Writing on CDR's

In article . net,
"Tim Kroesen" wrote:
"Theo" wrote in message
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"normanstrong" wrote in
newsTQSb.152916$nt4.706795@attbi_s51:

I agree, but make sure you have a bottle of alcohol near by. If
you make a mistake, you can wipe it off immediately and redo it.

I thought alcohol was supposed to be bad for CDRs.

Soaking overnight may be bad... Wiping off the marks of an Alcohol based
pen like a Sharpie is likely to cause no more 'damage' than the marker
itself. None have demonstrated that relatively inert (to CD topping
Lacquer) Alcohol can cause damage cleaning off writing; rather the

Nonetheless, many CDR packs carry a warning in the fine print that
says NOT to use alcohol-based inks for writing on the things.

I mentioned several brands of "CDR Pens" previously, but one I didn't
mention (because I've forgotten the name, and it's not here %-)
actually claimed to be "water based". I had real doubts about how
well it would work as such inks tend not to stick on hard shiney
surfaces. But it seems to be okay, if you're not *too* impatient. It
was available in Fine in a four-colour pack (from OfficeWorks in Oz
IIRC).

I'd really like to know if there is any formulation difference between
the Staedtler LUMOCOLOR OHP series and their "CD-R PEN", or whether
this new model for CDRs is just a marketing ploy. It's of some
practical interest, because the OHP pens are commonly available in
three size ranges (Superfine, Fine, and Medium) and in six-colour
packs as well as individual colours; whereas the "CD-R PEN" is only in
Medium/Black around here, and not readily available anyway.

'damage' claims refer to 'dye migration' (the substances left after the
vehicle solvent evaporates that make the mark visible) into the
substrate over time. Possible I'd agree it might be an issue; but more
likely hoodoo IMO.

If Sharpies 'dye' do indeed damage CD surfaces it must take many more
Years than they have already been used; otherwise we'd be up to our ears
by now in *evidence* they do... Note that *some* markers where shown to
damage CD top Lacquer in the past; they likely contained much 'rougher'
vehicle solvents than Alcohol...


Cheers, Phred.

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LID

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:58:36 GMT, "Mary"
wrote:

"Rick Pali" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
"Mary" wrote:

Thats what I thought, except as Buddy, who posted
another message pointed out, if the pen is too sharp,
it could maybe damage the CDR.

True, but any marker I've seen labeled as 'CD safe' has been a felt-tipped
marker and those are more difficult to push too hard with!

If a CD is something I'm locking away for archival storage I tend not to
label them on the disc surface at all. Call me paranoid but better safe
than
sorry.

Well, its a matter of personal choice. Do you just keep an alphabetical list
of the CD's you store? I mostly back up some game CD's once in a while and
just write the name of the game on the piece of paper included in the CD
jewel case. I also usually just write the name of the game and disc number
on the CD. Personally, I don't like to write a lot of stuff on the CD.

Mary



I always write the date that the CD was burned so that at a later time
if I run into a bad CD I can check others from the same time period.

As a matter of fact that practice came in handy recently when I was
"refreshing" some backup CD's from 1999-2000.

I came across a couple of bad TY's (lots of errors, but still
readable). When I examined other TY's from the same period I found a
few more disks that were suspect and probably from the same batch of
disks.



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Reply to:
Andrew Reid

"Andrew Reid" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:58:36 GMT, "Mary"
wrote:
Well, its a matter of personal choice. Do you just keep an alphabetical
list
of the CD's you store? I mostly back up some game CD's once in a while
and
just write the name of the game on the piece of paper included in the CD
jewel case. I also usually just write the name of the game and disc
number
on the CD. Personally, I don't like to write a lot of stuff on the CD.

Mary



I always write the date that the CD was burned so that at a later time
if I run into a bad CD I can check others from the same time period.

As a matter of fact that practice came in handy recently when I was
"refreshing" some backup CD's from 1999-2000.

I came across a couple of bad TY's (lots of errors, but still
readable). When I examined other TY's from the same period I found a
few more disks that were suspect and probably from the same batch of
disks.

Seems like it could be a good idea. I guess everybody has their own ways of
sorting and keeping track of their CD's.

Mary

Thanks to all who replied to my post about writing on CD's. I have gotten a
lot of good ideas from all of you. I usually look in on this NG to learn
what I can.

Mary

A whiff of a 'CDR' "Safe" Pen will reveal something startling...g

Tim K

"Phred" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
"Tim Kroesen" wrote:
"Theo" wrote in message
.. .
"normanstrong" wrote in
newsTQSb.152916$nt4.706795@attbi_s51:

I agree, but make sure you have a bottle of alcohol near by. If
you make a mistake, you can wipe it off immediately and redo it.

I thought alcohol was supposed to be bad for CDRs.

Soaking overnight may be bad... Wiping off the marks of an Alcohol
based
pen like a Sharpie is likely to cause no more 'damage' than the
marker
itself. None have demonstrated that relatively inert (to CD topping
Lacquer) Alcohol can cause damage cleaning off writing; rather the

Nonetheless, many CDR packs carry a warning in the fine print that
says NOT to use alcohol-based inks for writing on the things.

I mentioned several brands of "CDR Pens" previously, but one I didn't
mention (because I've forgotten the name, and it's not here %-)
actually claimed to be "water based". I had real doubts about how
well it would work as such inks tend not to stick on hard shiney
surfaces. But it seems to be okay, if you're not *too* impatient. It
was available in Fine in a four-colour pack (from OfficeWorks in Oz
IIRC).

I'd really like to know if there is any formulation difference between
the Staedtler LUMOCOLOR OHP series and their "CD-R PEN", or whether
this new model for CDRs is just a marketing ploy. It's of some
practical interest, because the OHP pens are commonly available in
three size ranges (Superfine, Fine, and Medium) and in six-colour
packs as well as individual colours; whereas the "CD-R PEN" is only in
Medium/Black around here, and not readily available anyway.

'damage' claims refer to 'dye migration' (the substances left after
the
vehicle solvent evaporates that make the mark visible) into the
substrate over time. Possible I'd agree it might be an issue; but
more
likely hoodoo IMO.

If Sharpies 'dye' do indeed damage CD surfaces it must take many more
Years than they have already been used; otherwise we'd be up to our
ears
by now in *evidence* they do... Note that *some* markers where shown
to
damage CD top Lacquer in the past; they likely contained much
'rougher'
vehicle solvents than Alcohol...


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

"Tim Kroesen" wrote in news:iMzTb.6797$jH6.341
@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:

A whiff of a 'CDR' "Safe" Pen will reveal something startling...g

Pink elephants flying around?

It makes me feel a lot funnier than huffing Distilata...!...g

See!

Tim K

"Theo" wrote in message
...
"Tim Kroesen" wrote in
news:iMzTb.6797$jH6.341
@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:

A whiff of a 'CDR' "Safe" Pen will reveal something startling...g

Pink elephants flying around?