some laptops with XP.

Barry Watzman wrote:
| Corporate IT departments are not installing Vista at this time (which
| is typical of ANY new operating system that has been out less than
| about a year). The CORPORATE sales organizations of ALL of the OEMs
| (Dell, HP, Gateway, even Toshiba) still offer XP. You won't find it
| at retail, however, with the possible sole exception of CompUSA.
|


  #18  
Old August 11th 07, 10:45 PM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell
Barry Watzman
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"2000 is still more reliable than XP, of course"

I would take issue with that. So would lots of other people. XP is the
best OS MS has ever released.

wrote:
On 8 Aug, 11:58, "Kevin Childers" wrote:
Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some
sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers) are
really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given
every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it
wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of makes
you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales staff,
simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary on
the current state of VISTA?



My company laptop dual boots XP and Windows 2000 - because a lot of
the industrial software (Loader-monitors for older PLCs, diagnostic
tools for DC and AC drives) does not yet run on XP. 2000 is still
more reliable than XP, of course.

I would not be surprised if a lot of mission-critical software does
not run under vista, despite the Beta being available to developers
for half an ice age. They are not stupid. They knew that Vista SP1
would be radically different from the Beta they were being offered to
develop with.

  #19  
Old August 11th 07, 10:49 PM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell
Barry Watzman
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Only because they are OLD and/or (probably and) refurbished laptops.

Joan F (MI) wrote:
Tiger Direct offers some laptops with XP.

Barry Watzman wrote:
| Corporate IT departments are not installing Vista at this time (which
| is typical of ANY new operating system that has been out less than
| about a year). The CORPORATE sales organizations of ALL of the OEMs
| (Dell, HP, Gateway, even Toshiba) still offer XP. You won't find it
| at retail, however, with the possible sole exception of CompUSA.
|


  #20  
Old August 12th 07, 01:26 AM posted to alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell
S.Lewis
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"Barry Watzman" wrote in message
...
"2000 is still more reliable than XP, of course"

I would take issue with that. So would lots of other people. XP is the
best OS MS has ever released.


snip

I completely agree.


 




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