Intel new gaming P4

"The little lost angel" wrote in
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Erm, unless it's bait and switch, I've been told a Opteron 144 WITH a
motherboard going for significantly less than US$750 too! :PpPP

Is there any reason why the A64FX is going to more expensive than a
full blown Opteron?

My assumption is that an A64FX is just a renamed Opteron 100-series. Neither
of them are capable of multiprocessor operation and both of them can do
dual-channel RAM. However, it might be likely that the A64FX will be able to
use non-registered RAM as opposed to the Opteron 100's.

Yousuf Khan

Shuttle is a nice form factor - why should a PC be the size of a fridge?
Relatively light as well, although I'd prefer a 25mm wider/deeper case,
then they could have used a bigger fan on the PSU - 80mm or 92mm.

Same with the case - however, compact is their asset and valuable.
Sure, you can fit 4x 1U rack cases in a similar space to a few Shuttles.
However, try getting 4x 1U rack cases anywhere near the same noise.

Mini-ITX is another useful one - altho the P4 boards are pricey, it is
dissappointing to see the broadening use of E-ATX vs using ATX.
There are Dual-CPU boards in ATX format tho - Athlon & Xeon, not
sure if there's a Dual-Opteron in ATX format however.

For compute servers, E-ATX wastes a lot of case-depth real-estate.
Prevents double-depth cases often, and so hindrance vs help.
--
Dorothy Bradbury
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dorothy...ry/panaflo.htm (Direct)

Shuttle is a nice form factor - why should a PC be the size of a fridge?
Relatively light as well, although I'd prefer a 25mm wider/deeper case,
then they could have used a bigger fan on the PSU - 80mm or 92mm.

Same with the case - however, compact is their asset and valuable.
Sure, you can fit 4x 1U rack cases in a similar space to a few Shuttles.
However, try getting 4x 1U rack cases anywhere near the same noise.

Mini-ITX is another useful one - altho the P4 boards are pricey, it is
dissappointing to see the broadening use of E-ATX vs using ATX.
There are Dual-CPU boards in ATX format tho - Athlon & Xeon, not
sure if there's a Dual-Opteron in ATX format however.

For compute servers, E-ATX wastes a lot of case-depth real-estate.
Prevents double-depth cases often, and so hindrance vs help.
--
Dorothy Bradbury
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dorothy...ry/panaflo.htm (Direct)

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:09:12 GMT, The General
wrote:
But at least it would be a serious contender. At $2,000 a chip, it's
marketing BS.

Intel did not disclose the price of the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition. It
likely will be as expensive as its counterpart, the 2.8GHz Xeon with 2MB
cache. That chip sells for $3,692 in quantities of 1,000.

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5077654.html

There is NO WAY IN HELL that Intel would price this chip at $3692!
Not a chance! Even if the die may be identical, these two chips are
TOTALLY different processors. The XeonMP is intended for at least
dual-processor servers, and it's mostly only used in 4 or 8-way SMP
servers. The P4EE is a desktop part.

For comparison sake, the difference between these two chips is much
less than the difference between the AMD Opteron 100 series and the
800 series, but while the 100 series sell for a few hundred dollars,
the 800 series starts at $2,000.

The P4EE will be priced about the same as an Athlon64 FX, or probably
about $600-$800.

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla underscore 20 at yahoo dot ca

DS:

What's a 1000_clam$ to INTEL? Nothing makes "noise", like the sound of
money being thrown away. Takes ones mind off the competition. INTEL like
M$ can afford to do that.

ray hartman
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David Schwartz wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:13:51 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"



wrote:


Intel is introducing a new Pentium 4 version for gaming, sporting 2MB of

L2

cache, known as Pentium 4 Extreme Edition. Sounds like a single-processor
Xeon to me:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&cid=581&ncid=581&e=2&u=/nm/20030917/tc_nm/tech_intel_gaming_dc


ok, here's the cynic's view: this is marketing poofery strictly positioned

to

clutter up the Athlon64's open field...


/daytripper (but then I could be wrong ;-)


If they cost $2,000 apiece, I'll agree with you. If they cost $750
apiece, I'll disagree with you.

DS

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:38:13 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
wrote:

Separating himself from Baghdad Bob, (The
little lost angel) whined:

Erm, unless it's bait and switch, I've been told a Opteron 144 WITH a
motherboard going for significantly less than US$750 too! :PpPP

Lowest Opteron 144 bundle price on www.pricewatch.com is $661.

That must include memory? I see bottom end Opterons and Asus NForce3 mbrds
mbrds for a combined ~$500. at Newegg.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

ray hartman wrote in
:

DS:

What's a 1000_clam$ to INTEL? Nothing makes "noise", like the sound of
money being thrown away. Takes ones mind off the competition. INTEL
like M$ can afford to do that.

[snip everything but the top posted bit]

Are you suggesting Intel is going to lose money on these chips? Not a
chance, unless they sell them for about $50, which seems unlikely.

"Tony Hill" wrote in message
.com...

....

For comparison sake, the difference between these two chips is much
less than the difference between the AMD Opteron 100 series and the
800 series, but while the 100 series sell for a few hundred dollars,
the 800 series starts at $2,000.

Last I knew, the 100 series prices ran from $229 to $669, and the 800 series
prices ran from $740 to $3199.

- bill