Ms-Dos and Windows 7 have a major weakness related to date/times when copieing files.

Hello,

My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual
harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it.

I was in doubt if I should delete the old one... fortunately I did not...
first of all I did not know if the copy proceeded correctly... since I was
webbrowsing while it copied.

Second of all I already know windows can fok up simple things like this.
Also ya never know when there might be a bit error/corruption going on... so
good idea to keep the old one for a while.. and test the new one.

And sure enough windows 7 made a complete mess out of the date and time of
the folders mostly and the files too.

Some folders have the new date when the copied happened and some have the
old date...

It's completely weird how this happens.

What's even worse is that ms-dos has no command for as far as I know that
can change a file's date or time ? Otherwise it could be as simple as
creating a batchfile to scan the old folder structure and apply it to the
new one...

But maybe that not possible anyway.

The same happened to my old source code files... which is also kinda
painfull.

I guess I will have to write a tool... to scan the old folders and old
files... for creation dates/times and modification dates/times and then
apply them to the new files.

I have also seen some weird advice like use xcopy or even more dangerous
like robocopy...

Such advice is bad in general... a fokkup in such a command could be a very
costly mistake... for example forgetting the subdirectory command for xcopy
? or even worse.... robocopy can delete files.

In other words... copieing files via some ****ty ms-dos command is a no-no
in the year 2015.

1 simply copy & paste operation was enough to copy the entire "music" folder
from disk to disk.

I find it hard to swallow... that such a FOK UP by Microsoft has not been
corrected yet ?! There is no option in Explorer to change the way it copies
files and folders ?!

There is no option to enable a pop-up asking you how you would like windows
to copy the files ?!

But Microsoft ISSS Busy... installing all kinds of SPYWARE crap on my PC ?!

As far as I am concerned Windows 7 IS COMPLETELY UNUSABLE/UNRELIABLE for any
RELIABLE archiving.... of files/information where date and time is important
?!

Fricking crazy that something as simply as keeping track of dates and times
is apperently completely beyond their comprehension ?!

Bye,
Skybuck.

On 11/11/2015 11:50 AM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hello,

My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual
harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it.

I was in doubt if I should delete the old one... fortunately I did not...
first of all I did not know if the copy proceeded correctly... since I was
webbrowsing while it copied.

Second of all I already know windows can fok up simple things like this.
Also ya never know when there might be a bit error/corruption going on... so
good idea to keep the old one for a while.. and test the new one.

And sure enough windows 7 made a complete mess out of the date and time of
the folders mostly and the files too.

Some folders have the new date when the copied happened and some have the
old date...

It's completely weird how this happens.

What's even worse is that ms-dos has no command for as far as I know that
can change a file's date or time ? Otherwise it could be as simple as
creating a batchfile to scan the old folder structure and apply it to the
new one...

But maybe that not possible anyway.

The same happened to my old source code files... which is also kinda
painfull.

I guess I will have to write a tool... to scan the old folders and old
files... for creation dates/times and modification dates/times and then
apply them to the new files.

I have also seen some weird advice like use xcopy or even more dangerous
like robocopy...

Such advice is bad in general... a fokkup in such a command could be a very
costly mistake... for example forgetting the subdirectory command for xcopy
? or even worse.... robocopy can delete files.

In other words... copieing files via some ****ty ms-dos command is a no-no
in the year 2015.

1 simply copy & paste operation was enough to copy the entire "music" folder
from disk to disk.

I find it hard to swallow... that such a FOK UP by Microsoft has not been
corrected yet ?! There is no option in Explorer to change the way it copies
files and folders ?!

There is no option to enable a pop-up asking you how you would like windows
to copy the files ?!

But Microsoft ISSS Busy... installing all kinds of SPYWARE crap on my PC ?!

As far as I am concerned Windows 7 IS COMPLETELY UNUSABLE/UNRELIABLE for any
RELIABLE archiving.... of files/information where date and time is important
?!

Fricking crazy that something as simply as keeping track of dates and times
is apperently completely beyond their comprehension ?!

Bye,
Skybuck.


In general, I have observed that copying causes the new copy to have the
date-time stamp of when the copy was done. On the other hand moving
(cut and paste) causes the result to keep the the date-time stamp of the
original.

--
David E. Ross

Is Kim Davis a hero or a villain? See my
http://www.rossde.com/KimDavis.html.

Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hello,

My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual
harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it.


Use Robocopy.

robocopy E:\ F:\ /mir /copy:datso /dcopy:t /r:3 /w:2 /zb /np /tee /v /log:robocopy_E_to_F.log

Paul

"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message
...

What's even worse is that ms-dos has no command for as far as I know
that can change a file's date or time ? Otherwise it could be as simple
as creating a batchfile to scan the old folder structure and apply it to
the new one...

Bye,
Skybuck.

You can try FileMenuTools
http://www.lopesoft.com/en/filemenutools

"Paul" wrote in message ...

Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hello,

My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual
harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it.


"
Use Robocopy.

robocopy E:\ F:\ /mir /copy:datso /dcopy:t /r:3 /w:2 /zb /np /tee /v
/log:robocopy_E_to_F.log
"

Are you serious ?! Such a complex command line, no hair on my head.

Google this tool. It's very dangerous.

It can delete original files.

I don't even want to hear or read the word "delete" in a copy tool, delete
anything is completely out of the question.

Another stupid tool from Microsoft as far as I am concerned... and very
dangerous to recommend this to people.

The stupidity of it knows no bounderies.

Bye,
Skybuck.

Not going to try any tool that has not been tested 100.000.000 times for my
data.

Bye,
Skybuck.

Skybuck Flying wrote:


"Paul" wrote in message ...

Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hello,

My music virtual harddisk ran out of space. So I created a new virtual
harddisk/volume of 24 GB and copied to previous 16 GB towards it.


"
Use Robocopy.

robocopy E:\ F:\ /mir /copy:datso /dcopy:t /r:3 /w:2 /zb /np /tee /v
/log:robocopy_E_to_F.log
"

Are you serious ?! Such a complex command line, no hair on my head.

Google this tool. It's very dangerous.

It can delete original files.

I don't even want to hear or read the word "delete" in a copy tool,
delete anything is completely out of the question.

Another stupid tool from Microsoft as far as I am concerned... and very
dangerous to recommend this to people.

The stupidity of it knows no bounderies.

Bye,
Skybuck.

It's a perfectly good tool. When used in moderation.

There is a GUI available to run Robocopy, but I wouldn't
use it.

Yes, read the manual page for it, before you use it. If
you want the proper date stamps on the file, that's your
tool.

And if you don't want mirroring, don't use /mir :-)

It won't erase ****, if you don't use /mir. I have
a particular usage for that command, and /mir suits
my purposes. "Salt to taste" as they say in cooking school.

Paul

Amazingly enough cut & paste works to keep the date and time.

Even when cut&pasting from disk to disk.

Bye,
Skybuck.

People my mistakes.

I don't want to use a tool... where making a mistake could lead to dissaster
!

Robocopy is not really a copieing tool.

It seems to be a synchronization tool.

I believe I read something that if the destination contains newer files
which are not in the original files.

Then those newer files might be deleted when trying to "sync".

I don't want to have to bother with strange options.

All I want is a simply copy operation with date/time.

This robocopy tool is clearly complete overkill and dangerous.

Bye,
Skybuck.

Skybuck Flying wrote:


This robocopy tool is clearly complete overkill and dangerous.

It's a beautiful tool, with one of the first implementations
of overlapping disk I/O while copying.

Paul