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"Dell's halo is fading"
Quoted from PCWorld's latest Reliability & Service survey:
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...09,pg,1,00.asp. I hadn't realized how far things had gone he e.g. on its low-end systems, they have a 90-day warranty and for ~$25. you can get it extended to 1-year.... is that nuts or what? Makes ya wonder how many bad capacitors it'd take to sink the company; when you stretch the elastic that far, the snap-back can be vicious.:-) -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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"Dell's halo is fading"
In article , fammacd=!
says... Quoted from PCWorld's latest Reliability & Service survey: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...09,pg,1,00.asp. I hadn't realized how far things had gone he e.g. on its low-end systems, they have a 90-day warranty and for ~$25. you can get it extended to 1-year.... is that nuts or what? Makes ya wonder how many bad capacitors it'd take to sink the company; when you stretch the elastic that far, the snap-back can be vicious.:-) Hmm, why did your last sentence give me a mental image of Mikey getting a wedgie? ;-) -- Keith |
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"Dell's halo is fading"
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:59:13 -0500, Keith wrote:
In article , fammacd=! says... Quoted from PCWorld's latest Reliability & Service survey: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...09,pg,1,00.asp. I hadn't realized how far things had gone he e.g. on its low-end systems, they have a 90-day warranty and for ~$25. you can get it extended to 1-year.... is that nuts or what? Makes ya wonder how many bad capacitors it'd take to sink the company; when you stretch the elastic that far, the snap-back can be vicious.:-) Hmm, why did your last sentence give me a mental image of Mikey getting a wedgie? ;-) Do ya think.... Mikey wears a thong?:-) -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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"Dell's halo is fading"
In article , fammacd=!
says... On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:59:13 -0500, Keith wrote: In article , fammacd=! says... Quoted from PCWorld's latest Reliability & Service survey: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...09,pg,1,00.asp. I hadn't realized how far things had gone he e.g. on its low-end systems, they have a 90-day warranty and for ~$25. you can get it extended to 1-year.... is that nuts or what? Makes ya wonder how many bad capacitors it'd take to sink the company; when you stretch the elastic that far, the snap-back can be vicious.:-) Hmm, why did your last sentence give me a mental image of Mikey getting a wedgie? ;-) Do ya think.... Mikey wears a thong?:-) Now you've gone and done it. I'll never be able to sleep! -- Keith |
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"Dell's halo is fading"
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:08:56 -0500, George Macdonald
wrote: Quoted from PCWorld's latest Reliability & Service survey: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...09,pg,1,00.asp. I hadn't realized how far things had gone he e.g. on its low-end systems, they have a 90-day warranty and for ~$25. you can get it extended to 1-year.... is that nuts or what? Makes ya wonder how many bad capacitors it'd take to sink the company; when you stretch the elastic that far, the snap-back can be vicious.:-) What a news - Dull Computer sucked for long, long time. I thought that at least their business line was OK. But after being issued with brand spanking new Latitude D610 (? - can't look at it - don't work there anymore) it came on me right away that I like my wife's old T22 much better. Everything from style (hated that grayish-silvery paint job) to screen (same size, same res, but old IBM looks much crispier) to docking (IBM is a snap, and with Dell you need to actively search for that position to push it down) to weight (you can feel these few extra oz when you carry it on your shoulder a noticeable distance). IBM even feels more responsive even though it's only P3M 900, and the Dell had something like PM 1.4(or was it 1.6?). The only good thing about Dell was Centrino wireless - worked much faster than PC card WI-FI a-b-g in the same spot in my house. To sum it up, Dell lost the last drop of my respect with that lappy, and I was almost happy returning it back to the employer when the project was over. That's what happend when they sent production to China, support to India, and R&D, that always was cut to the bone, someplace in Asia (India? Taiwan? doesn't matter - outsourced to 3rd party anyway). Now they are purely consumer brand and marketing company. Even at that, they seem to do everything to make the brand lose its premium luster. No wonder Mickey is about to lose his #1 preferred customer spot at INTC to Steve. NNN As a side note - I suspect Lenovo Thinkpad is not, or soon will be not of the same league as IBM Thinkpad. So what will remain when one needs to buy a laptop say a year from now? Just please don't say HP - after Carly's tenure they are not any better than Dell. |
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"Dell's halo is fading"
"no" == nobody@nowhere net writes:
no On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:08:56 -0500, George Macdonald no wrote: Quoted from PCWorld's latest Reliability & Service survey: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...09,pg,1,00.asp. I hadn't realized how far things had gone he e.g. on its low-end systems, they have a 90-day warranty and for ~$25. you can get it extended to 1-year.... is that nuts or what? Makes ya wonder how many bad capacitors it'd take to sink the company; when you stretch the elastic that far, the snap-back can be vicious.:-) Bottom line here, and dell works for the shareholders and not the users . Some of those other brands you can't even get any support even though you have a one year warranty. no What a news - Dull Computer sucked for long, long time. I thought no that at least their business line was OK. But after being issued no with brand spanking new Latitude D610 (? - can't look at it - no don't work there anymore) it came on me right away that I like my no wife's old T22 much better. Everything from style (hated that no grayish-silvery paint job) to screen (same size, same res, but no old IBM looks much crispier) to docking (IBM is a snap, and with no Dell you need to actively search for that position to push it no down) to weight (you can feel these few extra oz when you carry no it on your shoulder a noticeable distance). IBM even feels more no responsive even though it's only P3M 900, and the Dell had no something like PM 1.4(or was it 1.6?). The only good thing about no Dell was Centrino wireless - worked much faster than PC card no WI-FI a-b-g in the same spot in my house. To sum it up, Dell lost no the last drop of my respect with that lappy, and I was almost no happy returning it back to the employer when the project was no over. That's what happend when they sent production to China, no support to India, and R&D, that always was cut to the bone, no someplace in Asia (India? Taiwan? doesn't matter - outsourced to no 3rd party anyway). Now they are purely consumer brand and no marketing company. Even at that, they seem to do everything to no make the brand lose its premium luster. No wonder Mickey is about no to lose his #1 preferred customer spot at INTC to Steve. no NNN Another point with the new laptops and xp. The last several laptops I have seen running this XP had some type of CPU speed reduction to increase battery life. So one reason they are less responsive is because of this. Turn it off and the laptop is much quicker, but battery life goes away rapidly. I think you can disable this when connected to AC. All dells don't suck. Some of them are actually good. The cost cutting is having an impact on the whole industry. Buyer beware. I have been lucky with the two dell laptops I have recently purchased the 600m and 700m. Both have done very well so far, but time will tell. True. However, someone will have to make a high end (durable laptop) because there is a market for such a laptop. I suspect the main drivers of the laptop market today are college students and even high school students. Doubt if Mom/Pop will want to pay too much and 500 bucks looks about the right price point. Hay all they are doing is wordprocessing and hooking up the ipod. That's about it. Whatever. |
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"Dell's halo is fading"
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:30:22 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote: The Dells and IBMs were always produced in China as far back as I can remember. Prior to that they may have been produced in Taiwan, which is not that far from China anyways. Most IBM ThinkPads for the North American market were assembled in Mexico until a few years ago. IBM build that plant specifically for ThinkPad assembly. Production switched to China maybe 3-4 years ago. IBM/Lenovo still has the R&D center in Raleigh, N.C., the call center in Atlanta, and the corporate headquarters in N.Y. Dell has at least one desktop assembly plant in the U.S., in North Carolina: http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topi...us&l=en&s=corp As for support, I think a lot of Dell's support is actually coming from Canada. My younger brother might be getting a job at Dell pretty soon. Dell has taken over an old building previously owned by DEC-Compaq-HP in Ottawa, so it looks like they are outsourcing that to Canada these days. According to the article referenced above, Dell also has a call center in Oklahoma. And they have other operations in the U.S., including the corporate headquarters in Texas. I'm not defending Dell, but they do seem to have as least some of their operations in the U.S. |
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"Dell's halo is fading"
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:19:33 GMT, "
wrote: On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:08:56 -0500, George Macdonald wrote: Quoted from PCWorld's latest Reliability & Service survey: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...09,pg,1,00.asp. I hadn't realized how far things had gone he e.g. on its low-end systems, they have a 90-day warranty and for ~$25. you can get it extended to 1-year.... is that nuts or what? Makes ya wonder how many bad capacitors it'd take to sink the company; when you stretch the elastic that far, the snap-back can be vicious.:-) What a news - Dull Computer sucked for long, long time. I thought that at least their business line was OK. But after being issued with brand spanking new Latitude D610 (? - can't look at it - don't work there anymore) it came on me right away that I like my wife's old T22 much better. Everything from style (hated that grayish-silvery paint job) to screen (same size, same res, but old IBM looks much crispier) to docking (IBM is a snap, and with Dell you need to actively search for that position to push it down) to weight (you can feel these few extra oz when you carry it on your shoulder a noticeable distance). IBM even feels more responsive even though it's only P3M 900, and the Dell had something like PM 1.4(or was it 1.6?). The only good thing about Dell was Centrino wireless - worked much faster than PC card WI-FI a-b-g in the same spot in my house. To sum it up, Dell lost the last drop of my respect with that lappy, and I was almost happy returning it back to the employer when the project was over. That's what happend when they sent production to China, support to India, and R&D, that always was cut to the bone, someplace in Asia (India? Taiwan? doesn't matter - outsourced to 3rd party anyway). Now they are purely consumer brand and marketing company. Even at that, they seem to do everything to make the brand lose its premium luster. No wonder Mickey is about to lose his #1 preferred customer spot at INTC to Steve. That's a kinda big leap for Apple - from 5%(?) market share to the same league as Dell. What would all the Apple-weenies think if they see their "premium brand" assigned to dumping Celerons? As for Dell I don't want one of those things -- laptop or desktop -- near our office network - someone from one of our offices brought a Dell laptop in and hooked up for a few days and every time he powered it off, it hung the hub, i.e. the entire network. He also had trouble with the notorious drifting cursor - embarrassing when doing a demo for a client and you can't seem to control your system.:-) Dell could not correct the problem. NNN As a side note - I suspect Lenovo Thinkpad is not, or soon will be not of the same league as IBM Thinkpad. So what will remain when one needs to buy a laptop say a year from now? Just please don't say HP - after Carly's tenure they are not any better than Dell. I'm somewhat hopeful for Lenovo keeping the IBM quality - it's early yet but the initial signs are good though they still seem to have the IBM logo... which IIRC Lenovo has the right to use for a year or two. Toshiba used to do a business quality laptop a few years ago but they seemed to drop the ball when they brought out those cheap-looking shiney black plastic cases - really looks consumer-grade stuff. They've said they want to attack the business market again but I haven't seen any signs yet. -- Rgds, George Macdonald |
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"Dell's halo is fading"
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:49:48 -0500, George Macdonald
wrote: ....snip... No wonder Mickey is about to lose his #1 preferred customer spot at INTC to Steve. That's a kinda big leap for Apple - from 5%(?) market share to the same league as Dell. What would all the Apple-weenies think if they see their "premium brand" assigned to dumping Celerons? ....more snip... As for the volume, yes, AAPL will never use up as much Celery, but Dull will continue consuming them by truckloads, preferred status or not. But from marketing standpoint Apple brand has as much, if not more, cachet. So expect that after traditional Intel's paper launch of new latest and greatest chips, that symbolic quantity that went to Mickey first for years, will be redirected to Steve. Not sure about Xeons though - I don't see Apple making a lot of use of these, or even a lot of noise, except maybe the noise of oversized jet engine-shaped coolers the latest Intel chips need to avoid melting down. ;-) NNN |
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