No POST with Shuttle SS51G

Hi. I just bought a Shuttle SS51G, RAM, Processor, etc. through
NewEgg and put it together. Unfortunately, I'm getting no POST. The
Power LED on the front of the case lights up, the fan and drives spin,
and the LED on the system board lights up. However, I don't get any
video output. There isn't a PC speaker built into this system board,
so I can't hear any beeps. I will never underestimate the value of a
PC speaker again!

The System Board is a Shuttle FS51 version 2.0. The processor is an
Intel Celeron D Processor 320 (2.40 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, 256K L2 Cache).
The RAM is Geil GE5123200BDC (two matched 256 MB sticks, PC3200,
DDR400, CL=2.5-8-4-4). I currently have no drives hooked up and I'm
using the built-in video port.

I researched the news groups and found that this is a classic scenario
for this particular unit. It looks like the system board very
particular about the RAM modules.

I've done the clearing of the CMOS procedure several times. I
followed the procedures in the "FS51 Mainboard Manual" on page 27.
Out of desperation, I even tried draining it for 45 minutes instead of
a few seconds, but it hasn't helped.

I've reseated the processor. I've reseated the RAM. I've swapped the
RAM modules between the sockets. I've tried using only one RAM module
at a time (trying each module in the DIMM1 socket at different times).

Unfortunately, I don't have any other alternate DDR modules here at
work, believe it or not. I'm going to take the unit home tonight and
swap with some modules that I have there. I have the following RAM
types at home that I can try:
Kingston, Hyper X, 256 MB, PC2700, CL2 (KHX2700K2/512)
Kingston, ValueRAM, 256 MB, PC2100, CL2.5 (KVR266X64C25/256)

Does anybody see anything obviously wrong with my current RAM, CPU,
and System Board combination?

I know that this system board is not supposed to be compatible with
the Prescott core. I don't know what core my Celeron D Processor 320
uses. I went to www.intel.com and looked at the specifications for
the Celeron D Processor 320 but was unable to find the actual core
listed. Does anyone know what core the Celeron D Processor 320 uses?

Thanks for any and all help!

Van

P.S. When I finally fix this problem, I will post the solution.

sounds like the video may maybe disabled or kaput. can you get a PCI
vid card and check? you mentioned classic scenario..do these same
folks offer a fix bios update? .that would also be an indication of
a bad choice of MB.


"Van Vangor" wrote in message
om...
Hi. I just bought a Shuttle SS51G, RAM, Processor, etc. through
NewEgg and put it together. Unfortunately, I'm getting no POST.
The
Power LED on the front of the case lights up, the fan and drives
spin,
and the LED on the system board lights up. However, I don't get any
video output. There isn't a PC speaker built into this system board,
so I can't hear any beeps. I will never underestimate the value of
a
PC speaker again!

The System Board is a Shuttle FS51 version 2.0. The processor is an
Intel Celeron D Processor 320 (2.40 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, 256K L2
Cache).
The RAM is Geil GE5123200BDC (two matched 256 MB sticks, PC3200,
DDR400, CL=2.5-8-4-4). I currently have no drives hooked up and I'm
using the built-in video port.

I researched the news groups and found that this is a classic
scenario
for this particular unit. It looks like the system board very
particular about the RAM modules.

I've done the clearing of the CMOS procedure several times. I
followed the procedures in the "FS51 Mainboard Manual" on page 27.
Out of desperation, I even tried draining it for 45 minutes instead
of
a few seconds, but it hasn't helped.

I've reseated the processor. I've reseated the RAM. I've swapped
the
RAM modules between the sockets. I've tried using only one RAM
module
at a time (trying each module in the DIMM1 socket at different
times).

Unfortunately, I don't have any other alternate DDR modules here at
work, believe it or not. I'm going to take the unit home tonight
and
swap with some modules that I have there. I have the following RAM
types at home that I can try:
Kingston, Hyper X, 256 MB, PC2700, CL2 (KHX2700K2/512)
Kingston, ValueRAM, 256 MB, PC2100, CL2.5 (KVR266X64C25/256)

Does anybody see anything obviously wrong with my current RAM, CPU,
and System Board combination?

I know that this system board is not supposed to be compatible with
the Prescott core. I don't know what core my Celeron D Processor
320
uses. I went to www.intel.com and looked at the specifications for
the Celeron D Processor 320 but was unable to find the actual core
listed. Does anyone know what core the Celeron D Processor 320
uses?

Thanks for any and all help!

Van

P.S. When I finally fix this problem, I will post the solution.

"Van Vangor" wrote in message
om...
Hi. I just bought a Shuttle SS51G, RAM, Processor, etc. through
NewEgg and put it together. Unfortunately, I'm getting no POST. The
Power LED on the front of the case lights up, the fan and drives spin,
and the LED on the system board lights up. However, I don't get any
video output. There isn't a PC speaker built into this system board,
so I can't hear any beeps. I will never underestimate the value of a
PC speaker again!

Obvious thing to check , but are you using the TV out connector on the back?
My shuttle SK41 does (that is why I bought it). But that is not enabled by
default in the bios. If you have it connected to a TV, then you will have to
plug it into a monitor first and enable TV out!

I don't think the Celeron D processors work with that board. Check to be
sure, but I think thats your problem.

--Dan

"Van Vangor" wrote in message
om...
Hi. I just bought a Shuttle SS51G, RAM, Processor, etc. through
NewEgg and put it together. Unfortunately, I'm getting no POST. The
Power LED on the front of the case lights up, the fan and drives spin,
and the LED on the system board lights up. However, I don't get any
video output. There isn't a PC speaker built into this system board,
so I can't hear any beeps. I will never underestimate the value of a
PC speaker again!

The System Board is a Shuttle FS51 version 2.0. The processor is an
Intel Celeron D Processor 320 (2.40 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, 256K L2 Cache).
The RAM is Geil GE5123200BDC (two matched 256 MB sticks, PC3200,
DDR400, CL=2.5-8-4-4). I currently have no drives hooked up and I'm
using the built-in video port.

I researched the news groups and found that this is a classic scenario
for this particular unit. It looks like the system board very
particular about the RAM modules.

I've done the clearing of the CMOS procedure several times. I
followed the procedures in the "FS51 Mainboard Manual" on page 27.
Out of desperation, I even tried draining it for 45 minutes instead of
a few seconds, but it hasn't helped.

I've reseated the processor. I've reseated the RAM. I've swapped the
RAM modules between the sockets. I've tried using only one RAM module
at a time (trying each module in the DIMM1 socket at different times).

Unfortunately, I don't have any other alternate DDR modules here at
work, believe it or not. I'm going to take the unit home tonight and
swap with some modules that I have there. I have the following RAM
types at home that I can try:
Kingston, Hyper X, 256 MB, PC2700, CL2 (KHX2700K2/512)
Kingston, ValueRAM, 256 MB, PC2100, CL2.5 (KVR266X64C25/256)

Does anybody see anything obviously wrong with my current RAM, CPU,
and System Board combination?

I know that this system board is not supposed to be compatible with
the Prescott core. I don't know what core my Celeron D Processor 320
uses. I went to www.intel.com and looked at the specifications for
the Celeron D Processor 320 but was unable to find the actual core
listed. Does anyone know what core the Celeron D Processor 320 uses?

Thanks for any and all help!

Van

P.S. When I finally fix this problem, I will post the solution.

Yep, I am pretty sure its the Celeron D giving you problems.

I just happen to be building 2 more systems as we speak based on the SS51G.
As I was looking at the docs again I think I am pretty sure that the SS51G
just does not support the 533 FSB of the Celeron D processors. So far I
have built up 3 using 2.4Ghz celerons and 1 using a 2.26Ghz P4, these are
the first small form machines I have ever dealt with and I think they are
just great, I think they will gain even more popularity over time. Cheap
too, a pretty sweet complete box with total cost being about $450.

I really should benchmark 2 identical systems with the only difference being
2.4Ghz cele. vs 2.26Ghz p4.

--Dan

"dg" wrote in message
m...
I don't think the Celeron D processors work with that board. Check to be
sure, but I think thats your problem.

--Dan

Thanks for the reply. That was a good idea. It has an 8X AGP slot,
so I installed a Sapphire Radeon 9000Pro in the AGP slot, but got the
same results. Then I tried a Saphire Radeon 7000 video card in the
PCI slot, but still got the same results. By the way, both video
cards work fine in another system.

Thanks for your help,
Van

"JAD" wrote in message ...
sounds like the video may maybe disabled or kaput. can you get a PCI
vid card and check? you mentioned classic scenario..do these same
folks offer a fix bios update? .that would also be an indication of
a bad choice of MB.


"Van Vangor" wrote in message
om...
Hi. I just bought a Shuttle SS51G, RAM, Processor, etc. through
NewEgg and put it together. Unfortunately, I'm getting no POST.
The
Power LED on the front of the case lights up, the fan and drives
spin,
and the LED on the system board lights up. However, I don't get any
video output. There isn't a PC speaker built into this system board,
so I can't hear any beeps. I will never underestimate the value of
a
PC speaker again!

The System Board is a Shuttle FS51 version 2.0. The processor is an
Intel Celeron D Processor 320 (2.40 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, 256K L2
Cache).
The RAM is Geil GE5123200BDC (two matched 256 MB sticks, PC3200,
DDR400, CL=2.5-8-4-4). I currently have no drives hooked up and I'm
using the built-in video port.

I researched the news groups and found that this is a classic
scenario
for this particular unit. It looks like the system board very
particular about the RAM modules.

I've done the clearing of the CMOS procedure several times. I
followed the procedures in the "FS51 Mainboard Manual" on page 27.
Out of desperation, I even tried draining it for 45 minutes instead
of
a few seconds, but it hasn't helped.

I've reseated the processor. I've reseated the RAM. I've swapped
the
RAM modules between the sockets. I've tried using only one RAM
module
at a time (trying each module in the DIMM1 socket at different
times).

Unfortunately, I don't have any other alternate DDR modules here at
work, believe it or not. I'm going to take the unit home tonight
and
swap with some modules that I have there. I have the following RAM
types at home that I can try:
Kingston, Hyper X, 256 MB, PC2700, CL2 (KHX2700K2/512)
Kingston, ValueRAM, 256 MB, PC2100, CL2.5 (KVR266X64C25/256)

Does anybody see anything obviously wrong with my current RAM, CPU,
and System Board combination?

I know that this system board is not supposed to be compatible with
the Prescott core. I don't know what core my Celeron D Processor
320
uses. I went to www.intel.com and looked at the specifications for
the Celeron D Processor 320 but was unable to find the actual core
listed. Does anyone know what core the Celeron D Processor 320
uses?

Thanks for any and all help!

Van

P.S. When I finally fix this problem, I will post the solution.

Gareth:

Thanks for the input. Actually, the SS51G doesn't have a TV Out
connector. I've been using the standard, 15-pin, VGA connector. I
tried a couple of different video cards (both PCI and AGP), just for
fun, but got the same results.

Thanks again for you help,
Van

"Gareth Tuckwell" wrote in message ...
"Van Vangor" wrote in message
om...
Hi. I just bought a Shuttle SS51G, RAM, Processor, etc. through
NewEgg and put it together. Unfortunately, I'm getting no POST. The
Power LED on the front of the case lights up, the fan and drives spin,
and the LED on the system board lights up. However, I don't get any
video output. There isn't a PC speaker built into this system board,
so I can't hear any beeps. I will never underestimate the value of a
PC speaker again!

Obvious thing to check , but are you using the TV out connector on the back?
My shuttle SK41 does (that is why I bought it). But that is not enabled by
default in the bios. If you have it connected to a TV, then you will have to
plug it into a monitor first and enable TV out!

Dan:

Thanks very much for the info. I'm afraid that you might be correct
about the Celeron D not being compatible with the system board.
Interestingly enough, Page 8 in the "FS51 Mainboard Manual" lists the
CPU Support as "Intel Pentium 4 / Celeron, 478-pin processors with
400/533 MHz FSB". In theory, the 2.4 GHz Celeron D Processor 320 fits
that description. It just might be one of these issues where the
system board isn't compatible with the core of this processor, though.

You mentioned that you successfully built an SS51G system using a
Celeron 2.4 GHz. Which model was this processor? Did this have a 400
MHz FSB?

You also mentioned that you successfully built an SS51G system using a
P4 2.26 GHz processor. What specific model was the 2.26Ghz P4 did you
use? Also what was the FSB speed of the P4.

In addition, I tested the Geil RAM in another system (not an SS51G)
and it worked fine. Also, I tried using the following types of RAM in
the SS51G system but got the same results (no POST, no video):
Kingston, Hyper X, 256 MB, PC2700, CL2 (KHX2700K2/512)
Kingston, ValueRAM, 256 MB, PC2100, CL2.5 (KVR266X64C25/256)

I also tried putting video cards in the system. I tried a Sapphire
Radeon 9000Pro in the AGP slot. Then I tried a Sapphire Radeon 7000
in the PCI slot. I still didn't get a POST either way.

I've been building systems for a couple of years. Up to this point,
I've only built full-size ATX systems with Athlon processors and
motherboards from ASUS, MSI, or Gigabyte with either VIA or NVIDIA
chipsets. This was the first time that I've tried putting together a
system with a Shuttle system board (SiS chipset), an Intel processor,
and a small form factor case.

Unfortunately, I don't have another system around here that I can test
the Celeron processor in. Nor do I have any other type of Intel
processor to try in this system.

I'm going to try emailing Shuttle tech support and verify if there's a
known compatibility issue with the Celeron D processor.

Thanks again for your help!

Van


"dg" wrote in message . com...
Yep, I am pretty sure its the Celeron D giving you problems.

I just happen to be building 2 more systems as we speak based on the SS51G.
As I was looking at the docs again I think I am pretty sure that the SS51G
just does not support the 533 FSB of the Celeron D processors. So far I
have built up 3 using 2.4Ghz celerons and 1 using a 2.26Ghz P4, these are
the first small form machines I have ever dealt with and I think they are
just great, I think they will gain even more popularity over time. Cheap
too, a pretty sweet complete box with total cost being about $450.

I really should benchmark 2 identical systems with the only difference being
2.4Ghz cele. vs 2.26Ghz p4.

--Dan

"dg" wrote in message
m...
I don't think the Celeron D processors work with that board. Check to be
sure, but I think thats your problem.

--Dan

"Van Vangor" wrote in message
om...
Dan:

Thanks very much for the info. I'm afraid that you might be correct
about the Celeron D not being compatible with the system board.
Interestingly enough, Page 8 in the "FS51 Mainboard Manual" lists the
CPU Support as "Intel Pentium 4 / Celeron, 478-pin processors with
400/533 MHz FSB". In theory, the 2.4 GHz Celeron D Processor 320 fits
that description. It just might be one of these issues where the
system board isn't compatible with the core of this processor, though.

You mentioned that you successfully built an SS51G system using a
Celeron 2.4 GHz. Which model was this processor? Did this have a 400
MHz FSB?

This is the exact part I ordered, 400mhz FSB:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...112-185&depa=0

You also mentioned that you successfully built an SS51G system using a
P4 2.26 GHz processor. What specific model was the 2.26Ghz P4 did you
use? Also what was the FSB speed of the P4.

Now here is where I insert my foot in my mouth, I checked my order history
and the 2.26GHz DOES have 533FSB, here is the exact part:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-141&depa=0

Interesting, but somehow I still suspect the Cele D.

In addition, I tested the Geil RAM in another system (not an SS51G)
and it worked fine. Also, I tried using the following types of RAM in
the SS51G system but got the same results (no POST, no video):
Kingston, Hyper X, 256 MB, PC2700, CL2 (KHX2700K2/512)
Kingston, ValueRAM, 256 MB, PC2100, CL2.5 (KVR266X64C25/256)

I used "Corsair Value Select 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-2100" on the Celeron
systems.

On the P4 system I used "Corsair TWINX1024-3200PT 1GB Kit DDR400 XMS3200",
it exceeds the need of the SS51G but I had it leftover from another build.

I also tried putting video cards in the system. I tried a Sapphire
Radeon 9000Pro in the AGP slot. Then I tried a Sapphire Radeon 7000
in the PCI slot. I still didn't get a POST either way.

I have used onboard video for all systems except the P4 which uses a
Sapphire Radeon 9200 (Pro?) 64MB.

I've been building systems for a couple of years. Up to this point,
I've only built full-size ATX systems with Athlon processors and
motherboards from ASUS, MSI, or Gigabyte with either VIA or NVIDIA
chipsets. This was the first time that I've tried putting together a
system with a Shuttle system board (SiS chipset), an Intel processor,
and a small form factor case.

Don't let this experience turn you off to the Shuttles, you just ran into a
snag that could have happened with ANY system. I admit, whenever I build a
new system with parts I have never used, there is always a concern in my
mind that SOMETHING isn't compatible for one reason or another. I have had
good luck with Shuttles, every piece of hardware I have tried to use has
worked great.

Thanks again for your help!

No problem, be sure to post your final solution, it might help me in the
future.

--Dan

Dan:

Sorry for the late reply! Again, thanks for your detailed info. The
problem was that the Celeron D processors aren't compatible with the
Shuttle SS51G. The Celeron D 320 has a Prescott core. I sent it back
to NewEgg and paid a 15% restocking fee. I'm just happy that I didn't
have to eat the whole thing.

I ordered a Pentium 4 with the following specifications, instead:
Speed: 2.26 GHz
FSB: 533 MHz
L2 Cache: 512 KB
Co Northwood
Prod Code: BX80532PE2266DSL7V9
New Egg Link: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-141&depa=0

This is the same P4 you used, except I ordered it before I saw your
post. Anyway, the P4 worked like a charm as you already knew.

For grins, here are the other components that I used:
Geil Ultra Series Value Series, PC-3200, 512 MB (2x256 MB)
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...144-309&depa=0
Saphire Radeon9000Pro, 64 MB, 128-bit, DVI/Analog, 4X AGP
NewEgg took it off their offerings in the past couple of
weeks.
The former NewEgg number was N82E16814102230
Western Digital WD800JB 80 GB, 7200 RPM, EIDE (PATA) hard drive,
8 MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/app/SearchProd...bmit=Go&DEPA=0

I've got it setup with dual-monitor support. Both monitors are
attached to the Sapphire video card. The onboard video is disabled.

This is going to be our receptionist's PC. She doesn't start until
next Tuesday. So it hasn't used under a full load for full work day
yet, but I suspect it will be just fine.

I have to build another system in December for another person in the
office. The chances are that I'm going to use one of these shuttles
again.


Thanks again,
Van



"dg" wrote in message om...
"Van Vangor" wrote in message
om...
Dan:

Thanks very much for the info. I'm afraid that you might be correct
about the Celeron D not being compatible with the system board.
Interestingly enough, Page 8 in the "FS51 Mainboard Manual" lists the
CPU Support as "Intel Pentium 4 / Celeron, 478-pin processors with
400/533 MHz FSB". In theory, the 2.4 GHz Celeron D Processor 320 fits
that description. It just might be one of these issues where the
system board isn't compatible with the core of this processor, though.

You mentioned that you successfully built an SS51G system using a
Celeron 2.4 GHz. Which model was this processor? Did this have a 400
MHz FSB?

This is the exact part I ordered, 400mhz FSB:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...112-185&depa=0

You also mentioned that you successfully built an SS51G system using a
P4 2.26 GHz processor. What specific model was the 2.26Ghz P4 did you
use? Also what was the FSB speed of the P4.

Now here is where I insert my foot in my mouth, I checked my order history
and the 2.26GHz DOES have 533FSB, here is the exact part:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-141&depa=0

Interesting, but somehow I still suspect the Cele D.

In addition, I tested the Geil RAM in another system (not an SS51G)
and it worked fine. Also, I tried using the following types of RAM in
the SS51G system but got the same results (no POST, no video):
Kingston, Hyper X, 256 MB, PC2700, CL2 (KHX2700K2/512)
Kingston, ValueRAM, 256 MB, PC2100, CL2.5 (KVR266X64C25/256)

I used "Corsair Value Select 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-2100" on the Celeron
systems.

On the P4 system I used "Corsair TWINX1024-3200PT 1GB Kit DDR400 XMS3200",
it exceeds the need of the SS51G but I had it leftover from another build.

I also tried putting video cards in the system. I tried a Sapphire
Radeon 9000Pro in the AGP slot. Then I tried a Sapphire Radeon 7000
in the PCI slot. I still didn't get a POST either way.

I have used onboard video for all systems except the P4 which uses a
Sapphire Radeon 9200 (Pro?) 64MB.

I've been building systems for a couple of years. Up to this point,
I've only built full-size ATX systems with Athlon processors and
motherboards from ASUS, MSI, or Gigabyte with either VIA or NVIDIA
chipsets. This was the first time that I've tried putting together a
system with a Shuttle system board (SiS chipset), an Intel processor,
and a small form factor case.

Don't let this experience turn you off to the Shuttles, you just ran into a
snag that could have happened with ANY system. I admit, whenever I build a
new system with parts I have never used, there is always a concern in my
mind that SOMETHING isn't compatible for one reason or another. I have had
good luck with Shuttles, every piece of hardware I have tried to use has
worked great.

Thanks again for your help!

No problem, be sure to post your final solution, it might help me in the
future.

--Dan