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Chipset advice needed
OK given i'm posting in here, i'm looking at a new motherboard with Intel
chipset. I have been out of the hardware scene for some time so i'm very rusty, I have an old P4 running on an old 875P Chipset. I'm not a gamer so not into this doubling up of video cards neither am i into over clocking in anyway etc, but i do have some old IDE hardware that i would like to be in my new PC, a few old IDE hard drives as well as a couple of DVD Burners, I guess nowadays these may have to be taken care of via a promise IDE/PCI card or something like that, of course over time these will all be replaced by SATA but funds are tight so no rush for me to go down this route yet. I would like the chipset to be able to take Core2 Quad / Core2 Duo as i'll be using a Duo to start with and at a later date updaing to a Quad, I have been looking at Asus boards as i've heard there quality and reliability are forst class, so checked out some prices of ram at Crucial and it seems DDR3 is way to expensive so chipset must be able to take DDR2. I have seen some boards mention "Intel® 45nm CPU Ready" can anyone sahed some light on what this means please and is it something i should worry about. I will need chipset to be able to take 3 PCI boards ADSL card/tv card/modem, also i have seen boards mention black and blue pci/e sockets yet i see no mention of this on Intel's site can any help on this as well please. Sorry for so many questions but as i say i'm rusty Jim |
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Computer Hardware
Motherboards Intel Motherboards (x) ASUS (x) CPU Socket Type : LGA 775 (x) North Bridge : Intel P43/P45 (x) PCI Slots : 3 (x) (1-7 of 7 Results) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200280+50001315+ 1070509908+107172615+1073507581&Configurator=&Subc ategory=280&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&Ord er=BESTMATCH&srchInDesc= On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:51:34 +0100, "Jim" wrote: OK given i'm posting in here, i'm looking at a new motherboard with Intel chipset. I have been out of the hardware scene for some time so i'm very rusty, I have an old P4 running on an old 875P Chipset. I'm not a gamer so not into this doubling up of video cards neither am i into over clocking in anyway etc, but i do have some old IDE hardware that i would like to be in my new PC, a few old IDE hard drives as well as a couple of DVD Burners, I guess nowadays these may have to be taken care of via a promise IDE/PCI card or something like that, of course over time these will all be replaced by SATA but funds are tight so no rush for me to go down this route yet. I would like the chipset to be able to take Core2 Quad / Core2 Duo as i'll be using a Duo to start with and at a later date updaing to a Quad, I have been looking at Asus boards as i've heard there quality and reliability are forst class, so checked out some prices of ram at Crucial and it seems DDR3 is way to expensive so chipset must be able to take DDR2. I have seen some boards mention "Intel® 45nm CPU Ready" can anyone sahed some light on what this means please and is it something i should worry about. I will need chipset to be able to take 3 PCI boards ADSL card/tv card/modem, also i have seen boards mention black and blue pci/e sockets yet i see no mention of this on Intel's site can any help on this as well please. Sorry for so many questions but as i say i'm rusty Jim |
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Jim wrote:
OK given i'm posting in here, i'm looking at a new motherboard with Intel chipset. I have been out of the hardware scene for some time so i'm very rusty, I have an old P4 running on an old 875P Chipset. I'm not a gamer so not into this doubling up of video cards neither am i into over clocking in anyway etc, but i do have some old IDE hardware that i would like to be in my new PC, a few old IDE hard drives as well as a couple of DVD Burners, I guess nowadays these may have to be taken care of via a promise IDE/PCI card or something like that, of course over time these will all be replaced by SATA but funds are tight so no rush for me to go down this route yet. You'll find that the latest Intel chipsets X38 & X48 don't have any support for the old-line IDE (PATA) connections anymore. The older 900-series chipsets do. If you want the latest chipset then your motherboard will have provide PATA through an extra chipset. Many of them do that in some cases, so you won't have to necessarily get a Promise IDE card. However, they may only provide 1 channel of PATA, which means you'll only get 2 IDE devices to connect to it. Another alternative would be to buy an IDE-to-SATA converter for your hard disks. Intel® Product Comparison Chart http://compare.intel.com/pcc/default...&culture=en-US I would like the chipset to be able to take Core2 Quad / Core2 Duo as i'll be using a Duo to start with and at a later date updaing to a Quad, I have been looking at Asus boards as i've heard there quality and reliability are forst class, so checked out some prices of ram at Crucial and it seems DDR3 is way to expensive so chipset must be able to take DDR2. I have seen some boards mention "Intel® 45nm CPU Ready" can anyone sahed some light on what this means please and is it something i should worry about. The 45nm-ready stuff probably just means that the particular board has support for all of the new voltages required for the 45nm versions of the Core 2 family. The 45nm Core 2's run on the same socket at the 65nm Core 2's, but require different voltages. The older boards may not have those new voltages available. Also it's likely that some small BIOS changes are required to detect the new Core 2's, so the BIOSes built into these boards are already aware of these newer Core 2's. Be aware that in a few months, a totally new architecture of Intel CPUs is coming out, called Intel Core i7, originally codenamed Nehalem. These will be completely incompatible with existing motherboards and chipsets. Core i7 will be more like AMD's Phenom & Athlon in architecture with an integrated memory controller, and a point-to-point interconnect called QuickPath (similar to AMD's Hypertransport). So by the time Core i7 comes out, either of two things will happen: (1) cheaper older versions of Core 2 Quad will become rare, or (2) there will be a flood of Core 2 Quads for sale on the market. These days they're more likely to become rare than flooded. So you might want to consider not bothering with a Core 2 Duo, and go straight to a low-end Core 2 Quad right away. I will need chipset to be able to take 3 PCI boards ADSL card/tv card/modem, also i have seen boards mention black and blue pci/e sockets yet i see no mention of this on Intel's site can any help on this as well please. All motherboards provide PCI-Express these days rather than old-line PCI. However, PCI-Express downwardly compatible with PCI, so you'll actually get old-line PCI slots alongside one or two PCI-Express x16 slots for plugging graphic cards into. The PCI-e x16 has replaced the AGP as the graphics card slot. Check the motherboard manufacturer's descriptions to see what you really will get. As far as motherboard manufacturers go, don't get too hooked on Asus. The vast majority of boards I've owned have been Asus, but I can't say that's because I prefer them -- they are just the most commonly available most of the time. I've gotten some good boards from them, and then some stinkers as well. Don't be afraid to buy a board from a lesser known board maker, such as Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock, Shuttle, ECS, etc. Yousuf Khan |
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"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: OK given i'm posting in here, i'm looking at a new motherboard with Intel chipset. I have been out of the hardware scene for some time so i'm very rusty, I have an old P4 running on an old 875P Chipset. I'm not a gamer so not into this doubling up of video cards neither am i into over clocking in anyway etc, but i do have some old IDE hardware that i would like to be in my new PC, a few old IDE hard drives as well as a couple of DVD Burners, I guess nowadays these may have to be taken care of via a promise IDE/PCI card or something like that, of course over time these will all be replaced by SATA but funds are tight so no rush for me to go down this route yet. You'll find that the latest Intel chipsets X38 & X48 don't have any support for the old-line IDE (PATA) connections anymore. The older 900-series chipsets do. If you want the latest chipset then your motherboard will have provide PATA through an extra chipset. Many of them do that in some cases, so you won't have to necessarily get a Promise IDE card. However, they may only provide 1 channel of PATA, which means you'll only get 2 IDE devices to connect to it. Another alternative would be to buy an IDE-to-SATA converter for your hard disks. Intel® Product Comparison Chart http://compare.intel.com/pcc/default...&culture=en-US I would like the chipset to be able to take Core2 Quad / Core2 Duo as i'll be using a Duo to start with and at a later date updaing to a Quad, I have been looking at Asus boards as i've heard there quality and reliability are forst class, so checked out some prices of ram at Crucial and it seems DDR3 is way to expensive so chipset must be able to take DDR2. I have seen some boards mention "Intel® 45nm CPU Ready" can anyone sahed some light on what this means please and is it something i should worry about. The 45nm-ready stuff probably just means that the particular board has support for all of the new voltages required for the 45nm versions of the Core 2 family. The 45nm Core 2's run on the same socket at the 65nm Core 2's, but require different voltages. The older boards may not have those new voltages available. Also it's likely that some small BIOS changes are required to detect the new Core 2's, so the BIOSes built into these boards are already aware of these newer Core 2's. Be aware that in a few months, a totally new architecture of Intel CPUs is coming out, called Intel Core i7, originally codenamed Nehalem. These will be completely incompatible with existing motherboards and chipsets. Core i7 will be more like AMD's Phenom & Athlon in architecture with an integrated memory controller, and a point-to-point interconnect called QuickPath (similar to AMD's Hypertransport). So by the time Core i7 comes out, either of two things will happen: (1) cheaper older versions of Core 2 Quad will become rare, or (2) there will be a flood of Core 2 Quads for sale on the market. These days they're more likely to become rare than flooded. So you might want to consider not bothering with a Core 2 Duo, and go straight to a low-end Core 2 Quad right away. I will need chipset to be able to take 3 PCI boards ADSL card/tv card/modem, also i have seen boards mention black and blue pci/e sockets yet i see no mention of this on Intel's site can any help on this as well please. All motherboards provide PCI-Express these days rather than old-line PCI. However, PCI-Express downwardly compatible with PCI, so you'll actually get old-line PCI slots alongside one or two PCI-Express x16 slots for plugging graphic cards into. The PCI-e x16 has replaced the AGP as the graphics card slot. Check the motherboard manufacturer's descriptions to see what you really will get. As far as motherboard manufacturers go, don't get too hooked on Asus. The vast majority of boards I've owned have been Asus, but I can't say that's because I prefer them -- they are just the most commonly available most of the time. I've gotten some good boards from them, and then some stinkers as well. Don't be afraid to buy a board from a lesser known board maker, such as Gigabyte, MSI, ASRock, Shuttle, ECS, etc. Yousuf Khan Yousuf fantastic answer many thanks for taking the time to answer, i'm looking at Asus just because they give a 3 year warranty, I have limited funds so will have to check out the price of a low level Quad core, I was think if i could not get decent IDE support i'd get a promise card or IDE-to-SATA converter looks like these may be much easier, thanks for letting me know about Core i7 I had no idea of this, i can't wait for this plus i don't wan to adopt to early as knowing my luck it will be poo, I'll think i'll end up going for something along the line of P35 or P45 as i say not a huge gamer just do a fair bit of video encoding mpg to avi and DVD9 to DVD5 using CCE and DVD-RB. Once again many thanks for your input Yousuf Jim |
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Jim wrote:
Yousuf fantastic answer many thanks for taking the time to answer, i'm looking at Asus just because they give a 3 year warranty, I have limited funds so will have to check out the price of a low level Quad core, I was think if i could not get decent IDE support i'd get a promise card or IDE-to-SATA converter looks like these may be much easier, thanks for letting me know about Core i7 I had no idea of this, i can't wait for this plus i don't wan to adopt to early as knowing my luck it will be poo, I'll think i'll end up going for something along the line of P35 or P45 as i say not a huge gamer just do a fair bit of video encoding mpg to avi and DVD9 to DVD5 using CCE and DVD-RB. Once again many thanks for your input Yousuf You're welcome, but since when did Asus start offering a 3 year warranty? I haven't checked recently, but I'm pretty sure none of my boards came with a 3 year warranty. Yousuf Khan |
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"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: Yousuf fantastic answer many thanks for taking the time to answer, i'm looking at Asus just because they give a 3 year warranty, I have limited funds so will have to check out the price of a low level Quad core, I was think if i could not get decent IDE support i'd get a promise card or IDE-to-SATA converter looks like these may be much easier, thanks for letting me know about Core i7 I had no idea of this, i can't wait for this plus i don't wan to adopt to early as knowing my luck it will be poo, I'll think i'll end up going for something along the line of P35 or P45 as i say not a huge gamer just do a fair bit of video encoding mpg to avi and DVD9 to DVD5 using CCE and DVD-RB. Once again many thanks for your input Yousuf You're welcome, but since when did Asus start offering a 3 year warranty? I haven't checked recently, but I'm pretty sure none of my boards came with a 3 year warranty. Yousuf Khan Hi Yousuf, I'm in UK and found the info at there UK site http://support.asus.com/repair/repai...Language=en-us Jim |
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On Aug 21, 1:08 am, "Jim" wrote:
Hi Yousuf, I'm in UK and found the info at there UK sitehttp://support.asus.com/repair/repair.aspx?no=201&SLanguage=en-us Okay fine, another question, why are you only looking at Intel parts, rather than AMD parts too? If you're on a bit of a budget, you'd be better off going with an AMD triple or quad-core processor with an AMD 780G chipset. You'll get to use DDR2, and the graphics capabilities of AMD chipsets are far superior to Intel ones. Although you said you're not interested in playing games, you'll never know if a game tickles your fancy, and the GPU of integrated AMD chipset is passable at playing games, whereas Intel integrated GPUs are completely unsuited. Plus the AMD chipsets have built in H.264 video decoding if you ever plan on playing Bluray disks or just if you download such files from the Internet. Yousuf Khan |
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"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message ... On Aug 21, 1:08 am, "Jim" wrote: Hi Yousuf, I'm in UK and found the info at there UK sitehttp://support.asus.com/repair/repair.aspx?no=201&SLanguage=en-us Okay fine, another question, why are you only looking at Intel parts, rather than AMD parts too? If you're on a bit of a budget, you'd be better off going with an AMD triple or quad-core processor with an AMD 780G chipset. You'll get to use DDR2, and the graphics capabilities of AMD chipsets are far superior to Intel ones. Although you said you're not interested in playing games, you'll never know if a game tickles your fancy, and the GPU of integrated AMD chipset is passable at playing games, whereas Intel integrated GPUs are completely unsuited. Plus the AMD chipsets have built in H.264 video decoding if you ever plan on playing Bluray disks or just if you download such files from the Internet. Yousuf Khan Hi Yousuf, sorry for delay in getting back to you, my 2nd build was AMD route as you seemed to get more bang for you buck but last build was Intel based and never had i have so few problems whole thing just seems more stable, i just don't have the need for half decent graphics the only games i play nowadays are stuff like backgammon, pacman, space invaders, I'm a kid from the 80's so that's what rocks my boat, not cool to admit it i know but that's me i guess, it looks like I'm going to go for P45 chipset, still unsure of manf yet, like Asus as always read good things about them, Epox I like but seem to have not done much of late and GigaByte i like as well but i have a large tower case and it seems sometimes they place IDE socket at strange place and makes it hard for people like me with big cases, but it's not a huge worry, just need to make my choice in next day or so then i need to look at CPU, do i go for high end Duo or low end Quad, Christ it's not fun is it, it was so much easier in the days or 486 SX25 or even the quick DX33 Jim |
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