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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
Now that Win8 seems to be established, can we expect to see some cheaper W7s
available for home builders? Know of any? Still running XP on all desktops, but recent laptop acquisition came with 7 - I like it, but prohibitively expensive to buy for my desktops. Anyone? |
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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
Laurence wrote:
Now that Win8 seems to be established, can we expect to see some cheaper W7s available for home builders? Know of any? Still running XP on all desktops, but recent laptop acquisition came with 7 - I like it, but prohibitively expensive to buy for my desktops. Anyone? Not going to happen. And you're a prime example of why. WinXP user, nearing end of support (Apr.2014), looking for replacement OS, and seeking Windows 7 rather than Windows 8 (or 8.1). People like yourself, will create "demand" for the Windows 7 disc, and with "demand", comes a high price, not a low price. Paul |
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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
Paul nospam needed.com wrote:
Laurence wrote: Now that Win8 seems to be established, can we expect to see some cheaper W7s available for home builders? Know of any? Still running XP on all desktops, but recent laptop acquisition came with 7 - I like it, but prohibitively expensive to buy for my desktops. Anyone? Not going to happen. True. But if you know what you're doing, you might be able to find some reasonably priced copies on fleabay. Windows 8.0 might be found for 40 to 45 dollars. And you're a prime example of why. WinXP user, nearing end of support (Apr.2014), looking for replacement OS, and seeking Windows 7 rather than Windows 8 (or 8.1). People like yourself, will create "demand" for the Windows 7 disc, and with "demand", comes a high price, not a low price. Using reason and logic doesn't work when dealing with Microsoft. Microsoft holds monopoly power over desktop software. Supply and demand doesn't work when dealing with monopoly power. You're right in your answer that it won't be cheaper. But the reason it won't be cheaper is because Microsoft controls pricing and coerces people into using the latest and greatest Windows. And the reason it does that is so that more people will use Microsoft's latest monopoly protecting innovations. Microsoft wants you to follow its lead, and it controls prices. |
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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 05:11:23 -0400, Paul wrote:
Laurence wrote: Now that Win8 seems to be established, can we expect to see some cheaper W7s available for home builders? Know of any? Still running XP on all desktops, but recent laptop acquisition came with 7 - I like it, but prohibitively expensive to buy for my desktops. Anyone? Not going to happen. And you're a prime example of why. WinXP user, nearing end of support (Apr.2014), looking for replacement OS, and seeking Windows 7 rather than Windows 8 (or 8.1). People like yourself, will create "demand" for the Windows 7 disc, and with "demand", comes a high price, not a low price. Dead right. I just bought a last-year's model laptop for the ground floor to save myself climbing 2 flights to get to my desktop. I deliberately chose a Samsung series 3 because it came with Win7 Pro rather than Win8. -- Robin Bignall Herts, England |
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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
"Paul" wrote in message ... Laurence wrote: Now that Win8 seems to be established, can we expect to see some cheaper W7s available for home builders? Know of any? Still running XP on all desktops, but recent laptop acquisition came with 7 - I like it, but prohibitively expensive to buy for my desktops. Anyone? Not going to happen. And you're a prime example of why. WinXP user, nearing end of support (Apr.2014), looking for replacement OS, and seeking Windows 7 rather than Windows 8 (or 8.1). People like yourself, will create "demand" for the Windows 7 disc, and with "demand", comes a high price, not a low price. Paul Thats funny - "end of support for XP" never even occurred to me - never ever thought of looking to microsoft for support with windows, newsgroups are much more knowledgeable. All M$ do it chuck loads of files to gum up my hdd to fix problems that should not have been there in the first place. If any other software product needed that many patches or fixes the publisher would be lambasted for sheer incompetence! Perhaps they can't afford to employ competent staff - hardly! Must be that no-one with any ability or self respect will work for them |
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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
Laurence wrote:
Thats funny - "end of support for XP" never even occurred to me - never ever thought of looking to microsoft for support with windows, newsgroups are much more knowledgeable. All M$ do it chuck loads of files to gum up my hdd to fix problems that should not have been there in the first place. If any other software product needed that many patches or fixes the publisher would be lambasted for sheer incompetence! Perhaps they can't afford to employ competent staff - hardly! Must be that no-one with any ability or self respect will work for them I guess I didn't explain that in enough detail End of support means two things. 1) Passive response. Microsoft stops issuing security updates. A person could "survive" without that. 2) Active response. Microsoft, on purpose, introduces new software technologies. For example, there is a possibility they will invent something to replace .NET. Software will go on sale, and, it won't run on WinXP, because the new library technology (whatever it turns out to be), won't be available for WinXP. My copy of Win2K, I stopped using it because of (2). It was a perfectly good OS. But, when I wanted to test any 3D game demos, little bugs would show up, put there on purpose by Microsoft. They'd introduce changes to DirectX, make DirectX check for WinXP, and deny operation on Win2K. It's the "wedge" from (2), that pushes people away from their OSes. When you see things announced, want to use your old OS to try them, and they don't work (sabotaged on purpose). So yes, you don't need any help from Microsoft (in terms of those security updates). But, it'll be the evil things they do behind the scenes, that will help get you to "move on". Paul |
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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
Paul wrote:
Laurence wrote: Thats funny - "end of support for XP" never even occurred to me - never ever thought of looking to microsoft for support with windows, newsgroups are much more knowledgeable. End of support means two things. 1) Passive response. Microsoft stops issuing security updates. A person could "survive" without that. 2) Active response. Microsoft, on purpose, introduces new software technologies... So yes, you don't need any help from Microsoft (in terms of those security updates). But, it'll be the evil things they do behind the scenes, that will help get you to "move on". Yeah, that's why. The OS (XP) started failing here in various little ways. Windows 8 is ugly in my setup and there are lots of little bugs, but it works because it handles all of the new technologies better. I needed an upgrade to the basic OS functionallity. |
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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:48:47 +0100, "Laurence"
wrote: All M$ do it chuck loads of files to gum up my hdd to fix problems that should not have been there in the first place. Given a wide enough platform of program resources, within what's being attempted, none of that is of course necessary when provided acceptable alternatives. What hurts, though, and eventually will kill XP, is hardware and links to the OS. When something desired is newly manufactured, say a peripheral USB device for processing audio streaming, and that manufacturer's inhouse program staff doesn't write a supportive layering to include the XP interface, the options narrow into at least running such as dual-boot, with something more advanced than XP in order to effect the purchase. It's no more than the mean status quo, which in marketing terms will come to be factored for what a given market will bear, over the incentive to produce products, well within a post-XP market, at a breakover point of foreseeable profit margins XP may, more or less, exert to distract in equating worth for valid viability when the decision is made in effect for having chosen not to write in the XP support drivers. |
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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
"Flasherly" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:48:47 +0100, "Laurence" wrote: All M$ do it chuck loads of files to gum up my hdd to fix problems that should not have been there in the first place. Given a wide enough platform of program resources, within what's being attempted, none of that is of course necessary when provided acceptable alternatives. What hurts, though, and eventually will kill XP, is hardware and links to the OS. When something desired is newly manufactured, say a peripheral USB device for processing audio streaming, and that manufacturer's inhouse program staff doesn't write a supportive layering to include the XP interface, the options narrow into at least running such as dual-boot, with something more advanced than XP in order to effect the purchase. It's no more than the mean status quo, which in marketing terms will come to be factored for what a given market will bear, over the incentive to produce products, well within a post-XP market, at a breakover point of foreseeable profit margins XP may, more or less, exert to distract in equating worth for valid viability when the decision is made in effect for having chosen not to write in the XP support drivers. But was it DOS 5.1 or 6.22 that was as good as ever we needed. Because it had to compete with DRDos? - no competition now = fat & lazy spend the money on marketing and legal department |
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Cheaper Windows 7 yet?
On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:55:53 +0100, "Laurence"
wrote: "Flasherly" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:48:47 +0100, "Laurence" wrote: All M$ do it chuck loads of files to gum up my hdd to fix problems that should not have been there in the first place. Given a wide enough platform of program resources, within what's being attempted, none of that is of course necessary when provided acceptable alternatives. What hurts, though, and eventually will kill XP, is hardware and links to the OS. When something desired is newly manufactured, say a peripheral USB device for processing audio streaming, and that manufacturer's inhouse program staff doesn't write a supportive layering to include the XP interface, the options narrow into at least running such as dual-boot, with something more advanced than XP in order to effect the purchase. It's no more than the mean status quo, which in marketing terms will come to be factored for what a given market will bear, over the incentive to produce products, well within a post-XP market, at a breakover point of foreseeable profit margins XP may, more or less, exert to distract in equating worth for valid viability when the decision is made in effect for having chosen not to write in the XP support drivers. But was it DOS 5.1 or 6.22 that was as good as ever we needed. Because it had to compete with DRDos? - no competition now = fat & lazy spend the money on marketing and legal department I'm still running 4DOS (4NT) within a parsed-out XP CMD extension for Norton Commander to come up on. Vaguely works for an occasional jolt into blasts from the past, aliases and environmental variables withstanding. The fat&lazy GUI was unquestionably more intuitive than the command line, that, and a valid need to fulfill technology-driven advancements to reap roughly a present 4Ghz core. Stalled. Yea -- besides, there's the know-how behind it all, not a small feat, nor ought that be surprising as a major impediment to the 'I want it Now' generation;- hohum, along with playing games for the copyright freaks practising monopolistic hegemony;- so, what we have here is a big, bad drag, apparently -- just time to freshen up the scene with computer literacy devolving into an offset of corporate dominance from marketing handheld devices of conjoined dependencies on distributed resources and subscription leased contracts. Capitalism, mind, is a juggernaut with idealistic materialism that greases its tracks;- Whereas serving a benevolent purpose is of an antithetical nature to driving continued and sustained profits for the purpose of profit. Any philanthropic misgivings you may have regarding DRDos, dear fellow, is simply antidotal to planned obsolescence. |
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