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Testing Motherboards??
I have 3 motherboards none of which work. I guess they went on strike ;-)
None of them look like they were fried. Is there a reputable outfit around that could hook up these boards and run diagnostic tests? and do they charge more than the value of the boards for the testing and/or replacement of a capacitor or two? Or are there any computer progs that could help out? I already have a collection of CPUs, fans, memory chips etc, etc. Matching them up and getting them to run again should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) TIA |
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Testing Motherboards??
RF wrote:
I have 3 motherboards none of which work. I guess they went on strike ;-) None of them look like they were fried. Is there a reputable outfit around that could hook up these boards and run diagnostic tests? and do they charge more than the value of the boards for the testing and/or replacement of a capacitor or two? Or are there any computer progs that could help out? I already have a collection of CPUs, fans, memory chips etc, etc. Matching them up and getting them to run again should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) TIA I just bought a few *new* motherboards for about $50 each, so there is no way you'd find anyone to repair them economically. However, if you have CPU's and RAM for them... might as well try re-setting the bios... that sometimes gets "dead" mobo's working again |
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:26:47 -0700, "RF"
wrote: I have 3 motherboards none of which work. I guess they went on strike ;-) None of them look like they were fried. Is there a reputable outfit around that could hook up these boards and run diagnostic tests? and do they charge more than the value of the boards for the testing and/or replacement of a capacitor or two? Or are there any computer progs that could help out? I already have a collection of CPUs, fans, memory chips etc, etc. Matching them up and getting them to run again should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) TIA No, their value is far lower than diagnostics fees, particularly anyone competent enough to find more difficult falures. IE - they may easily take the money and either say they can't find the fault or make up something infeasible to repair (they may believe the diagnosis but it could take many hours to find some kinds of faults). However there are a few things you can try yourself. Start out with known constants, all parts known or at least believed to be compatible, and known to be in working order besides the motherboards. Take the battery out, check it's voltage (some boards will not post without high enough battery voltage), clear CMOS, inspect capacitors (on the board itself it is possible but rare that a capacitor fails and yet doesn't vent, or explode leaving an empty spot with partial leads remaining), cards, slots, cables. Ideally a board is tried outside of the case on a non-conductive (not ESD dissipative) surface. It still won't be worth the time, but as a hobby or learning experience, or if you are just a glutton for punishment you may get a few of them working. Beyond a POST card, no there are no programs to help you out, at least not on an individual level though I am sure there is a jig and a program the manufacturers themselves use to test in-house, one that they are not going to share with the outside world. If you just need some spare old motherboards to complete a few systems with other parts you have lying around, make friends with the grunts at a local computer shop. They'll often have excess old boards from systems that they parted out because a customer brought one in and it wasn't worth the cost to repair it or even salvage data and reinstall the OS and apps... not when a new low end Dell/HP/etc can be had for a hundred or two more and will not only run circles aroud an old system, it'll also have more of it's viable lifespan remaining, come with a modern OS (Win2k and older based system owners are now finding more and more popular software like Turbotax, AVG, etc, will not be supported on win2k anymore and in some cases that means there are functionality bugs that they are not going to fix even if in theory apps that are bug-free and work on xp ought to run on 2k too, until a developer depends on features not back-ported to 2k at least). Anyway I used to sell a fair amount of bulk supplies to local PC shops in a metropolitan area. They'd give me a box of boards for the asking sometimes, other times at $5 each or in trade for something trivial. A good 2/3rds of them (besides the ones that had burst capacitors) were still good, or good again after a battery swap and CMOS clear). That's a good way to get cheap OEM cases too, if you don't mind the hassle of having to trace the pinout for the front panel LEDs and switches and have a spare connector or two lying around. |
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:26:47 -0700, "RF"
wrote: I have 3 motherboards none of which work. I guess they went on strike ;-) None of them look like they were fried. Is there a reputable outfit around that could hook up these boards and run diagnostic tests? and do they charge more than the value of the boards for the testing and/or replacement of a capacitor or two? Or are there any computer progs that could help out? I already have a collection of CPUs, fans, memory chips etc, etc. Matching them up and getting them to run again should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) TIA You might also get old boards rather cheap if not the cost of shipping alone on a FS/FT web forum like the following (or one local to you if not in the continental US), or of course an auction 'site like ebay. At least with some of these options there is the possiblity of finding something the owner claims, and hopefully guarantees, works still. http://forums.anandtech.com/categori...lcache=3428745 http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...nterth read=y |
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RF wrote: I have 3 motherboards none of which work. I guess they went on strike ;-) None of them look like they were fried. Is there a reputable outfit around that could hook up these boards and run diagnostic tests? and do they charge more than the value of the boards for the testing and/or replacement of a capacitor or two? Or are there any computer progs that could help out? I already have a collection of CPUs, fans, memory chips etc, etc. Matching them up and getting them to run again should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) I just bought a few *new* motherboards for about $50 each, so there is no way you'd find anyone to repair them economically. However, if you have CPU's and RAM for them... might as well try re-setting the bios... that sometimes gets "dead" mobo's working again Check the CMOS batteries, which will also reset the CMOSes. Test the boards without RAM first. If one complains then it might be OK, otherwise the board's probably toast. -- -- Marten Kemp (Fix name and ISP to reply) |
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"Marten Kemp" wrote in message m... philo wrote: RF wrote: I have 3 motherboards none of which work. I guess they went on strike ;-) None of them look like they were fried. Is there a reputable outfit around that could hook up these boards and run diagnostic tests? and do they charge more than the value of the boards for the testing and/or replacement of a capacitor or two? Or are there any computer progs that could help out? I already have a collection of CPUs, fans, memory chips etc, etc. Matching them up and getting them to run again should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) I just bought a few *new* motherboards for about $50 each, so there is no way you'd find anyone to repair them economically. However, if you have CPU's and RAM for them... might as well try re-setting the bios... that sometimes gets "dead" mobo's working again Check the CMOS batteries, which will also reset the CMOSes. Test the boards without RAM first. If one complains then it might be OK, otherwise the board's probably toast. -- -- Marten Kemp (Fix name and ISP to reply) Thanks Marten for your suggestion. The computer clock is keeping accurate time so I expect that the battery is ok, but I will check that later and will also remove the memory chips in the test. I have other interesting news to post - below. |
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From: "kony" Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Testing Motherboards?? On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:26:47 -0700, "RF" wrote: I have 3 motherboards none of which work. I guess they went on strike ;-) None of them look like they were fried. Is there a reputable outfit around that could hook up these boards and run diagnostic tests? and do they charge more than the value of the boards for the testing and/or replacement of a capacitor or two? Or are there any computer progs that could help out? I already have a collection of CPUs, fans, memory chips etc, etc. Matching them up and getting them to run again should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) TIA You might also get old boards rather cheap if not the cost of shipping alone on a FS/FT web forum like the following (or one local to you if not in the continental US), or of course an auction 'site like ebay. At least with some of these options there is the possiblity of finding something the owner claims, and hopefully guarantees, works still. http://forums.anandtech.com/categori...lcache=3428745 http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...=2244196&enter thread=y Something wierd is going on here. I am using OE (last gasp choice!) in the old box for this communication and it seems to have lost some of my responses to this group. It is unlikely to be a problem with the hard disk on this old box - it has been tested and cleaned up and I have SP4 installed. Oh, well - just another gremlin ;-) Thank you Kony and Philo. I am now splitting the time between getting a new motherboard and satisfying my curiousity. I did some things along the lines you both suggested. First I stripped out all the unnecessary components and then switched everything off and shorted the BIOS - nothing new discovered. While doing that I thought about a test prog that I used way back - I wanted some info about the CPU but I couldn't remember the name of the prog and spent a while browsing a disk that was on the newer box when the crash came and is now on the old. Finally I found it - SiSoftSandra. I copied the .exe to the newer box where I had a test Win2K installation running - minus SP4. I ran SiSoft on the CPU and the results blew my mind. Here is the report: Processor Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.26GHz Co-Processor (FPU) : Built-in Speed : 2.27GHz Performance Rating : PR2494 (estimated) Type : Standard Package : FC µPGA478 Rated Speed/FSB : 2260MHz / 4x 133MHz Multiplier : 17x Generation : 7 (7x86) Name : P4N (Northwood) Pentium 4 1.6-3.4G 1.5-1.6V Revision/Stepping : 2 / 9 (9) Stepping Mask : D1 Core Voltage Rating : 1.550V Part Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M. Asset Tag : To Be Filled By O.E.M. Serial Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M. Processor Cache(s) Internal Data Cache : 8kB Synchronous Write-Thru (4-way sectored, 64 byte line size) Internal Trace Cache : 12kµops Synchronous Write-Thru (8-way, 64 byte line size) L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous ATC (8-way sectored, 64 byte line size) L2 Cache Multiplier : 1/1x (2267MHz) Host Interface(s) Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 133MHz (532MHz data rate) Upgradeability Socket/Slot : J2E1 Upgrade Interface : Socket 478 Supported Speed(s) : 3.06GHz+ Environment Monitor 1 Model : AD ADM1027 SMB Mainboard Specific Support : No Power Rating(s) CPU Core Power : 57W (estimated) Sensors CPU Temperature : 25.0°C / 77.0°F td Auto Fan Speed Control : Yes CPU Fan Speed : 917rpm CPU Voltage : 1.51V Features FPU - Co-Processor Built-in : Yes VME - Virtual Mode Extensions : Yes DE - Debugging Extension : Yes PSE - Page Size Extension : Yes TSC - Time Stamp Counter : Yes MSR - Model Specific Registers : Yes PAE - Physical Address Extension : Yes MCE - Machine Check Exception : Yes CX8 - Compare & Exchange Instruction : Yes APIC - Local APIC Built-in : Yes SEP - Fast System Call : Yes MTRR - Memory Type Range Registers : Yes PGE - Page Global Enable : Yes MCA - Machine Check Architecture : Yes CMOV - Conditional Move Instruction : Yes PAT - Page Attribute Table : Yes PSE36 - 36-bit Page Size Extension : Yes PSN - Unique Serial Number : No CLF - Cache Line Flush Support : Yes DS - Debug Trace & EMON Store : Yes ACPI - Software Clock Control : Yes MMX Technology : Yes FXSR - Fast Float Save & Restore : Yes SSE Technology : Yes SSE2 Technology : Yes SS - Self Snoop : Yes HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : No TM - Thermal Monitor : Yes SBF - Signal Break on FERR : Yes IA-64 Technology : No SSE3 Technology : No MON - Monitor/MWait : No DSCPL - CPL qualified Debug Store : No TM2 - Thermal Monitor 2 : No CID - Context ID : Yes DAZ - Denormals Are Zero : Yes Advanced Settings Data Error Checking : No Fast Strings : Yes x86 FPU Compatibility Mode : No Prefetch Queue : Yes Branch Trace Storage : Yes Data Cache Active Mode : Yes IO Queue Depth : 12 request(s) Thermal Monitor Enabled : Yes Machine Check Architecture Settings Number of Reporting Banks : 4 bank(s) Extended Machine Check Support : Yes Number of Extended Reporting Banks : 12 bank(s) Variable Range MTRR Settings MTRR 0 : 00000000-3FFFFFFF (0MB-1024MB) WB Fixed Range MTRR Settings MTRR 0 Range 0 : 00000000-0000FFFF (0kB-64kB) WB MTRR 0 Range 1 : 00010000-0001FFFF (64kB-128kB) WB snipped out - all similar ..MTRR 10 Range 6 : 000FE000-000FEFFF (1016kB-1020kB) WB ..MTRR 10 Range 7 : 000FF000-000FFFFF (1020kB-1024kB) WB PAT Settings PAT 0 : WB PAT 1 : WC PAT 2 : UC- PAT 3 : UC PAT 4 : WB PAT 5 : WC PAT 6 : UC- PAT 7 : UC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I had a tip and a warning: Tip T210 - The main board supports faster CPUs so you don't need to upgrade the main board when you decide to install a new CPU. However, a new main board will yield faster performance with a new CPU simply because it will use a new chipset. Fix: Nothing to fix. The Warning 216 was: Warning W216 - The CPU fan has failed. This should appear only if the CPU has a fan with tachometer installed, connected correctly to the main board data capturing chip. Fix: Power down your system immediately. Open the case and check that the CPU fan is working and the heat sink is not unusually hot. Make sure the CPU has good all-round ventilation. SiSoftware Sandra Help File -------------------------------------------------- Back to me :-) The fan ran hot for a very short while - possibly 15 mins. Fortunately I was able to shut down quickly just when the fan was barely able to rotate. The fan hub was very hot - the aluminum heat sink was not very hot. I checked all the capacitors on the board and there were no bulges in any. There were no traces of damage on the board around the CPU - the thermal compound looked soft and very normal. The air flow around the CPU had no impediments - the fan problem undoubtedly was due to lack of lubrication - the need for which was completely hidden by the Spire company. The time of the fan failure was not given, and I am astonished at how SiSoft could tell now that a crash happened a week ago - could there be some data cache on the motherboard? It is a SiSoft 2003 version. The fact that the OS acted up after that incident may have been due to an unrelated cause. I still need to do some more checking on the newer motherboard and will check for some Intel test progs and possibly a BIOS upgrade. Thanks to you all for your interest and help. |
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