Dell and Windows 7

Dell catalog arrived in the mail yesterday. Lots of computers with Windows 7, a few with Windows 8 and touchscreens. Finally, Michael has stopped drinking the Microsoft Windows 8 kool-aid. Or maybe he looks at Lenovo's rising market share, as they have pushed Windows 7... Ben Myers

Ben Myers wrote:

Dell catalog arrived in the mail yesterday. Lots of computers with Windows 7, a few with
Windows 8 and touchscreens. Finally, Michael has
stopped drinking th

What puts us off is no XP downgrades, and no 6MB
L2 Cache cpu's.

The former for compatibility with existing stuff,
and the latter for speed with our applications.
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On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:47:54 -0400, Ron Hardin
wrote:

Ben Myers wrote:

Dell catalog arrived in the mail yesterday. Lots of computers with Windows 7, a few with
Windows 8 and touchscreens. Finally, Michael has
stopped drinking th

What puts us off is no XP downgrades, and no 6MB
L2 Cache cpu's.

The former for compatibility with existing stuff,
and the latter for speed with our applications.


I think Ben's on to something. Dell and the rest feed us this crap
that new (MS) is better when in fact it may not be. I guess it helps
sells more hardware which in turn sells more software or do I have it
reversed?

On 6/7/2013 9:03 PM, RnR wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:47:54 -0400, Ron Hardin
wrote:

Ben Myers wrote:

Dell catalog arrived in the mail yesterday. Lots of computers with Windows 7, a few with
Windows 8 and touchscreens. Finally, Michael has
stopped drinking th

What puts us off is no XP downgrades, and no 6MB
L2 Cache cpu's.

The former for compatibility with existing stuff,
and the latter for speed with our applications.


I think Ben's on to something. Dell and the rest feed us this crap
that new (MS) is better when in fact it may not be. I guess it helps
sells more hardware which in turn sells more software or do I have it
reversed?

I suspect this is more a chicken or egg thing. Really, how many people
do you know who absolutely have to have the latest, greatest, fastest
computer system available for their intensive work which consists of
word processing, playing solitaire, surfing and e-mail?

I know folks who will run out and buy a new computer just because it's
there. Similarly, these same folks would not be caught dead running Win
XP when Vista, Win 7 or Win 8 are available. They are the legion of
beta testers for MS.

Consumers drive the market more so than Dell. MS rolls something out
and Dell is going to get a better price on that OS to include with their
new systems. They hedge their bets though and will offer, at same price
or perhaps some differential, a tried and true OS that (sane)people seem
to be happy with.

Now that everyone seems to have gas over Windows 8, expect to see that
as a limited release with Dell and perhaps more of an option than Windows 7.

Dell has little to nothing to do with EOL issues for Win XP that are set
by MS. That is just MS forcing the stragglers to migrate to Win 7 or ...

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 21:47:48 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:

On 6/7/2013 9:03 PM, RnR wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:47:54 -0400, Ron Hardin
wrote:

Ben Myers wrote:

Dell catalog arrived in the mail yesterday. Lots of computers with Windows 7, a few with
Windows 8 and touchscreens. Finally, Michael has
stopped drinking th

What puts us off is no XP downgrades, and no 6MB
L2 Cache cpu's.

The former for compatibility with existing stuff,
and the latter for speed with our applications.


I think Ben's on to something. Dell and the rest feed us this crap
that new (MS) is better when in fact it may not be. I guess it helps
sells more hardware which in turn sells more software or do I have it
reversed?

I suspect this is more a chicken or egg thing. Really, how many people
do you know who absolutely have to have the latest, greatest, fastest
computer system available for their intensive work which consists of
word processing, playing solitaire, surfing and e-mail?

I know folks who will run out and buy a new computer just because it's
there. Similarly, these same folks would not be caught dead running Win
XP when Vista, Win 7 or Win 8 are available. They are the legion of
beta testers for MS.

Consumers drive the market more so than Dell. MS rolls something out
and Dell is going to get a better price on that OS to include with their
new systems. They hedge their bets though and will offer, at same price
or perhaps some differential, a tried and true OS that (sane)people seem
to be happy with.

Now that everyone seems to have gas over Windows 8, expect to see that
as a limited release with Dell and perhaps more of an option than Windows 7.

Dell has little to nothing to do with EOL issues for Win XP that are set
by MS. That is just MS forcing the stragglers to migrate to Win 7 or ...

Actually Windows 8 isn't too terribly bad with the start button
option restored - works almost like 7 - which isn't THAT far off from
XP in classic mode (which emulates Win98 fairly closely)

I can't stand the "smart phone" interface that is standard on W8 - - -
- -.

On Friday, June 7, 2013 10:47:48 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 6/7/2013 9:03 PM, RnR wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:47:54 -0400, Ron Hardin

wrote:



Ben Myers wrote:



Dell catalog arrived in the mail yesterday. Lots of computers with Windows 7, a few with

Windows 8 and touchscreens. Finally, Michael has

stopped drinking th



What puts us off is no XP downgrades, and no 6MB

L2 Cache cpu's.



The former for compatibility with existing stuff,

and the latter for speed with our applications.





I think Ben's on to something. Dell and the rest feed us this crap

that new (MS) is better when in fact it may not be. I guess it helps

sells more hardware which in turn sells more software or do I have it

reversed?



I suspect this is more a chicken or egg thing. Really, how many people

do you know who absolutely have to have the latest, greatest, fastest

computer system available for their intensive work which consists of

word processing, playing solitaire, surfing and e-mail?



I know folks who will run out and buy a new computer just because it's

there. Similarly, these same folks would not be caught dead running Win

XP when Vista, Win 7 or Win 8 are available. They are the legion of

beta testers for MS.



Consumers drive the market more so than Dell. MS rolls something out

and Dell is going to get a better price on that OS to include with their

new systems. They hedge their bets though and will offer, at same price

or perhaps some differential, a tried and true OS that (sane)people seem

to be happy with.



Now that everyone seems to have gas over Windows 8, expect to see that

as a limited release with Dell and perhaps more of an option than Windows 7.



Dell has little to nothing to do with EOL issues for Win XP that are set

by MS. That is just MS forcing the stragglers to migrate to Win 7 or ...



Here is how Windows 8 is even selling at all. Three possibilities.

1. Yes, there are impulse buyers who must have the latest/greatest, whether or not it makes sense. I know a guy who had to have Office 2010, when it was the latest, and the latest QuickBooks. Never mind that he and the people in his office were doing just fine with Office 2007 and an earlier QuickBooks. So he bought them, and everyone farted around installing the latest stuff, a waste of time. Then the guy had to have Dragon Naturally Speaking, because he his pretty hopeless with a keyboard. One of his advisors got him a Sony laptop with Windows 8, and it sits there unused.

2. Second possibility. Your computer bites the dust. Best Buy or Staples tells you that you need a new computer. So you buy a Windows 8 computer of some sort, and struggle with it.

3. Last of all are the bargain hunters. That crapola Toshiba on sale for $349 looks really good to the unwashed, so they buy it. I know. I had to take care of several broken crapola Toshibas in the past month, but these were older with Win 7.

Corporate buyers? Nope... Ben Myers

On Jun 6, 1:51*pm, Ben Myers wrote:
Dell catalog arrived in the mail yesterday. *Lots of computers with Windows 7, a few with Windows 8 and touchscreens. *Finally, Michael has stopped drinking the Microsoft Windows 8 kool-aid. *Or maybe he looks at Lenovo's rising market share, as they have pushed Windows 7... Ben Myers

I like your metaphor about the kool-aid. It is on the mark.

All the discussion, and there has been a lot about Windows 7 vs
Windows 8 would have been moot if MS would only see Windows users as
customers rather than an annoyance or a bother along their road to
riches.

I am not a business major or a marketing expert, but I do think that
giving the customer choices, rather than forcing the new system upon
them, would have smoothed the road to Windows 8. Either, Windows
customers could have been given the option of Windows 7 or 8, or
Windows 8 could have included the option to boot to the new system or
to the traditional desktop, including the traditional start button.
Really now how difficult would that inclusion have been?

Sadly, I understand in Windows 8.1, the included start button is not
the same traditional start button that is in Windows 7.

Providing choices would have greatly helped US computer companies like
Dell, who saw a significant decrease in their business and giving rise
to Lenovo who wisely gave a choice to their customers making it appear
that the Chinese mind understands the US market better than either
Microsoft or Dell. Very sad!

To me a marketing decision involving choices simply makes sense, even
if it adds a few dollars to the cost of a new system.

Larry

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:51:53 PM UTC-4, Ben Myers wrote:
Dell catalog arrived in the mail yesterday. Lots of computers with Windows 7, a few with Windows 8 and touchscreens. Finally, Michael has stopped drinking the Microsoft Windows 8 kool-aid. Or maybe he looks at Lenovo's rising market share, as they have pushed Windows 7... Ben Myers

Another Dell catalog today. It's all Windows 8. The catalog goes into the paper recycling bin. For a moment there, I thought Dell actually got it. Apparently not... Ben