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kodak ectochrome slides (info & history)
Hi all, recently during my scanning project I've come accross some old family slides in the ectochrome format, they are larger than the 35mm type and they are square rather than rectangular. They are also RED, meaning everything is in the hue of red. When I scan these (using vuescan) and run them through photoshop for tweaking I'm able to "restore" what looks like the original color of the pictures themselves. My question's are regarding ectochrome itself, was this a transitional color format introduced at the time (these slides are from 1958-59) were they meant to provide a bit of red hue to slides as opposed to a typical black & white of the time? Does anyone have any info or links that gives a bit about the history (and reasons) for this type of slide format? any information would be appreciated. Thanks |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:18:05 GMT, "sammy" wrote:
Sammy, The film was/is called Ektachrome with an "a." Ektachromes are still around, and in fact they will be around long after Kodachrome disappears into history. I've always preferred Kodachrome to Ektachromes for their color stability, as you are now seeing. I'm just taking a SWAG here about the format. I started doing photography about 1956 using a Kodak "Brownie" camera. It used 127-format "roll film," which is about 1.4" across. Unlike 35 mm film, it required a paper backing. Frame numbers were printed on the paper backing, and you wound the film after each exposure until you saw the next frame number appear in a small circular window in the back of the camera. You probably have "superslides," which are explained he http://www.frugalphotographer.com/catSuperSlide.htm Here is an interesting website, should you ever have the urge to buy any roll films. http://www.fotoimpex.de/Home/films/e...ody_e-127.html For more information, try this Google search (without the quotes) "127 roll film" Hi all, recently during my scanning project I've come accross some old family slides in the ectochrome format, they are larger than the 35mm type and they are square rather than rectangular. They are also RED, meaning everything is in the hue of red. When I scan these (using vuescan) and run them through photoshop for tweaking I'm able to "restore" what looks like the original color of the pictures themselves. My question's are regarding ectochrome itself, was this a transitional color format introduced at the time (these slides are from 1958-59) were they meant to provide a bit of red hue to slides as opposed to a typical black & white of the time? Does anyone have any info or links that gives a bit about the history (and reasons) for this type of slide format? any information would be appreciated. Thanks |
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Thanks for the info and proper keywords, I now know what I'm dealing with, they are indeed 127 roll superslides mounted in the same frame size as 35mm. There's only one thing I didn't get clarified, my pictures are red, very definitely red, in fact I could describe them as being sort of "greyscale" only in a red hue, there is no other colour in the slide. Was this how it would have looked in 1959? or is this actually what severe fading looks like in this particular film type? I have come across other typical faded 35mm slides processed by other than kodachrome, but I have never seen slides faded to red. On another note, I scanned some "professional store bought" slides (sold at tourist stores in 1963) and these 35mm slides were also red, and when I tried to color correct them, they stayed red, meaning I don't think there was ever any color on the film. can you shed any light on red? sammy |
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"sammy" wrote in message
... Thanks for the info and proper keywords, I now know what I'm dealing with, they are indeed 127 roll superslides mounted in the same frame size as 35mm. There's only one thing I didn't get clarified, my pictures are red, very definitely red, in fact I could describe them as being sort of "greyscale" only in a red hue, there is no other colour in the slide. Was this how it would have looked in 1959? or is this actually what severe fading looks like in this particular film type? I have come across other typical faded 35mm slides processed by other than kodachrome, but I have never seen slides faded to red. On another note, I scanned some "professional store bought" slides (sold at tourist stores in 1963) and these 35mm slides were also red, and when I tried to color correct them, they stayed red, meaning I don't think there was ever any color on the film. can you shed any light on red? sammy Most likely, the red tint is the result of time and the dyes of the emulsion fading. (If exposed to sunlight, the fading is worse). It means that the only dye left is of a red tint. The normal dyes in processed Ektachrome film are Cyan, Yellow and Magenta. It looks like the only dye left is Magenta. It is not likely that you can restore the full color, once the dyes have faded away, there is nothing to recover. The best you can do is either create sepia tone images (colored grayscale) or convert the image to grayscale. You can colorize the images (Photoshop). It is an old time technique where a black and white photograph was colored with dyes to look as if in color. It is really a painting on the photograph. There is a Recipe (Howto) in Photoshop Elements 2 and maybe 3 for Color a black and white photo. -- CSM1 http://www.carlmcmillan.com -- |
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As I recall Ectachrome it was a slide with brilliant hues and colours. I
used to use it primarily in the fall (early to mid 60s) to capture the fall colours. I loved it. Looking at some of those slides now, an overall red hue has crept in but so it has in my other slides as well. I have Ectachrome in both standard 35mm and Super Slides. I used a standard box camera for the Super Slides. (120 film?) Mounted, the viewing area is 2X2" and the outside of the mount is 2.75X2.75. They projected beautifully because they were so much bigger. I'm looking at some right now from 1961 and they are quite faded and definately redish but not enough to ruin the image. They are as correctable as any of my other slides. (fair to good) Gord Schindler "sammy" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info and proper keywords, I now know what I'm dealing with, they are indeed 127 roll superslides mounted in the same frame size as 35mm. There's only one thing I didn't get clarified, my pictures are red, very definitely red, in fact I could describe them as being sort of "greyscale" only in a red hue, there is no other colour in the slide. Was this how it would have looked in 1959? or is this actually what severe fading looks like in this particular film type? I have come across other typical faded 35mm slides processed by other than kodachrome, but I have never seen slides faded to red. On another note, I scanned some "professional store bought" slides (sold at tourist stores in 1963) and these 35mm slides were also red, and when I tried to color correct them, they stayed red, meaning I don't think there was ever any color on the film. can you shed any light on red? sammy |
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Thanks for all this info, it's been helpful |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:45:21 -0500, "Gord Schindler"
wrote: As I recall Ectachrome it was a slide with brilliant hues and colours. I used to use it primarily in the fall (early to mid 60s) to capture the fall colours. I loved it. Looking at some of those slides now, an overall red hue has crept in but so it has in my other slides as well. I have Ectachrome in both standard 35mm and Super Slides. I used a standard box camera for the Super Slides. (120 film?) Mounted, the viewing area is 2X2" and the outside of the mount is 2.75X2.75. They projected beautifully because they were so much bigger. I'm looking at some right now from 1961 and they are quite faded and definately redish but not enough to ruin the image. They are as correctable as any of my other slides. (fair to good) And my Kodachromes from that same era are still color-true. So, if I have any extra grief with a scannner because I have Kodachrome, well at least I have my color images.; ~~ Kodak ~~ PS: My Agfa slides of Paris in 1966, don't remember the film but it may have been CT18, those are also pretty faded. Of course, that was before the buildings in Paris were cleaned up, so the loss isn't so great. ~~ Kodak ~~ Gord Schindler "sammy" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info and proper keywords, I now know what I'm dealing with, they are indeed 127 roll superslides mounted in the same frame size as 35mm. There's only one thing I didn't get clarified, my pictures are red, very definitely red, in fact I could describe them as being sort of "greyscale" only in a red hue, there is no other colour in the slide. Was this how it would have looked in 1959? or is this actually what severe fading looks like in this particular film type? I have come across other typical faded 35mm slides processed by other than kodachrome, but I have never seen slides faded to red. On another note, I scanned some "professional store bought" slides (sold at tourist stores in 1963) and these 35mm slides were also red, and when I tried to color correct them, they stayed red, meaning I don't think there was ever any color on the film. can you shed any light on red? sammy |
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I have a bunch of superslides that my dad took with a "Baby Rollei" in the
'50s and '60s. The Ektachromes are faded monochrome red. The Kodachromes look like they might have been shot yesterday. The Agfachromes are almost as good as the Kodachromes. I still have that camera. One of these days I'm going to find some 127 film and shoot some pictures. Paul "Father Kodak" wrote in message ... : On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:18:05 GMT, "sammy" wrote: : : : Sammy, : : The film was/is called Ektachrome with an "a." : : Ektachromes are still around, and in fact they will be around long : after Kodachrome disappears into history. : : I've always preferred Kodachrome to Ektachromes for their color : stability, as you are now seeing. : : I'm just taking a SWAG here about the format. I started doing : photography about 1956 using a Kodak "Brownie" camera. It used : 127-format "roll film," which is about 1.4" across. Unlike 35 mm : film, it required a paper backing. Frame numbers were printed on the : paper backing, and you wound the film after each exposure until you : saw the next frame number appear in a small circular window in the : back of the camera. : : You probably have "superslides," which are explained he : : http://www.frugalphotographer.com/catSuperSlide.htm : : Here is an interesting website, should you ever have the urge to buy : any roll films. : : http://www.fotoimpex.de/Home/films/e...ody_e-127.html : : For more information, try this Google search (without the quotes) : "127 roll film" : : Hi all, : : recently during my scanning project I've come accross some old family slides : in the ectochrome format, they are larger than the 35mm type and they are : square rather than rectangular. They are also RED, meaning everything is in : the hue of red. When I scan these (using vuescan) and run them through : photoshop for tweaking I'm able to "restore" what looks like the original : color of the pictures themselves. My question's are regarding ectochrome : itself, was this a transitional color format introduced at the time (these : slides are from 1958-59) were they meant to provide a bit of red hue to : slides as opposed to a typical black & white of the time? Does anyone have : any info or links that gives a bit about the history (and reasons) for this : type of slide format? any information would be appreciated. : : Thanks : |
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kodak ectochrome slides (info & history)
Paul wrote:
I have a bunch of superslides that my dad took with a "Baby Rollei" in the '50s and '60s. The Ektachromes are faded monochrome red. The Kodachromes look like they might have been shot yesterday. The Agfachromes are almost as good as the Kodachromes. interesting I also took Ektachrome super slides in the early 60's and still used Ektachrome almost exclusively up until just recently when it got much harder to find, (now use Fujichrome) but all of my slides almost without exception are just as sharp and bright as the day they were first processed. I currently have over 85,000 Ektachrome slides and it is very rare to find one that the colors are even a little off. Bob -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++ NO RESPONSE WILL EVER BE GIVEN TO ANY MESSAGE VIA EARTHLINK ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named |
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kodak ectochrome slides (info & history)
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:43:57 -0000, Access Systems
wrote: Paul wrote: I have a bunch of superslides that my dad took with a "Baby Rollei" in the '50s and '60s. The Ektachromes are faded monochrome red. The Kodachromes look like they might have been shot yesterday. The Agfachromes are almost as good as the Kodachromes. It depends on the processing used, but my guess is one of the steps was either improperly done or missed. I'd say whoever processed the Ektachromes didn't wash them thouroughly. Typically I see Ektachromes shift color to a darker blue, but well done and they should still look as good as the others. interesting I also took Ektachrome super slides in the early 60's and still used Ektachrome almost exclusively up until just recently when it got much harder to find, (now use Fujichrome) but all of my slides almost without exception are just as sharp and bright as the day they were first processed. I currently have over 85,000 Ektachrome slides and it is very rare to find one that the colors are even a little off. Bob Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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