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ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB -- Dual Monitor Setup
Hi, all ...
For future reference by me and possibly others having similar problems, I am going to log, here, my progress in setting up a dual monitor arrangement on a WinXP P4 machine using an ATI Radeon 9600. If anyone has suggestions or links that will make this progress less painful than it has been already, please let me know. This morning, I received the DVI-VGA adapter that I bought from someone on eBay. ATI didn't include this adapter with the card, so I had to wait a week for this adapter before I could plug in my second monitor. With this adapter, I was able to see a desktop on both monitors, which was cool. The next question was how to use these two monitors. I didn't know where to begin, so I right-clicked on the tray icon for ATI Catalyst Control Center. The Control Center didn't seem to offer any options that would get me up and running, so I went to its Help Contents menu option. That opened an HTML file whose contents included a Stretched Desktop option. That sounded like what I wanted to do, so I clicked on that. The Stretched Desktop option gave me an option to Enable Stretched Desktop. The first instruction under that option was, "From the Tree View pane click Stretched Desktop." Unfortunately, I didn't see any references anywhere to Tree View pane. There was no option so called in the Control Center itself. I looked in the Index and searched in the Search option in this Help file, but no joy. I spent an hour screwing around and basically getting nowhere, so I decided to go for a bike ride. A car nearly hit me, and on this basis I felt empowered and encouraged to return to my struggle with ATI, which seemed safer. After screwing around for another half-hour, I figured out that Tree View pane means the left side of the Catalyst Control Center. The Control Center itself refers to Basic and Advanced views, but no Tree view. This is the approach taken in its index as well. In the Advanced view, there is a Graphics Settings tab. That is, in fact, the only tab. It is all a bit mixed up. Somewhere in this process, by accident, I discovered that I could drag windows from one monitor to the other. It doesn't work when the windows are maximized. But if you shrink them to normal size, you can then left-click and hold on the top bar of the window, and with that you can drag them around and then maximize them as desired. So I have done some of that. I also found out how to move my mouse cursor from one window to the other. I thought I should be able to just mouse over to the right, going from the left-hand monitor to the right-hand one, but it wasn't working. Then, again by accident, I tried reaching the Indies by going west and, you know, it worked. In other words, I had the monitors reversed. Monitor 1 needs to be the one on the left. I changed the order of them by clicking on something in Control Center. Can't remember what. Having both monitors up and running gives me a hell of a contrast between what I have been staring at, all these years, and what I'm now seeing on this nice 19" LCD monitor that I got for $150 after rebates. It's almost literally night and day. The old thing -- a flat-panel 17" CRT that seemed so big and bright when I got it is now just small and dark. I decided I could use that old monitor to park some applications that don't benefit quite so much from greater space to roam. Examples include Winamp and Notepad. I'll use the bigger monitor for editing and other things where I need to see what I'm doing. (My eyeballs are going to be very happy. Maybe I'll go blind more slowly now.) It also occurred to me that, instead of having 85 applications running at once, I could take advantage of the multiple desktop feature. They've been offering multiple desktops for years. For whatever reason, though, the concept never grabbed me. But now I'm seeing that maybe I can open up all of the applications that pertain to one project in one desktop, and all the applications that pertain to another project in another desktop, and so forth. I tried it just now and I see that, unfortunately, it doesn't work quite like I hoped. I was thinking that maybe I could set up Desktop 1 with Acrobat opened to File X, and I would set up Desktop 2 with Acrobat opened to File Y. But that's not how it goes. File X opens up in both desktops. So I'm not entirely sure how the desktop function is supposed to work. I guess that was probably the net outcome last time I tried fooling with desktops, in the deep and ancient past. The other thing I don't know about desktops is whether it is possible to copy features from one to another. For instance, I have a half-dozen toolbars in Desktop 1. I'm not sure how to copy them to Desktop 2. Ideally, I would find that desktop settings etc. are stored in a folder somewhere, and all I have to do is to copy them to the folder for another desktop. I have that same question about copying toolbars from one monitor to the other within Desktop 1. Right now, the toolbars are on crowded & dark little Monitor 1. I want them on Monitor 2. At present, I don't even have a taskbar in Monitor 2, so I can't figure out how to get the toolbars over to Monitor 2 or even recreate them on Monitor 2. Although ATI's help file didn't help me, I did discover that I can create a sort of stretched desktop manually. I mean, if I am looking at an application in a normal (i.e., not maximized) window on Monitor 1, I can left-click on its right border, where the mouse turns into a two-headed arrow, and I can drag that right border across to Monitor 2. So then I have a really wide window for that program. When I am doing that dragging, or otherwise mousing around, I see that sometimes the mouse gets stuck at the center line between the two monitors. It doesn't want to go back to Monitor 1. I'm not sure why not. Dragging a window's right border to manually create a really wide window seems to be a way to accomplish something like ATI intends with its extra Maximize button, which appears next to the Minimize/Maximize/Kill buttons at the top right corner of each window. The dialog that pops up, when I click on that new Maximize button, informs me that I must have a perfectly rectangular setup to use Hydravision Maximize. Instead, when I manually drag right borders, I get a screwy result where the left side of the application, in 17" Monitor 1, appears at a lower height than the right side of the application in 19% Monitor 2. Just now, as I was retracing my steps, so as to write this down correctly, I tried switching to Basic View. This opened up a wizard that offered to "setup my display configuration." I tried it. It didn't add anything to what I had already figured out. Apparently ATI requires your "Main" monitor to be your left-hand monitor -- which doesn't work in my case because of the physical layout of my workspace. I want the right-hand monitor to be the main one. So possibly I will not be able to install toolbars on the right-hand monitor. That's as far as I've gotten right now. |
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ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB -- Dual Monitor Setup
Well, I'm not going to respond to your entire post, because I'm not really
sure if you had a question. But I will suggest you look into an application called Ultramon. As far as I'm concerned, it's a "must-have" if you use multiple monitors. There's probably other applications like it, but that's my choice. Clint "Ray" wrote in message ups.com... Hi, all ... For future reference by me and possibly others having similar problems, I am going to log, here, my progress in setting up a dual monitor arrangement on a WinXP P4 machine using an ATI Radeon 9600. If anyone has suggestions or links that will make this progress less painful than it has been already, please let me know. This morning, I received the DVI-VGA adapter that I bought from someone on eBay. ATI didn't include this adapter with the card, so I had to wait a week for this adapter before I could plug in my second monitor. With this adapter, I was able to see a desktop on both monitors, which was cool. The next question was how to use these two monitors. I didn't know where to begin, so I right-clicked on the tray icon for ATI Catalyst Control Center. The Control Center didn't seem to offer any options that would get me up and running, so I went to its Help Contents menu option. That opened an HTML file whose contents included a Stretched Desktop option. That sounded like what I wanted to do, so I clicked on that. The Stretched Desktop option gave me an option to Enable Stretched Desktop. The first instruction under that option was, "From the Tree View pane click Stretched Desktop." Unfortunately, I didn't see any references anywhere to Tree View pane. There was no option so called in the Control Center itself. I looked in the Index and searched in the Search option in this Help file, but no joy. I spent an hour screwing around and basically getting nowhere, so I decided to go for a bike ride. A car nearly hit me, and on this basis I felt empowered and encouraged to return to my struggle with ATI, which seemed safer. After screwing around for another half-hour, I figured out that Tree View pane means the left side of the Catalyst Control Center. The Control Center itself refers to Basic and Advanced views, but no Tree view. This is the approach taken in its index as well. In the Advanced view, there is a Graphics Settings tab. That is, in fact, the only tab. It is all a bit mixed up. Somewhere in this process, by accident, I discovered that I could drag windows from one monitor to the other. It doesn't work when the windows are maximized. But if you shrink them to normal size, you can then left-click and hold on the top bar of the window, and with that you can drag them around and then maximize them as desired. So I have done some of that. I also found out how to move my mouse cursor from one window to the other. I thought I should be able to just mouse over to the right, going from the left-hand monitor to the right-hand one, but it wasn't working. Then, again by accident, I tried reaching the Indies by going west and, you know, it worked. In other words, I had the monitors reversed. Monitor 1 needs to be the one on the left. I changed the order of them by clicking on something in Control Center. Can't remember what. Having both monitors up and running gives me a hell of a contrast between what I have been staring at, all these years, and what I'm now seeing on this nice 19" LCD monitor that I got for $150 after rebates. It's almost literally night and day. The old thing -- a flat-panel 17" CRT that seemed so big and bright when I got it is now just small and dark. I decided I could use that old monitor to park some applications that don't benefit quite so much from greater space to roam. Examples include Winamp and Notepad. I'll use the bigger monitor for editing and other things where I need to see what I'm doing. (My eyeballs are going to be very happy. Maybe I'll go blind more slowly now.) It also occurred to me that, instead of having 85 applications running at once, I could take advantage of the multiple desktop feature. They've been offering multiple desktops for years. For whatever reason, though, the concept never grabbed me. But now I'm seeing that maybe I can open up all of the applications that pertain to one project in one desktop, and all the applications that pertain to another project in another desktop, and so forth. I tried it just now and I see that, unfortunately, it doesn't work quite like I hoped. I was thinking that maybe I could set up Desktop 1 with Acrobat opened to File X, and I would set up Desktop 2 with Acrobat opened to File Y. But that's not how it goes. File X opens up in both desktops. So I'm not entirely sure how the desktop function is supposed to work. I guess that was probably the net outcome last time I tried fooling with desktops, in the deep and ancient past. The other thing I don't know about desktops is whether it is possible to copy features from one to another. For instance, I have a half-dozen toolbars in Desktop 1. I'm not sure how to copy them to Desktop 2. Ideally, I would find that desktop settings etc. are stored in a folder somewhere, and all I have to do is to copy them to the folder for another desktop. I have that same question about copying toolbars from one monitor to the other within Desktop 1. Right now, the toolbars are on crowded & dark little Monitor 1. I want them on Monitor 2. At present, I don't even have a taskbar in Monitor 2, so I can't figure out how to get the toolbars over to Monitor 2 or even recreate them on Monitor 2. Although ATI's help file didn't help me, I did discover that I can create a sort of stretched desktop manually. I mean, if I am looking at an application in a normal (i.e., not maximized) window on Monitor 1, I can left-click on its right border, where the mouse turns into a two-headed arrow, and I can drag that right border across to Monitor 2. So then I have a really wide window for that program. When I am doing that dragging, or otherwise mousing around, I see that sometimes the mouse gets stuck at the center line between the two monitors. It doesn't want to go back to Monitor 1. I'm not sure why not. Dragging a window's right border to manually create a really wide window seems to be a way to accomplish something like ATI intends with its extra Maximize button, which appears next to the Minimize/Maximize/Kill buttons at the top right corner of each window. The dialog that pops up, when I click on that new Maximize button, informs me that I must have a perfectly rectangular setup to use Hydravision Maximize. Instead, when I manually drag right borders, I get a screwy result where the left side of the application, in 17" Monitor 1, appears at a lower height than the right side of the application in 19% Monitor 2. Just now, as I was retracing my steps, so as to write this down correctly, I tried switching to Basic View. This opened up a wizard that offered to "setup my display configuration." I tried it. It didn't add anything to what I had already figured out. Apparently ATI requires your "Main" monitor to be your left-hand monitor -- which doesn't work in my case because of the physical layout of my workspace. I want the right-hand monitor to be the main one. So possibly I will not be able to install toolbars on the right-hand monitor. That's as far as I've gotten right now. |
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ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB -- Dual Monitor Setup
Just now, as I was retracing my steps, so as to write this down
correctly, I tried switching to Basic View. This opened up a wizard that offered to "setup my display configuration." I tried it. It didn't add anything to what I had already figured out. Apparently ATI requires your "Main" monitor to be your left-hand monitor -- which doesn't work in my case because of the physical layout of my workspace. I want the right-hand monitor to be the main one. Further tinkering and completion of the basic wizard reveals that the question about the arrangement of the monitors comes later in the process. First they put all of your applications on the opposite monitors from how you have it set up; they reverse the resolutions so that you can barely see what you're doing; they ask you if this looks good -- and then, to prove that they were just kidding, they give you a chance to set the right-hand monitor to be your main monitor at long last. (Sigh.) All's well that ends well, although all's better if it ends sooner and with less confusion. One funky artifact: the coolswitching dialog (i.e., switching applications with the Alt-Tab key combination) opens up in the secondary monitor, not the main monitor. So I have to turn my head over to that other monitor every time I want to switch applications, unless I want to go back to using the mouse every time I switch apps. I'm open to ideas on how to get the coolswitching dialog to appear in the primary monitor. Another incidental foible: the weather alert slider in Forecastfox (and probably other things as well) now appear primarily in the secondary monitor, bleeding over to the primary monitor at a different height. It's not a pretty picture. |
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ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB -- Dual Monitor Setup
Clint wrote:
Well, I'm not going to respond to your entire post, because I'm not really sure if you had a question. But I will suggest you look into an application called Ultramon. As far as I'm concerned, it's a "must-have" if you use multiple monitors. There's probably other applications like it, but that's my choice. Thanks, Clint. Yeah, I have a number of questions in that post, but if it's too long, no problem. I did notice some references to Ultramon when I was browsing before posting, but I was hesitating to spend $40 for solutions that I hoped I could find via greater familiarity with the included ATI software. |
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ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB -- Dual Monitor Setup
It was a little long. I think they have a trial version, if you want to
give it a whirl. And I think the Hydravision software from ATI is supposed to perform similar functionality. Clint "Ray" wrote in message oups.com... Clint wrote: Well, I'm not going to respond to your entire post, because I'm not really sure if you had a question. But I will suggest you look into an application called Ultramon. As far as I'm concerned, it's a "must-have" if you use multiple monitors. There's probably other applications like it, but that's my choice. Thanks, Clint. Yeah, I have a number of questions in that post, but if it's too long, no problem. I did notice some references to Ultramon when I was browsing before posting, but I was hesitating to spend $40 for solutions that I hoped I could find via greater familiarity with the included ATI software. |
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