WIN 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
as my established Win XP .

A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
existing Hardware.

The standard basic stuff....Hard Drives...DVD Drive ...USB Memory Sticks
....Graphics Card ...centronics port printer ...
is all OK.

BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
GRAPHIC TABLET ..

In all Cases (I have been trying & trying every which way & trick)
The drivers & application appeara to install
all OK but WIN 7 then reports they are not functioning / Responding .

The problem seems to lie in the way the USB connection is used.

Most of these have indicator lights on them which should light up about 1/2
way through a Windows Startup with the application that use them
turning those lights on fully when its Run.

There is no sign of any activity with Win 7 .Is this a known issue ???

I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
& these Devices were all OK. there.
There all some years old & do not have
Win 7 Drivers released (does anything !!???)

The USB type of ADSL Modem is very widely in use and my, VERY
comprehensive, searching finds that not one brand will work in Win 7 !!!
& I can't find anybody any Net place that HAS got one to work.

*(And, yes, yes, I know we should all 'Get With It' & buy a 'connect multi
computers Router Modems & squirt Wireless noise around ...wonderful
complexity !)*

But real life aint like that for a lot of users the prospect of paying out
more money on replacement Hardware than the new O/S cost is not on.

The more I find out the more Windows 7 is looking VERY different from Vista
& not the re-packaged tidied up 'same as Vista really' of most popular
thought.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse (He's Not Happy)

Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:
WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
as my established Win XP .

A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
existing Hardware.

The standard basic stuff....Hard Drives...DVD Drive ...USB Memory Sticks
...Graphics Card ...centronics port printer ...
is all OK.

BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
GRAPHIC TABLET ..

In all Cases (I have been trying & trying every which way & trick)
The drivers & application appeara to install
all OK but WIN 7 then reports they are not functioning / Responding .

The problem seems to lie in the way the USB connection is used.

Most of these have indicator lights on them which should light up about 1/2
way through a Windows Startup with the application that use them
turning those lights on fully when its Run.

There is no sign of any activity with Win 7 .Is this a known issue ???

I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
& these Devices were all OK. there.
There all some years old & do not have
Win 7 Drivers released (does anything !!???)

The USB type of ADSL Modem is very widely in use and my, VERY
comprehensive, searching finds that not one brand will work in Win 7 !!!
& I can't find anybody any Net place that HAS got one to work.

*(And, yes, yes, I know we should all 'Get With It' & buy a 'connect multi
computers Router Modems & squirt Wireless noise around ...wonderful
complexity !)*

But real life aint like that for a lot of users the prospect of paying out
more money on replacement Hardware than the new O/S cost is not on.

The more I find out the more Windows 7 is looking VERY different from Vista
& not the re-packaged tidied up 'same as Vista really' of most popular
thought.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse (He's Not Happy)


Have you actually tried the Windows 7 upgrade advisor? Have you checked
with the manufacturers of all of your hardware to see if the devices are
W7 compliant?

--
"Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
- Linus Torvalds

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/se...35&tag=nl.e101

Yes .
Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not.
All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of
production.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:07:45 -0000, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
wrote:

WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
as my established Win XP .

A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
existing Hardware.

I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
GRAPHIC TABLET ..

If the modem has an Ethernet port, switch to that and don't look back.
It'll cost you the price of an Ethernet cable.

Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:
WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
as my established Win XP .

A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
existing Hardware.

The standard basic stuff....Hard Drives...DVD Drive ...USB Memory Sticks
...Graphics Card ...centronics port printer ...
is all OK.

BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
GRAPHIC TABLET ..

In all Cases (I have been trying & trying every which way & trick)
The drivers & application appeara to install
all OK but WIN 7 then reports they are not functioning / Responding .

The problem seems to lie in the way the USB connection is used.

Most of these have indicator lights on them which should light up about 1/2
way through a Windows Startup with the application that use them
turning those lights on fully when its Run.

There is no sign of any activity with Win 7 .Is this a known issue ???

I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
& these Devices were all OK. there.
There all some years old & do not have
Win 7 Drivers released (does anything !!???)

The USB type of ADSL Modem is very widely in use and my, VERY
comprehensive, searching finds that not one brand will work in Win 7 !!!
& I can't find anybody any Net place that HAS got one to work.

*(And, yes, yes, I know we should all 'Get With It' & buy a 'connect multi
computers Router Modems & squirt Wireless noise around ...wonderful
complexity !)*

But real life aint like that for a lot of users the prospect of paying out
more money on replacement Hardware than the new O/S cost is not on.

The more I find out the more Windows 7 is looking VERY different from Vista
& not the re-packaged tidied up 'same as Vista really' of most popular
thought.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse (He's Not Happy)


To start with, are the same number of USB entries in Device Manager in
Win7, as in WinXP ? There should be, as both Win7 and WinXP would have
built-in support for the USB logic blocks in your chipset.

If the USB section is missing, or if there are fewer entries than there should
be, then the built-in drivers haven't installed for some reason. On my existing
computer, I did have one occasion where an entry was missing, I had the
exclamation mark, and I had to ask the OS to install a driver from its
built-in collection and that worked.

On top of that, USB uses standard classes. The USB.org site, lists all the
standard classes of devices defined for USB. If a manufacturer uses the
standard register definitions and config info shown in these specs, it
improves the odds of the devices working with no additional drivers.

http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs

Some of the Windows built-in support, is shown in tables here.

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/connec...faq_intro.mspx

For example, take the Mass storage class (MSC) using Usbstor.sys .
When you plug in a USB flash stick, that driver helps it work.
If you plug in a USB enclosure with a hard drive inside, that one
might be involved as well. I don't have to add any drivers, if I use
my USB flash sticks. Those are examples of things supported
"out-of-the-box".

Your ADSL modem may "light up", as the USB stack may establish
end-point connections to the device. But then, Windows may stop,
because the device doesn't meet any of the standards-defined
items that Windows supports. In which case, you'd need a driver
from Sagem, to make the ADSL modem work. If the ADSL modem followed
some defined standard, then maybe this experiment would have had
a different outcome.

I would have expected the USB scanner to be picked up by something
like WIA (Windows Image Acquisition), but perhaps if the thing is
old enough, it doesn't follow any standards either.

Paul

Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:

Yes .
Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not.
All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of
production.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse

you could always try virtualbox which you can install in win7 as a stop gap
for the hardware that you can't use in win7. it is free.

"Trimble Bracegirdle" wrote in message
...
Yes .
Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not.
All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of
production.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse


When you ran the WUA, was all this hardware on and running? Did you get any
warnings about some of your hardware or software?
A few more particulars would be helpful, such as PC type/manufacturer, CPU,
RAM installed, etc. Are you using on-board USB ports, or are you hooking all
this stuff through an external box? If so, is it self-powered, or externally
powered?
So far, I haven't run into anything that I couldn't get to work with Win7,
USB or not, and some of my stuff is pretty old in computer years. Guess I've
been lucky. I have to use Vista drivers on my all-in-one printer, but it
works fine.
One suggestion was to hook your modem up with UTP instead of USB if it's
capable. I wholeheartedly agree with that, even if it means getting a $20
internal NIC. My speeds are much better with a more consistent connection
and fewer download errors.
--
SC Tom

In article , Trimble
Bracegirdle says...

BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
GRAPHIC TABLET ..

Have you actually bothered going to the manufacturers website and seeing
if there are Vista or Win7 drivers for them?


--
Conor

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:52:32 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

So far, I haven't run into anything that I couldn't get to work with Win7,
USB or not,

Running W7 'Home Premium' (i.e. one of the 'crippled' versions), I
find that the Boot-US bootloader installer cannot write to diskette -
even when I run it as Administrator: "Access denied".

No problem formatting the diskette, Wordpad had no problem writing
a test file to it, and I had no problem then deleting it - even
running as ordinary user.

Guess the Boot-US code is trying to do something dodgy...

Found nothing relevant in a search on sysinternals.com.
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"Maurice Batey" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:52:32 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

So far, I haven't run into anything that I couldn't get to work with
Win7,
USB or not,

Running W7 'Home Premium' (i.e. one of the 'crippled' versions),

Why do you consider it "crippled"?
--
SC Tom


I find that the Boot-US bootloader installer cannot write to diskette -
even when I run it as Administrator: "Access denied".

No problem formatting the diskette, Wordpad had no problem writing
a test file to it, and I had no problem then deleting it - even
running as ordinary user.

Guess the Boot-US code is trying to do something dodgy...

Found nothing relevant in a search on sysinternals.com.
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