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Windows 10 and Laser printer
Rabid Robot wrote:
On 2019-08-22 3:00 p.m., Johnny wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:15:14 -0500 Rene Lamontagne wrote: Windows 10 version 1903 OS build 18362.239. Printer Okidata c5150n, driver C51200GDEA.exe Couple days ago I sent a file to the printer but nothing happened, I last used it a couple weeks ago and it was fine then. Did a bunch of things such as delete and reinstall driver, tried it in USB and network modes, nothing, no messages or warnings but found it had disappeared from the add printers page, tried to add printer but no luck, tried new Lan and USB cables, zilch, Ran up a Linux Mint live USB stick and the printer works fine, Same for MX Linux. So the printer is OK and it has to be our friendly Windows again with their lovely update gifts , I suspect another crappy update so even tried a new fresh install, Nope still no printer, So who has an idea on how to proceed now? thanks for all help and ideas. Rene Maybe Windows 10 just stopped supporting it. I think I remember you saying it was an old printer. I just wanted to tell you, that now you can make the scroll bars as wide as you want them in Linux Mint Cinnamon. Score one for Linux in its dedication to supporting all hardware whether outdated or not. With Windows, keeping a printer running is a measure of your ingenuity. It's possible to make ancient crap run, if you know all the recipes. Sometimes, a "look alike" driver happens to make another printer run. There are "universal drivers" for some printer categories (more than one category too), which can be used if the manufacturer doesn't have a specific driver. I was using that approach, to build a "Postscript printer to FILE" for some of my setups here. (I was then using Distiller to make PDFs from that. Windows 10 makes PDFs directly, so that approach isn't necessary there now.) What Rene just did, try an INF, is just one of the options. There is also some Windows Update thing, where a whole library of ancient printer drivers (maybe even some dot matrix ones) get downloaded, and "that takes an hour to download". So whatever that recipe involves, the arrival of the "kit" is rather lengthy, and might well be fetched one package at a time, rather than being a giant ZIP or something. The trick then, for the poor end user owning just one printer, is which one of those methods will offer "good fishing". And odds are, there isn't a single web page "documenting all the fishing holes you can try". It was the same way with scanners. Some people here, would offer advice right away to just "give up". But some posters manage to get their scanner running anyway, through dogged persistence. Paul |
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Windows 10 and Laser printer
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 01:27:01 -0400, Paul
wrote: Rabid Robot wrote: On 2019-08-22 3:00 p.m., Johnny wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:15:14 -0500 Rene Lamontagne wrote: Windows 10 version 1903 OS build 18362.239. Printer Okidata c5150n, driver C51200GDEA.exe Couple days ago I sent a file to the printer but nothing happened, I last used it a couple weeks ago and it was fine then. Did a bunch of things such as delete and reinstall driver, tried it in USB and network modes, nothing, no messages or warnings but found it had disappeared from the add printers page, tried to add printer but no luck, tried new Lan and USB cables, zilch, Ran up a Linux Mint live USB stick and the printer works fine, Same for MX Linux. So the printer is OK and it has to be our friendly Windows again with their lovely update gifts , I suspect another crappy update so even tried a new fresh install, Nope still no printer, So who has an idea on how to proceed now? thanks for all help and ideas. Rene Maybe Windows 10 just stopped supporting it. I think I remember you saying it was an old printer. I just wanted to tell you, that now you can make the scroll bars as wide as you want them in Linux Mint Cinnamon. Score one for Linux in its dedication to supporting all hardware whether outdated or not. With Windows, keeping a printer running is a measure of your ingenuity. It's possible to make ancient crap run, if you know all the recipes. Sometimes, a "look alike" driver happens to make another printer run. There are "universal drivers" for some printer categories (more than one category too), which can be used if the manufacturer doesn't have a specific driver. I was using that approach, to build a "Postscript printer to FILE" for some of my setups here. (I was then using Distiller to make PDFs from that. Windows 10 makes PDFs directly, so that approach isn't necessary there now.) What Rene just did, try an INF, is just one of the options. There is also some Windows Update thing, where a whole library of ancient printer drivers (maybe even some dot matrix ones) get downloaded, and "that takes an hour to download". So whatever that recipe involves, the arrival of the "kit" is rather lengthy, and might well be fetched one package at a time, rather than being a giant ZIP or something. The trick then, for the poor end user owning just one printer, is which one of those methods will offer "good fishing". And odds are, there isn't a single web page "documenting all the fishing holes you can try". It was the same way with scanners. Some people here, would offer advice right away to just "give up". But some posters manage to get their scanner running anyway, through dogged persistence. At the other end of the life cycle the advice should be to buy a good and uptodate printer liable to be supported for a long time. I tend to do that when buying gear and this thread has brought me to the realisation that I am still able to run my 15 year old printer under Windows 10. -- Eric Stevens There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into two classes and those who don't. I belong to the second class. |
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Windows 10 and Laser printer
On 2019-08-23 4:13 a.m., Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 01:27:01 -0400, Paul wrote: Rabid Robot wrote: On 2019-08-22 3:00 p.m., Johnny wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:15:14 -0500 Rene Lamontagne wrote: Windows 10 version 1903 OS build 18362.239. Printer Okidata c5150n, driver C51200GDEA.exe Couple days ago I sent a file to the printer but nothing happened, I last used it a couple weeks ago and it was fine then. Did a bunch of things such as delete and reinstall driver, tried it in USB and network modes, nothing, no messages or warnings but found it had disappeared from the add printers page, tried to add printer but no luck, tried new Lan and USB cables, zilch, Ran up a Linux Mint live USB stick and the printer works fine, Same for MX Linux. So the printer is OK and it has to be our friendly Windows again with their lovely update gifts , I suspect another crappy update so even tried a new fresh install, Nope still no printer, So who has an idea on how to proceed now? thanks for all help and ideas. Rene Maybe Windows 10 just stopped supporting it. I think I remember you saying it was an old printer. I just wanted to tell you, that now you can make the scroll bars as wide as you want them in Linux Mint Cinnamon. Score one for Linux in its dedication to supporting all hardware whether outdated or not. With Windows, keeping a printer running is a measure of your ingenuity. It's possible to make ancient crap run, if you know all the recipes. Sometimes, a "look alike" driver happens to make another printer run. There are "universal drivers" for some printer categories (more than one category too), which can be used if the manufacturer doesn't have a specific driver. I was using that approach, to build a "Postscript printer to FILE" for some of my setups here. (I was then using Distiller to make PDFs from that. Windows 10 makes PDFs directly, so that approach isn't necessary there now.) What Rene just did, try an INF, is just one of the options. There is also some Windows Update thing, where a whole library of ancient printer drivers (maybe even some dot matrix ones) get downloaded, and "that takes an hour to download". So whatever that recipe involves, the arrival of the "kit" is rather lengthy, and might well be fetched one package at a time, rather than being a giant ZIP or something. The trick then, for the poor end user owning just one printer, is which one of those methods will offer "good fishing". And odds are, there isn't a single web page "documenting all the fishing holes you can try". It was the same way with scanners. Some people here, would offer advice right away to just "give up". But some posters manage to get their scanner running anyway, through dogged persistence. At the other end of the life cycle the advice should be to buy a good and uptodate printer liable to be supported for a long time. I tend to do that when buying gear and this thread has brought me to the realisation that I am still able to run my 15 year old printer under Windows 10. Yes, I did try the Windows update thing and It took forever but alas, my printer was not listed, The thing was I have the proper OKI driver and it installs fine but something in Windows was breaking it, Running that inf cured it for whatever reason. Okidata makes great printers and good drivers, 12 years and the original driver still works in Windows 10. Rene |
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Windows 10 and Laser printer
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-23 4:13 a.m., Eric Stevens wrote: On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 01:27:01 -0400, Paul wrote: Rabid Robot wrote: On 2019-08-22 3:00 p.m., Johnny wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:15:14 -0500 Rene Lamontagne wrote: Windows 10 version 1903 OS build 18362.239. Printer Okidata c5150n, driver C51200GDEA.exe Couple days ago I sent a file to the printer but nothing happened, I last used it a couple weeks ago and it was fine then. Did a bunch of things such as delete and reinstall driver, tried it in USB and network modes, nothing, no messages or warnings but found it had disappeared from the add printers page, tried to add printer but no luck, tried new Lan and USB cables, zilch, Ran up a Linux Mint live USB stick and the printer works fine, Same for MX Linux. So the printer is OK and it has to be our friendly Windows again with their lovely update gifts , I suspect another crappy update so even tried a new fresh install, Nope still no printer, So who has an idea on how to proceed now? thanks for all help and ideas. Rene Maybe Windows 10 just stopped supporting it. I think I remember you saying it was an old printer. I just wanted to tell you, that now you can make the scroll bars as wide as you want them in Linux Mint Cinnamon. Score one for Linux in its dedication to supporting all hardware whether outdated or not. With Windows, keeping a printer running is a measure of your ingenuity. It's possible to make ancient crap run, if you know all the recipes. Sometimes, a "look alike" driver happens to make another printer run. There are "universal drivers" for some printer categories (more than one category too), which can be used if the manufacturer doesn't have a specific driver. I was using that approach, to build a "Postscript printer to FILE" for some of my setups here. (I was then using Distiller to make PDFs from that. Windows 10 makes PDFs directly, so that approach isn't necessary there now.) What Rene just did, try an INF, is just one of the options. There is also some Windows Update thing, where a whole library of ancient printer drivers (maybe even some dot matrix ones) get downloaded, and "that takes an hour to download". So whatever that recipe involves, the arrival of the "kit" is rather lengthy, and might well be fetched one package at a time, rather than being a giant ZIP or something. The trick then, for the poor end user owning just one printer, is which one of those methods will offer "good fishing". And odds are, there isn't a single web page "documenting all the fishing holes you can try". It was the same way with scanners. Some people here, would offer advice right away to just "give up". But some posters manage to get their scanner running anyway, through dogged persistence. At the other end of the life cycle the advice should be to buy a good and uptodate printer liable to be supported for a long time. I tend to do that when buying gear and this thread has brought me to the realisation that I am still able to run my 15 year old printer under Windows 10. Yes, I did try the Windows update thing and It took forever but alas, my printer was not listed, The thing was I have the proper OKI driver and it installs fine but something in Windows was breaking it, Running that inf cured it for whatever reason. Okidata makes great printers and good drivers, 12 years and the original driver still works in Windows 10. Rene It's possible, during an OS Upgrade (to 1903), that the INF did not get re-applied to the OS. The drivers may be getting reinstalled, after Windows is moved to Windows.old . A new Windows folder is built. Something has to put drivers in it. Maybe only certain driver installation formats are supported. (The OS likes to cache .msi files perhaps.) I don't know if "bare" INF files receive as good coverage. They should, realistically speaking. There should be a feature for that, because it's a basic way that Device Manager has of installing a driver. Is the signing "right" for that, on an older driver ? Who knows. They've switched to SHA2 only very recently for Windows Update, but that isn't likely to apply to drivers - with drivers it's more likely to be "signing" with some sort of certificate, as proof of purchase. I think that was a problem for SpeedFan at one time. You couldn't install giveio.sys in an x64 system, unless the driver was "signed". The author of SpeedFan then had to set about getting a certificate for signing, so this would still work. Giveio was some means of "punching thru" the Ring 3 to Ring 0 area, so the fan speed registers could be written. Companies like Asus got around this, by using an ACPI driver (ATK0110), so they could have direct access to hardware. And the BIOS would present an item as an ACPI object in a BIOS table. It's possible no changes are necessary to the driver code, and merely "re-packaging" the driver installer would fix it. Some of the Promise storage cards, had dreadful drivers. Because they required the INF method for everything. And that's about the lowest form of support the OS has. It takes a *lot* of practice, to become "good" with Promise drivers. Like switching between RAID and non-RAID drivers on a 378. Very hard to figure out and do (hard to tell which driver is currently installed and what to do next). And with no documentation of note, you had to figure this stuff out on your own. With packaged drivers, the OS seems to do a better job. Paul |
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Windows 10 and Laser printer
Il giorno Thu 22 Aug 2019 08:15:14p, *Rene Lamontagne* ha inviato su
alt.comp.os.windows-10 il messaggio . Vediamo cosa ha scritto: So the printer is OK and it has to be our friendly Windows again with their lovely update gifts , I suspect another crappy update so even tried a new fresh install, Nope still no printer, So who has an idea on how to proceed now? thanks for all help and ideas. system restore -- /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ T /-\ -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- - -=- http://www.bb2002.it ............ [ al lavoro ] ........... |
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Windows 10 and Laser printer
Eric Stevens wrote:
[...] I don't know when I got into the the habit but over the years I have saved an 'Inwards' folder which itself contains folders: Acronis Adobe Agent 8 Agent Ransack Apple Arcam Belarc Advisor etc. ... ... which in contain copies of all the files (and more folders) of the software which installed the software on which I depend. For example I have one: Oki C5600 C5600_C5600Win7x64_ENU226_tcm3-364... ... which installs the driver for the OKI C5600. I don't know how I would do a complete reinstall of Windows without all this. Indeed. I follow a similar procedure. To be [f|F]rank, I didn't know there was any other way to do it! :-) For any additional - i.e. not part of Windows - software, I keep the installation package - in my case in C:\packages - *and* document how I installed that software on my system. So if something stops working, or I move to another computer/Windows-version, etc., I just have to check my notes. I.e. in a case comparable to the OP, my documentation file HP_LaserJet_Pro_M1132_MFP. Elementary, dear Watson! |
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Windows 10 and Laser printer
On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 01:27:01 -0400, Paul wrote:
Rabid Robot wrote: Score one for Linux in its dedication to supporting all hardware whether outdated or not. With Windows, keeping a printer running is a measure of your ingenuity. With any printer not working with Windows (Mac, what ever) but Linux, as I mentioned in another article, set Linux up as a print server. For Windows a network printer appears it sends the job to. Linux does the rest. -- Andreas |
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Un-install your Okidata c5150n Printer completely.
On 2019-08-23 3:48 p.m., Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Rene_Lamontagne, Un-install your Okidata c5150n Printer completely. Reinstall it using a version that works with Windows 10 x64. It's fixed read previous posts. Rene |
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Un-install your Okidata c5150n Printer completely.
Rene_Lamontagne,
Un-install your Okidata c5150n Printer completely. Reinstall it using a version that works with Windows 10 x64. |
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