More Dead Sub Pixels ??

With TFT market penetration now approaching "critical mass" I see a big
problem that the public have completely different expectations than the
industry. This will lead to bad customer relations IMO. I wonder how it
will all pan out!

As a consumer I dont want dead pixels and I also dont want to pay twice the
price (or whatever).

Its a bit of a "crap-shoot" to borrow an Americanism.

I waited until 17" dropped below £150 before purchasing.
Are their vast differences in yields between manufacturers? If so, does
anyone have a rough league table, because after seeing dead pixels "in
action" I'd rather lay down an extra 40quid if it significantly reduced my
chances!

I'm strangely puzzled by the whole thing. I know why it came about, but the
thought of some poor old granny sitting in front of 7 bright red sub pixels
on her 17" screen ... sigh

--
Lordy

On 22 Dec 2004 00:22:32 GMT, Lordy wrote:

With TFT market penetration now approaching "critical mass" I see a big
problem that the public have completely different expectations than the
industry. This will lead to bad customer relations IMO. I wonder how it
will all pan out!

As a consumer I dont want dead pixels and I also dont want to pay twice the
price (or whatever).

Its a bit of a "crap-shoot" to borrow an Americanism.

I waited until 17" dropped below £150 before purchasing.
Are their vast differences in yields between manufacturers? If so, does
anyone have a rough league table, because after seeing dead pixels "in
action" I'd rather lay down an extra 40quid if it significantly reduced my
chances!

I'm strangely puzzled by the whole thing. I know why it came about, but the
thought of some poor old granny sitting in front of 7 bright red sub pixels
on her 17" screen ... sigh

I would not be supprised if that is why LCD TVs are considerably more
expensive than their monitor counter parts. I wonder if the TVs are
Class A displays becuase of the problems that would be encountered
with returns. I've yet to see a TV with dead pixels or sub pixels.
--
Gamma gamma gamma chameleon
You come and glow, you come and glow.
Kick out the cats before you reply

Gama Chameleon wrote:




I would not be supprised if that is why LCD TVs are considerably more
expensive than their monitor counter parts. I wonder if the TVs are
Class A displays becuase of the problems that would be encountered
with returns. I've yet to see a TV with dead pixels or sub pixels.

I think you are correct.

I believe it is a fact that the previous shortage this year (dont know
if it still exists - probably not as prices seem to be falling) for
grade A LCD PC monitors was the fact that they were all being bought for
TV manufacture.

supply-demand-price mechanism kicks in and LCD PC monitors were a fairly
high price.

g.

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:42:57 +0000, Fat Freddy's Cat
wrote:

Gama Chameleon wrote:




I would not be supprised if that is why LCD TVs are considerably more
expensive than their monitor counter parts. I wonder if the TVs are
Class A displays becuase of the problems that would be encountered
with returns. I've yet to see a TV with dead pixels or sub pixels.

I think you are correct.

I believe it is a fact that the previous shortage this year (dont know
if it still exists - probably not as prices seem to be falling) for
grade A LCD PC monitors was the fact that they were all being bought for
TV manufacture.

supply-demand-price mechanism kicks in and LCD PC monitors were a fairly
high price.

That would figure. Coupled with the lack of sales of smaller screens
results in PC displays dropping in price rapdly.

Of course alot of people are now waiting out for Organic LCD and SED
displays which may well bring down the price of LCD TVs even more. I
would expect them to start matching CRT TVs not that far into the new
year. Afterall you can get a plasma for 1200 ish. I read that SEDs
cost about half the price of a plasma to make and don't suffer from
the same degredation as plasma.
--
Gamma gamma gamma chameleon
You come and glow, you come and glow.
Kick out the cats before you reply

Lordy got up from the bar and shouted: :
With TFT market penetration now approaching "critical mass" I see a big
problem that the public have completely different expectations than the
industry. This will lead to bad customer relations IMO. I wonder how it
will all pan out!

As a consumer I dont want dead pixels and I also dont want to pay twice the
price (or whatever).

Its a bit of a "crap-shoot" to borrow an Americanism.

I waited until 17" dropped below £150 before purchasing.
Are their vast differences in yields between manufacturers? If so, does
anyone have a rough league table, because after seeing dead pixels "in
action" I'd rather lay down an extra 40quid if it significantly reduced my
chances!

I'm strangely puzzled by the whole thing. I know why it came about, but the
thought of some poor old granny sitting in front of 7 bright red sub pixels
on her 17" screen ... sigh


I found out the hard way, recently buying a 19in TFT, and it arrived
with a stuck green pixel, that stood out like a sore thumb.

There way no way I was spending £400 on a TFT, and not be less than 100%
happy with it. Fortunatly (for me), my retailer took it back under DSR
and all I lost was postage 2 ways (£15).

I find it unbelieveable that having a crack in the case would be classed
as damage or faulty, yet a dead pixel would be perfectly acceptable...

Next 19in TFT I buy will be bought from a shop, and I will insist it's
powered up and I can check it before parting with any cash. No powerup,
no sale... Simple as that...

In article ,
BlackShuck writes
I find it unbelieveable that having a crack in the case would be classed
as damage or faulty, yet a dead pixel would be perfectly acceptable...

You mean how on a new car a scratch in the paint would be classed as
damage, yet a squeak from the seat would be perfectly acceptable?

It's all down to manufacturing tolerances and expectations. As yet they
manufacturers are unable to produce sufficiently high yields of
faultless panels to make throwing the imperfect ones out. That's just
the way it is for now.

Next 19in TFT I buy will be bought from a shop, and I will insist it's
powered up and I can check it before parting with any cash. No powerup,
no sale... Simple as that...

Good luck. I doubt you'll find many shops that will break the seal on a
brand new monitor, unpack it and power it up when there's a good chance
you'll then say you don't want it anymore and they'll be lumbered with
it. I certainly wouldn't accept as new a monitor which had been
previously opened and demonstrated.
--
Toby

Toby Groves got up from the bar and shouted: :
In article ,
BlackShuck writes

I find it unbelieveable that having a crack in the case would be classed
as damage or faulty, yet a dead pixel would be perfectly acceptable...


You mean how on a new car a scratch in the paint would be classed as
damage, yet a squeak from the seat would be perfectly acceptable?

It's all down to manufacturing tolerances and expectations. As yet they
manufacturers are unable to produce sufficiently high yields of
faultless panels to make throwing the imperfect ones out. That's just
the way it is for now.

Next 19in TFT I buy will be bought from a shop, and I will insist it's
powered up and I can check it before parting with any cash. No powerup,
no sale... Simple as that...


Good luck. I doubt you'll find many shops that will break the seal on a
brand new monitor, unpack it and power it up when there's a good chance
you'll then say you don't want it anymore and they'll be lumbered with
it. I certainly wouldn't accept as new a monitor which had been
previously opened and demonstrated.

On the otherhand, play on Salesman commission, which is all he is
thinking about.

Toby Groves wrote:

[...]

Good luck. I doubt you'll find many shops that will break the seal on a
brand new monitor, unpack it and power it up when there's a good chance
you'll then say you don't want it anymore and they'll be lumbered with
it. I certainly wouldn't accept as new a monitor which had been
previously opened and demonstrated.

That's why I stick with my delightful Sony Trinitron CRT until the TFTs are
properly labelled so you know exactly what you're buying; i.e. dead pixels
mapped out and posted on the packaging.