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Major ISPs dropping Usenet
Time-Warner is dropping all newsgroups. Verizon is keeping most of
the Big-8 but is dropping the entire alt.* hierarchy, which includes this group. Keep this in mind for future posts, and you may wish to migrate any existing discussions to a non-alt.* group. |
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nospam wrote:
Time-Warner is dropping all newsgroups. Verizon is keeping most of the Big-8 but is dropping the entire alt.* hierarchy, which includes this group. Keep this in mind for future posts, and you may wish to migrate any existing discussions to a non-alt.* group. There are free news servers. You don't have to use Google to get here. news.aioe.org (no registration, limited postings per day) news.motzarella.org (registration, don't know what the rules are) I'm using both of those right now. If there is a problem with one, I switch to the other. And there are other servers around as well, that I haven't tried. Discussed in alt.free.newsservers (when the regulars aren't sniping at one another). Paul |
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"nospam" wrote in message . .. Time-Warner is dropping all newsgroups. Verizon is keeping most of the Big-8 but is dropping the entire alt.* hierarchy, which includes this group. Keep this in mind for future posts, and you may wish to migrate any existing discussions to a non-alt.* group. Yes, the unwashed masses are sacking the city, the Nero-Geeks are preoccupied with World of Warcraft, and in the future all information will be in proprietary ITunes format. I blame CompuServe. |
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Anything that creates a speed bump to Usenet can only be good news.
-- It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind. ~ Voltaire |
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Bob Fry wrote:
Anything that creates a speed bump to Usenet can only be good news. Yeah, unfortunately Google doesn't agree. -- My in-line street skates. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210 N04/2565924423/ Currently filtering out most Google Groups posts/branches. |
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nospam wrote: Time-Warner is dropping all newsgroups. Verizon is keeping most of the Big-8 but is dropping the entire alt.* hierarchy, which includes this group. Keep this in mind for future posts, and you may wish to migrate any existing discussions to a non-alt.* group. Is Andrew Cuomo really that influential? Or is his holding ISP's liable to prosecution for kiddie porn just an excuse for them to create and host web-based, advertisement-laden discussion groups or special interest groups like this one? |
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The articles I read said he had his investigators sign up for i-net service
with various ISPs and they used software to analyze pictures and determine what is child porn. When child porn is found, his investigators, posing as customers, would complain but usually the ISP did nothing. Cuomo threatened to charge them with false advertising and fraud, so, the three major ISPs, that he threatened with a lawsuit, decided to drop usenet or delete major parts of it from their servers. T-W also agreed to install hardware/software that analyzes packets to determine if something is child porn. This raises two other questions: 1. ISPs hold a common carrier status meaning they do not check the contents of what is posted. In other words, if you owned a phone company, you are not responsible if two people plan a bank robbery over your phone lines. Would T-W now lose their common carrier status? 2. It seems analyzing packets violates federal wire tapping laws. From Cuomo's point of view, it is a way to get name recognition. For people who trade in child porn, they will find other outlets as needed. The effect on usenet is, Cuomo is still going after other ISPs, if the 5 major ISPs do not offer access anymore or limited access then it seems there would be very little activity. Someone here might post a question and there would be no response or maybe 1 response. From a historical perspective, if this is the death of usenet, does Cuomo really want to remembered in the history books as the guy who killed usenet? His solution is like saying there are so many drug deals and murders in Miami, we've decided to cut phone service there. --g |
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geoff wrote:
From a historical perspective, if this is the death of usenet, does Cuomo really want to remembered in the history books as the guy who killed usenet? His solution is like saying there are so many drug deals and murders in Miami, we've decided to cut phone service there. --g I also wonder if the hands of Hollywood and the music industry are somewhere behind this. Lets face it, if the .alt groups (or more) get dropped, it will be doing them a favour. -- SteveH |
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I also wonder if the hands of Hollywood and the music industry are
somewhere behind this. Lets face it, if the .alt groups (or more) get dropped, it will be doing them a favour. Once the hardware is in place to monitor packets, it can be extended to look for music/songs and other things. Also, the RIAA can now use the same pattern and go after ISPs saying they found copyrighted material in a newsgroup and when it is not deleted, the ISPs can be threatened with charges of fraud, etc. Under the current plan, with three major ISPs dropping usenet, or major parts of it, this will affect about 50 million people. --g |
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Somewhere on teh intarweb "Paul" typed:
nospam wrote: Time-Warner is dropping all newsgroups. Verizon is keeping most of the Big-8 but is dropping the entire alt.* hierarchy, which includes this group. Keep this in mind for future posts, and you may wish to migrate any existing discussions to a non-alt.* group. There are free news servers. You don't have to use Google to get here. news.aioe.org (no registration, limited postings per day) news.motzarella.org (registration, don't know what the rules are) I'm using both of those right now. If there is a problem with one, I switch to the other. And there are other servers around as well, that I haven't tried. Discussed in alt.free.newsservers (when the regulars aren't sniping at one another). Now if only Google would can GoogleGroups we'd get back to a situation such as existed years ago, when I first found usenet; Only geeks and intelligent people (for the most part) posting. sigh The good old days. -- Shaun. DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) |
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