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Old May 11th 05, 12:03 AM
Michael C
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Default XP OEM - Interesting conversation with MS employee

Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu, memory,
video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the same was the
HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having trouble with the
internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it activated I asked him
what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't activate. He said that
XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I
asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and
not answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain on
the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC" means. In the
end I asked if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation and he
said "thank you for calling microsoft to activate your software" and hung
up!

I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine
and will activate ok. Is that true?


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Old May 11th 05, 12:20 AM
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"Michael C" wrote

Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu,
memory, video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the
same was the HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having
trouble with the internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it
activated I asked him what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't
activate. He said that XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be
activated. In return I asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept
going around in circles and not answering my question and just stating
that it has to always remain on the same PC. He never gave me a definition
of what "same PC" means. In the end I asked if it was more of a policy
than a technical limitation and he said "thank you for calling microsoft
to activate your software" and hung up!

I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine
and will activate ok. Is that true?


Good guess.

See http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/ for more details.

Alias


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Old May 11th 05, 12:30 AM
Woody
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I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine
and will activate ok. Is that true?

from what Mike Brannigan , an MS employee and frequent poster , has been
saying of late is that it's up to the oem to determine when the original
machine is no longer the original machine . definately a major retreat from
earlier interpretations of the ms oem eula . MS seems to be intentionally
vague .

hey , i build my own computers . purchase oem vers of the operating system
in complete compliance therefor i am the one to determine when it is no
longer the original computer as far as i'm concerned .






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Old May 11th 05, 12:36 AM
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Q. "I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine
and will activate ok. Is that true?"

A. Not if its an OEM version....only a "Retail Version".

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"Michael C" wrote:

| Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu, memory,
| video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the same was the
| HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having trouble with the
| internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it activated I asked him
| what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't activate. He said that
| XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I
| asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and
| not answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain on
| the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC" means. In the
| end I asked if it was more of a policy than a technical limitation and he
| said "thank you for calling microsoft to activate your software" and hung
| up!
|
| I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine
| and will activate ok. Is that true?



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Old May 11th 05, 12:36 AM
Richard Urban
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Did he tell you that?

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"Michael C" wrote in message
...
Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu,
memory, video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was the
same was the HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was having
trouble with the internet so I phoned MS to activate XP again. After it
activated I asked him what the limit is to hardware change before XP won't
activate. He said that XP oem has to always remain on the same PC to be
activated. In return I asked "what constitutes the same PC?". He kept
going around in circles and not answering my question and just stating
that it has to always remain on the same PC. He never gave me a definition
of what "same PC" means. In the end I asked if it was more of a policy
than a technical limitation and he said "thank you for calling microsoft
to activate your software" and hung up!

I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new machine
and will activate ok. Is that true?



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Old May 11th 05, 12:38 AM
Michael C
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"Leythos" wrote in message
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You've asked/speculated two different things:

1) What are the rules
2) What can you get away with

One has little to do with the other, the other has a lot to do with the
one, you can read it as you want


That's exactly what I asked him. I asked "if it was more of a policy than a
technical limitation". I don't want to pirate XP but if a customer has
bought XP I'd like to know what I can do to their machine before a new copy
is required. If XP hadn't worked after their machine was upgraded it would
have been a problem and it would have been good for me to know before hand.
I probably should have found out earlier but there are so many things I
should have found out earlier and MS don't make it easy sometimes. Anyway,
it looks like I can do whatever I want to the machine and it will still
work, which is a good thing. :-)

Michael


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Old May 11th 05, 12:42 AM
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In article ,
says...
"Leythos" wrote in message
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You've asked/speculated two different things:

1) What are the rules
2) What can you get away with

One has little to do with the other, the other has a lot to do with the
one, you can read it as you want


That's exactly what I asked him. I asked "if it was more of a policy than a
technical limitation". I don't want to pirate XP but if a customer has
bought XP I'd like to know what I can do to their machine before a new copy
is required. If XP hadn't worked after their machine was upgraded it would
have been a problem and it would have been good for me to know before hand.
I probably should have found out earlier but there are so many things I
should have found out earlier and MS don't make it easy sometimes. Anyway,
it looks like I can do whatever I want to the machine and it will still
work, which is a good thing. :-)


Actually, you can call MS and ask for Licensing information, not the
activation drones, MS proper and ask for a email/document explaining
licensing. Now, after I've said this, you are also going to get people
telling you that you can do what you want as MS has never taken any
personal user/installer to court over multiple installs against a single
key/license.

In the grand scheme of software licensing, it's up to you to determine
what is right/wrong and what you feel you can get away with. Some of us
are hard-line and purchase a OEM copy considering that additional MS
documents call the Motherboard the defining component, while others look
at the EULA and say that the power cord could be the single defining
component. It's all in what you are comfortable with until you ASK MS
legal what they mean.

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Old May 11th 05, 12:45 AM
Woody
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1) What are the rules
2) What can you get away with

One has little to do with the other, the other has a lot to do with the
one, you can read it as you want

they both have a lot to do with each other !!!! how can anyone know wtf is
going on if even MS won't just spell it out one way or the other . and why
should we even be put in this position in the first place ? people keep
asking the question "1) What are the rules ? " yet there never seems to be
a definative answer . yes we get sorta answers but they even seem to change
from day to day .

the latest from mike brannigan is that it's the oem that determines when the
original computer is no longer the original computer . so who built the
computer , who bought the oem os and who installed the os on that computer
determines the rules as far as i read it .




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Old May 11th 05, 12:46 AM
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He said it by implication - He hung up!

Richard Urban wrote:
Did he tell you that?


"Michael C" wrote in message
...
Last night I upgraded a customers machine with new motherboard, cpu,
memory, video card, netcard and soundcard. The only thing that was
the same was the HDD, dvd drive, tape backup and scsi card. I was
having trouble with the internet so I phoned MS to activate XP
again. After it activated I asked him what the limit is to hardware
change before XP won't activate. He said that XP oem has to always
remain on the same PC to be activated. In return I asked "what
constitutes the same PC?". He kept going around in circles and not
answering my question and just stating that it has to always remain
on the same PC. He never gave me a definition of what "same PC"
means. In the end I asked if it was more of a policy than a
technical limitation and he said "thank you for calling microsoft to
activate your software" and hung up!

I suspect that means that it can be installed on a completely new
machine and will activate ok. Is that true?




 




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