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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
"." wrote in message ... In article , "Rod Speed" wrote: Unplug everything except the motherboard and see if the cpu fan comes on and stays on. If it does, plug the hard drive in and see if it will boot with just the motherboard and hard drive connected etc. Thanks to you and all who responded. My original post asserted that I wasn't an engineer. True. But I solved the problem with your advice above, thinking systematically like an engineer. I disconnected the power supply and connected everything one by one, and the computer is now fully functional. From a little research I did, I think my issue was that I'd connected the 3.5" floppy power incorrectly or partially. AHHH the Ole floppy power connector woes...damn stupid connector....................... AFA PSUs go have a 6 year old codegen (touted the worst) still going strong and a Antec that died in 3 months. IOW its a crap shoot... I also appreciate everyone's point about not being cheap. In 15+ years of heavy computer use, i've never had a PSU go bad on me. But given all the heartache this burnout caused, I'll from now on spend the extra money for an Antec or other name brand supply. If I'd lost something really important and known that an extra $40-50 would have averted the disaster, I'd have been kicking myself. |
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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
.. wrote:
Yesterday morning, ten hours after I'd last powered my PC down, I turned it on and noticed immediately a burning "electrical fire" smell. Turned the computer off (using Windows shutdown first from the login screen), disconnected all peripherals and the power, opened the case. Attached the power cord only, started it, everything worked (hard drives were cycling, CPU fan going, motherboard lights on, etc.), but I noticed the smell again. I did some sniffing and it was definitely coming from the power supply. Then the computer just stopped. I am not a "hardware guy" but I did some research on the web, consulted with the friend who helped me build the computer, and it seemed pretty open and shut. The 350 watt supply that came with the case ($35 for case and supply) was to blame. So went to CompUSA today and picked up http://www.compusa.com/products/prod...ct_code=283768 - seemed to be a worthy "bang for the buck" 400-watt supply. http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/362/ is the instructions I followed. Before disconnecting the old PSU, I carefully labelled every connection, showing what it was connected to, and the orientation on the drive or board. (The PSU had a 20-pin connection to the motherboard, the ATX12V comnnector, and my computer has two hard drives, a DVD drive, and a 3.5" floppy.) Plugged the computer in, turned on the PSU, and nothing. Ultimately, I tried a known good power cord and the new cord that came with the PSU, a known working outlet, several permutations, nothing. The voltage selector is correct (115 volts) on the back of the PSU. When I apply power, the CPU fan turns for about two seconds then stops (no harsh or unusual noises - it was turning fine yesterday). The green light on the motherboard stays lit. But no drive lights come on, and no sign of any activity. I don't have a multimeter. I'm not an electrician or electrical engineer. I just want some suggestions on what might be wrong and how to fix it. FWIW, the motherboard seems to show no abuse; the capacitors all look shiny and intact. My friend who built the PC for me is traveling, and I will ultimately bring the computer to him and his extensive testbench if I can't figure this out myself. But I'm really at my wit's end now and am hoping for a few useful "try this" suggestions. I have had a powers supply smoke because the cord went bad but all it did was fry the power supply and after that was replace all worked well but perhaps yours did damage to some of the other components, the mother board or the other cards. Check all your connections from the cast to the motherboard and from the drives to the mother board and from the powr to the motherboard and to the drives. Make sure the RAM is seated properly. There is no real guessing what happened It could have been a power cord gone bad or a power surge. |
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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
.. wrote:
Yesterday morning, ten hours after I'd last powered my PC down, I turned it on and noticed immediately a burning "electrical fire" smell. Turned the computer off (using Windows shutdown first from the login screen), disconnected all peripherals and the power, opened the case. Attached the power cord only, started it, everything worked (hard drives were cycling, CPU fan going, motherboard lights on, etc.), but I noticed the smell again. I did some sniffing and it was definitely coming from the power supply. Then the computer just stopped. I am not a "hardware guy" but I did some research on the web, consulted with the friend who helped me build the computer, and it seemed pretty open and shut. The 350 watt supply that came with the case ($35 for case and supply) was to blame. So went to CompUSA today and picked up http://www.compusa.com/products/prod...ct_code=283768 - seemed to be a worthy "bang for the buck" 400-watt supply. http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/362/ is the instructions I followed. Before disconnecting the old PSU, I carefully labelled every connection, showing what it was connected to, and the orientation on the drive or board. (The PSU had a 20-pin connection to the motherboard, the ATX12V comnnector, and my computer has two hard drives, a DVD drive, and a 3.5" floppy.) Plugged the computer in, turned on the PSU, and nothing. Ultimately, I tried a known good power cord and the new cord that came with the PSU, a known working outlet, several permutations, nothing. The voltage selector is correct (115 volts) on the back of the PSU. When I apply power, the CPU fan turns for about two seconds then stops (no harsh or unusual noises - it was turning fine yesterday). The green light on the motherboard stays lit. But no drive lights come on, and no sign of any activity. I don't have a multimeter. I'm not an electrician or electrical engineer. I just want some suggestions on what might be wrong and how to fix it. FWIW, the motherboard seems to show no abuse; the capacitors all look shiny and intact. My friend who built the PC for me is traveling, and I will ultimately bring the computer to him and his extensive testbench if I can't figure this out myself. But I'm really at my wit's end now and am hoping for a few useful "try this" suggestions. I have had a powers supply smoke because the cord went bad but all it did was fry the power supply and after that was replace all worked well but perhaps yours did damage to some of the other components, the mother board or the other cards. Check all your connections from the cast to the motherboard and from the drives to the mother board and from the powr to the motherboard and to the drives. Make sure the RAM is seated properly. There is no real guessing what happened It could have been a power cord gone bad or a power surge |
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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
Dave C. wrote:
"." wrote in message ... Yesterday morning, ten hours after I'd last powered my PC down, I turned it on and noticed immediately a burning "electrical fire" smell. Turned the computer off (using Windows shutdown first from the login screen), disconnected all peripherals and the power, opened the case. Attached the power cord only, started it, everything worked (hard drives were cycling, CPU fan going, motherboard lights on, etc.), but I noticed the smell again. I did some sniffing and it was definitely coming from the power supply. Then the computer just stopped. I am not a "hardware guy" but I did some research on the web, consulted with the friend who helped me build the computer, and it seemed pretty open and shut. The 350 watt supply that came with the case ($35 for case and supply) was to blame. So went to CompUSA today and picked up http://www.compusa.com/products/prod...ct_code=283768 - seemed to be a worthy "bang for the buck" 400-watt supply. http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/362/ is the instructions I followed. Before disconnecting the old PSU, I carefully labelled every connection, showing what it was connected to, and the orientation on the drive or board. (The PSU had a 20-pin connection to the motherboard, the ATX12V comnnector, and my computer has two hard drives, a DVD drive, and a 3.5" floppy.) Plugged the computer in, turned on the PSU, and nothing. Ultimately, I tried a known good power cord and the new cord that came with the PSU, a known working outlet, several permutations, nothing. The voltage selector is correct (115 volts) on the back of the PSU. When I apply power, the CPU fan turns for about two seconds then stops (no harsh or unusual noises - it was turning fine yesterday). The green light on the motherboard stays lit. But no drive lights come on, and no sign of any activity. I don't have a multimeter. I'm not an electrician or electrical engineer. I just want some suggestions on what might be wrong and how to fix it. FWIW, the motherboard seems to show no abuse; the capacitors all look shiny and intact. My friend who built the PC for me is traveling, and I will ultimately bring the computer to him and his extensive testbench if I can't figure this out myself. But I'm really at my wit's end now and am hoping for a few useful "try this" suggestions. Poor quality power supplies have two very nasty habits: 1) They die early (that is GUARANTEED, btw), often shortly after leaving the factory 2) With no built-in component protection, they often take other components with them, when they die. In other words, cheap power supplies kill motherboards, hard drives, CPUs, RAM, etc. Your post is about TWO poor quality power supplies. I suspect that the first one died ungracefully, taking the motherboard out with it. The second one can't even power itself, apparently. It's your money, but people don't seem to understand that often spending an extra 40 bucks or so on a GOOD power supply can save a complete rebuild, costing hundreds of bucks. -Dave I would have to agree with Dave, After having a computer built for me the power supply died on me about 1 year later. The burning smell and everything that goes with it including entire computer shutting down . After going to Store and buyng a new 400 Watt power supply, I asked how a new power supply could fail in only 1 year. He replied it was probably a cheap one if it was built in a retail store as some try to cut corners and save money. I installed the new 60.00 power supply and everthing worked fine...I was just lucky the MB or no other components were fried. |
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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
Poor quality power supplies have two very nasty habits: 1) They die early (that is GUARANTEED, btw), often shortly after leaving the factory 2) With no built-in component protection, they often take other components with them, when they die. In other words, cheap power supplies kill motherboards, hard drives, CPUs, RAM, etc. Your post is about TWO poor quality power supplies. I suspect that the first one died ungracefully, taking the motherboard out with it. The second one can't even power itself, apparently. It's your money, but people don't seem to understand that often spending an extra 40 bucks or so on a GOOD power supply can save a complete rebuild, costing hundreds of bucks. -Dave Actually, I'm sure the power supply he bought from the store is perfectly fine. Don't forget about "power good"! If the power supply doesn't see this, it will not stay on. That is how all ATX power supplies are designed, and it is indeed built-in component protection. If anything is shorting out (as could very well be the case here, since his first power supply fried something), it will shut down a working power supply. |
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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
Also, people should pay attention and when smelling something burning, grab
the power cord and unplug it. In the OP, the poster said that he used the Windows shutdown, etc. PULL THE PLUG! Larry Behold Beware believe "Plato" |@|.| wrote in message ... Lookout wrote: If all you hook up to the power supply is the MOBO (no RAM or CPU) and you can't even get to post (a beep, no beeps at all) then your problem is probably (98%) a fried MOBO. Just hope it didn't go any further. There are generally two things that cause a major smell when they burn out: 1. Monitor 2. The Case Power Supply The case power supply can, tho rare, also take out other parts in a system when it goes bad or burns. -- http://www.bootdisk.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
Larry Crites wrote:
Also, people should pay attention and when smelling something burning, grab the power cord and unplug it. In the OP, the poster said that he used the Windows shutdown, etc. PULL THE PLUG! Yeah, that's kind of like sending a physical letter to the fire department when you notice the garage is on fire. -- Blinky RLU 297263 Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html |
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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
"Blinky the Shark" wrote in message ... Larry Crites wrote: Also, people should pay attention and when smelling something burning, grab the power cord and unplug it. In the OP, the poster said that he used the Windows shutdown, etc. PULL THE PLUG! Yeah, that's kind of like sending a physical letter to the fire department when you notice the garage is on fire. More like sending a letter to your doctor when you notice the garage on fire........and then when you weren't quite sure there was enough damage...... turn it on again...... |
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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
David Matthew Wood wrote:
Poor quality power supplies have two very nasty habits: 1) They die early (that is GUARANTEED, btw), often shortly after leaving the factory 2) With no built-in component protection, they often take other components with them, when they die. In other words, cheap power supplies kill motherboards, hard drives, CPUs, RAM, etc. Your post is about TWO poor quality power supplies. I suspect that the first one died ungracefully, taking the motherboard out with it. The second one can't even power itself, apparently. It's your money, but people don't seem to understand that often spending an extra 40 bucks or so on a GOOD power supply can save a complete rebuild, costing hundreds of bucks. -Dave Actually, I'm sure the power supply he bought from the store is perfectly fine. Don't forget about "power good"! If the power supply doesn't see this, it will not stay on. That is how all ATX power supplies are designed, and it is indeed built-in component protection. If anything is shorting out (as could very well be the case here, since his first power supply fried something), it will shut down a working power supply. Good link on the Power Good Signal http://www.pcguide.com/ref/power/sup...werGood-c.html and how "Some extremely el-cheapo power supplies may "fake" the Power Good signal by just tying it to another +5 V line." -- Board Dots http://www.boredmuch.com/view.php?id=764 |
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Power supply fried, replaced it, computer won't start
David Matthew Wood wrote
Poor quality power supplies have two very nasty habits: 1) They die early (that is GUARANTEED, btw), often shortly after leaving the factory 2) With no built-in component protection, they often take other components with them, when they die. In other words, cheap power supplies kill motherboards, hard drives, CPUs, RAM, etc. Your post is about TWO poor quality power supplies. I suspect that the first one died ungracefully, taking the motherboard out with it. The second one can't even power itself, apparently. It's your money, but people don't seem to understand that often spending an extra 40 bucks or so on a GOOD power supply can save a complete rebuild, costing hundreds of bucks. -Dave Actually, I'm sure the power supply he bought from the store is perfectly fine. Don't forget about "power good"! If the power supply doesn't see this, it will not stay on. You've got that backwards, its PROVIDED by the power supply, not observed by the power supply. That is how all ATX power supplies are designed, Nope. and it is indeed built-in component protection. If anything is shorting out (as could very well be the case here, since his first power supply fried something), it will shut down a working power supply. Different issue entirely to the power good line. |
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