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Partitioning a 2tb hd for Windows 7 64 bit
Rod Speed wrote:
Ed Light wrote David Simpson wrote I would never do the 3 partition system. Just gets in the way down the road. It does let you defrag system or data without having to defrag your latest gigabytes of video System Data Multimedia No point in furiously defragging anymore. The built-in defragmenter in Windows 7, will not defrag files of 50MB in size or larger. This is part of the reason it is so much faster. Nothing in your video folder would be of interest to it. But a third-party tool would still be interested. If you pay $39.95 for a tool to do this, it'll make everything "neat as a pin". That's because the third-party designers, know their user community too well. Paul |
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Ed Light wrote in
eb.com: 30 Gigs should be ok, but if you anticipate loading it up particularly heavily with programs then you could make it 50. Especially if you run System Restore with alot of space for many captures. With a 2TB drive, why squish it. My dad's Vista machine is at 90GB all the time, with system restore. (out of 1TB, because 1TB is better that 500G, when you only use 35GB! I was not there to buy that drive. ;-) ) It's a non trivial exercise to keep the bulk of the data files out of that even with Win7 for even quite competent users. You can put all data in your own folder tree on the Data drive, not in Win's tree. _You can Google how to change, like Thunderbird's tree of mail and settings to another place. Very easy. I truely like the Library thing they added. (which I personally don't use, as I've been doing the same thing under XP for ages. But because of all this talk, I may switch to! It's too easy not to!) It's very easy under Windows 7. Almost no data is stored anywhere but the "user" folder. My entire "User" folder is not even on my "System" drive. How did you move it? Just drag it? I haven't been reading the whole thread. I did not want to post this, as it really should ONLY be done on a 2 DISK (not partition) system, and then ONLY if the system disk is a SSD. This saves massive amounts of writes to the SSD, as except maybe for TEMP, is the number one most written to location on the system, after install and patches. You should also move "TEMP". If you don't know how to change "TEMP" DO NOT TRY THIS EVEN IF YOU HAVE A ssd/hd SETUP!!! Again, the User folder is pretty small, so this is NOT for backup reasons, and you HAVE to backup this new location any time you backup your system, to get the latest system setting, and now you can LOOSE YOUR SYSTEM if EITHER drive fails. (in my case, any of 4 drives fail, I have to restore) DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I"VE SAID ABOVE!!! (Yes, I did the caps for a reason!!! This is not something to do "because") So, back to the question, NO, the "User" folder replaces the "Documents and Settings" folder from XP (not "My Documents", which can be moved). You can't just move it, as it contains system settings too, is locked after booting in any mode except "safe", and you can't boot without those files. BTW, the "Document and Settings" folder you see on Vista and W7 system drives is a NTFS symbolic link to the "User" folder, not a real folder. (this was done by Microsoft because some programs hard coded the path, when they should have read the path from the system) To "move" it, you do the following, in general. 1. Install system and patch. 2. Copy (not move) C:\User to the location you want it. (this new location MUST be present when Windows is booting, not after login. In other words, an internal drive) Use a program that copies all files, including locked/system ones. (I used Macrium Reflect paid version, free version cannot do folder backups. I think robocopy can do it too, with the right options) 3. In Safe mode, rename the C:\User folder. (in case you miss something, you have a copy, and you can just rename it back) 4. Still in safe mode, use the mklink command to create a NTFS symbolic link named C:\User to the location you made in step 1. 5. Reboot, and if you did it correctly, and things run OK, delete the folder you renamed in step 2. Here is a link for step by step instructions: http://lifehacker.com/5467758/move-t...y-in-windows-7 Or, if you want, you can learn Windows system installer script and make it at system time. (believe it or not, the first way is MUCH easier) I copied my system to the end of the disk and booted it up. It booted alot slower, as on a previous generation of HD. The end of a HD is close to half the speed of the beginning. Less platter flying by. A good defrag program can keep "needed" things in the correct location, and is a lot easier to do, even if you make only 1 partition. Nice free one is MyDefrag. The built in one is garbage. and "short stroked". That's not what the term means. It means a drive is artificially restricted to a smaller size than it actually is. Very true. But most people would use one partition. Could you, if you have several, say that one of the partitions is short stroked? You get the effect some what, as long as that program doesn't need anything on another partition. So, but lets say you click on a mp3 file at the end of your disk. First thing that happends is you load you mp3 playing program. It's in the system partition at the beginning. Head moves there. It then loads and gets the files name, then it goes to the end of the disk, where the mp3 is. long delay (relitively speaking) A worse case, you have your programs on a second one. Program starts loading, but needs a DLL, Oops, that's on system, go there, back to program, then another DLL, etc. Now if you replace the word "partition" above with "disk", all that goes away! Windows would work very well with 3 very fast HDs, but at that point, you'd be better with a SSD/HD combo. Short stroking is ONLY using the outer most tracks. You buy a 1TB drive, and only use 100-200GB, never partition or format the rest. When you are building a $10-20K server, buying a few extra 1TB drives is not a big deal. Track to track speed is average for the WHOLE disk. Track to nearby track is much faster. Still much slower than a single track access, though. This won't be done much longer, as SSD are making their way into Enterprise even faster than gamers, though with the price changing, and 60-120GB SSD makes a GREAT speed increaser. All my new desktop will be built that way. Then, the next one after that, would be a large multimedia partition, and I put one for partition images at the end. Its mad to keep the images on the drive that's got the partitions being imaged on it. OK. But I copy them to an external HD. When I'm imaging I'd rather not image to the external, and this way I have 2 copies in case the external or main gois down. So not "Mad". As long as that is also part of the "system" backup process, you are fine. Don't delete the last image on the external disk, until you finish coping the new one! ;-) My system backup is as follows: Backup C: to E:\Backups Backup D:\User to E:\Backups (yes, 3 drives). Clean out older versions on E:\Backups, make new CRC file. System backup time is about 15 minutes. About 9:30 that night, the new files are copied to my local server, where the old ones still are. Next day, run CRC check. If crc passes, delete old files. Run backup program on server and make 2 copies to eSATA HDs. Run CRC on those disk. If pass, remove files from eSATA drives. When visiting dad (250 miles away, use sneaker (car) net to copy my images to his server. I do the same for his systems. Most of the time, the off site files are 2 or 3 monthes out of date, but that's just in case of a total system loss. (as in fire/flood) My data files backup daily, and then nightly to dad's. QED You can actually install portable apps on the main HD or 2nd HD and then you give the opens with honor. I have them on a TrueCrypted partition. If it's not mounted, then you get an error. That was Rod. Yes, that is the way my friend does it at work, except with a small external HD. I just use my phone, which I really like, but battery tech needs to advance a bit to make them really nice. I want a week, low/mid usage before I'll be happy. Oops, I degress! -- _______________________________________________ / David Simpson \ | | | http://www.nyx.net/~dsimpson | |We got to go to the crappy town where I'm a hero.| \_______________________________________________/ |
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Partitioning a 2tb hd for Windows 7 64 bit
Ed Light wrote in
eb.com: On 5/25/2012 6:36 PM, David Simpson wrote: I would never do the 3 partition system. Just gets in the way down the road. It does let you defrag system or data without having to defrag your latest gigabytes of video System Data Multimedia Just use a newer defrag program with "zones". My multimedia files never move, unless I screw with them. Try MyDefrag, and make a custom script. -- _______________________________________________ / David Simpson \ | | | http://www.nyx.net/~dsimpson | |We got to go to the crappy town where I'm a hero.| \_______________________________________________/ |
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Partitioning a 2tb hd for Windows 7 64 bit
"Rod Speed" wrote in
: David Simpson wrote "Rod Speed" wrote OK, I give up. Great, hang yourself thoughtfully. reams of your puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs ROFLMAO -- _______________________________________________ / David Simpson \ | | | http://www.nyx.net/~dsimpson | |We got to go to the crappy town where I'm a hero.| \_______________________________________________/ |
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Partitioning a 2tb hd for Windows 7 64 bit
En el artículo , Alias aka@maskedandano
nymous.com.invalid escribió: I guess I don't really know for sure because I haven't tested all my data individually but everything I use works fine. Recently I did take a look at some really old photos and all were well and some date back to 97. Thanks. I wondered if you did anything like calculating a checksum at the time of creating the file and checking it at intervals afterwards to see if bit rot had set in. You're not going to notice subtle corruption in things like image files, sound files, videos, etc. The problem with memory bit rot is when critical system files get read into bad memory then written back out to disk. You get a slow, insidious corruption of the system and the subsequent lockups and crashes are put down to "Windows just does that". -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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Partitioning a 2tb hd for Windows 7 64 bit
Paul wrote
Rod Speed wrote Ed Light wrote David Simpson wrote I would never do the 3 partition system. Just gets in the way down the road. It does let you defrag system or data without having to defrag your latest gigabytes of video System Data Multimedia No point in furiously defragging anymore. The built-in defragmenter in Windows 7, will not defrag files of 50MB in size or larger. Because the fragmentation of those doesn’t matter a damn, because the rate at which they are played is entirely determined by the media play speed, so some additional seeks between fragments isnt even observable. This is part of the reason it is so much faster. Nothing in your video folder would be of interest to it. And they wouldn’t be moved even if they were in the same folder as the other data files. But a third-party tool would still be interested. If you pay $39.95 for a tool to do this, it'll make everything "neat as a pin". Because they don’t have a clue about what fragmentation matters. That's because the third-party designers, know their user community too well. |
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Partitioning a 2tb hd for Windows 7 64 bit
Rod,
I've just won that bet, ****wit child. Every time you post such childish drivel, you reinforce everything posted at Rod Speed FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v |
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Partitioning a 2tb hd for Windows 7 64 bit
On 5/26/2012 11:58 AM, Alias wrote:
On 5/26/2012 7:30 PM, GreyCloud wrote: On 5/26/2012 3:32 AM, Alias wrote: On 5/26/2012 3:52 AM, GreyCloud wrote: I also back up everything to an external hard drive and two internal hard drives. I've haven't lost anything since 1997. Just as long as you haven't done an upgrade on line of course. There is one that has that problem... Ubuntu. I always to a clean install and use Linux Mint. Maybe this is of interest to you: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/dr...;siu-container Hopefully this url isn't munged up too bad. But the article is rather clear about using non ECC memory. You can blame Intel on this problem, as they have yet to really address this problem properly and at a low cost for the consumer. A lot of people don't know about this and aren't even aware of it. The RAM I use is CE by Kingston. I haven't had any of the problems your link refers to. That is because there is nothing in software or hardware that will tell you that you've got a problem. The article is quite firm about this. All ram without any detection will eventually corrupt data. This is a known fact. I must be lucky, then, because all my data is just fine and has been since 97. Either that or the article, firm as it may be, is incorrect. Most likely for most, lucky in that it hasn't hit anything critical... yet. If you did have error detection in your hardware, you would've seen them reported to you. What you don't have is detection between cpu to ram... cpu to hard disk... cable connector to cable connector... detection on the hard drive electronics themselves... any write error detection... etc. That is why your average user PC is very low cost. A good system will cost you over $10,000 easily. And nowhere in linux will you see any software embedded in the kernel that detects hardware errors let alone soft errors. Same goes for the mac, in that their back up system called Time Machine will happily backup any corrupted data to an external drive. Nothing is done there for data verification for its validity. |
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On 5/26/2012 5:12 PM, Alias wrote:
On 5/26/2012 8:17 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el , Aliasaka@maskedandano nymous.com.invalid escribió: I must be lucky, then, because all my data is just fine and has been since 97 How do you know? (serious question) I guess I don't really know for sure because I haven't tested all my data individually but everything I use works fine. Recently I did take a look at some really old photos and all were well and some date back to 97. They may look fine, but I'd say that the data that comprises the whole picture will have at least one or two pixels that don't match. In this case it doesn't matter, but for monetary records one bit mismatch could be a disaster. |
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On 5/26/2012 1:39 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
"GreyCloud" wrote in message . .. On 5/26/2012 3:32 AM, Alias wrote: On 5/26/2012 3:52 AM, GreyCloud wrote: I also back up everything to an external hard drive and two internal hard drives. I've haven't lost anything since 1997. Just as long as you haven't done an upgrade on line of course. There is one that has that problem... Ubuntu. I always to a clean install and use Linux Mint. Maybe this is of interest to you: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/dr...;siu-container Hopefully this url isn't munged up too bad. But the article is rather clear about using non ECC memory. You can blame Intel on this problem, as they have yet to really address this problem properly and at a low cost for the consumer. A lot of people don't know about this and aren't even aware of it. The RAM I use is CE by Kingston. I haven't had any of the problems your link refers to. That is because there is nothing in software or hardware that will tell you that you've got a problem. Wrong. There are plenty of checks that do just that. No, there are many places on your mobo that won't check for it. That is why servers use ECC ram. For mission critical services, you need checks not only in ram but across the bus, between cpu to ram, between cpu to the hard drive... and between one end of a data cable to the other end of the data cable. The old DEC VAXes did do this level of checking, which during its time was rather expensive. The system also logged any errors to the system error log and on the operator console. In the error logs you'd see which ram address had bit loss, which register in the cpu had a bit loss problem and which bit, problems between the data connectors to the hard drive or back then the tape units as well. Today's consumer pcs are cheap because there isn't anywhere near this level of checking needed. But you will need it if you are doing mission critical services. The article is quite firm about this. Its just plain wrong on that and doesn't say anything like that anyway. It is very emphatic about it. All ram without any detection will eventually corrupt data. This is a known fact. But its also a known fact that there are other ways to detect that when it happens. Such as? |
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