Packet Writing in Windows Vista!

Hi,

Packet writing is where your CD or DVD drive gets a drive letter and you
can read/write files just like any other hard drive, thumb drive etc.

I've done extensive testing of UDF packet writing in Vista. It doesn't
require additional software such as Direct CD or InCD.

I've tested CD-RW and DVD-RAM from Windows 2000 (InCD) for Interop to
Vista and also going back the other way.

One thing to look out for, Vista will format to UDF 2.01, so if you want
R/W capability it's best to format all your CD-RW media to minimum 2.01,
the default for many years was UDF 1.5, DVD-RAM will usually be UDF 2.5
by default, so not an issue.

After a lot of testing, the DVD-RAM is the ultimate for RW packet
writing, a joy to use. It's pre-formatted so you can just take it out of
it's box and start writing straight away. Many new television PVR
recorders also support DVD-RAM.

If your burner doesn't have DVD-RAM, you bought the wrong burner, but
DVD-RW has almost the same capabilities for DVD packet writing.

Interestingly, they chose NOT to support MRW.

The drives I've used in these tests are Plextor PX750A. I've tested four
on four different computers, two with Win2k, two with Vista.

--
Gerry_uk

"Gerry_uk" wrote in message
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Hi,

Packet writing is where your CD or DVD drive gets a drive letter and you
can read/write files just like any other hard drive, thumb drive etc.

I've done extensive testing of UDF packet writing in Vista. It doesn't
require additional software such as Direct CD or InCD.

I've tested CD-RW and DVD-RAM from Windows 2000 (InCD) for Interop to
Vista and also going back the other way.

One thing to look out for, Vista will format to UDF 2.01, so if you want
R/W capability it's best to format all your CD-RW media to minimum 2.01,
the default for many years was UDF 1.5, DVD-RAM will usually be UDF 2.5 by
default, so not an issue.

After a lot of testing, the DVD-RAM is the ultimate for RW packet writing,
a joy to use. It's pre-formatted so you can just take it out of it's box
and start writing straight away. Many new television PVR recorders also
support DVD-RAM.

If your burner doesn't have DVD-RAM, you bought the wrong burner, but
DVD-RW has almost the same capabilities for DVD packet writing.

Interestingly, they chose NOT to support MRW.

The drives I've used in these tests are Plextor PX750A. I've tested four
on four different computers, two with Win2k, two with Vista.

--
Gerry_uk

Thanks Gerry. Your test results and report will prevent a lot of grief for
those interested in packet writing on W2K and Vista.

Jon wrote:
"Gerry_uk" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Packet writing is where your CD or DVD drive gets a drive letter and you
can read/write files just like any other hard drive, thumb drive etc.

I've done extensive testing of UDF packet writing in Vista. It doesn't
require additional software such as Direct CD or InCD.

I've tested CD-RW and DVD-RAM from Windows 2000 (InCD) for Interop to
Vista and also going back the other way.

One thing to look out for, Vista will format to UDF 2.01, so if you want
R/W capability it's best to format all your CD-RW media to minimum 2.01,
the default for many years was UDF 1.5, DVD-RAM will usually be UDF 2.5 by
default, so not an issue.

After a lot of testing, the DVD-RAM is the ultimate for RW packet writing,
a joy to use. It's pre-formatted so you can just take it out of it's box
and start writing straight away. Many new television PVR recorders also
support DVD-RAM.

If your burner doesn't have DVD-RAM, you bought the wrong burner, but
DVD-RW has almost the same capabilities for DVD packet writing.

Interestingly, they chose NOT to support MRW.

The drives I've used in these tests are Plextor PX750A. I've tested four
on four different computers, two with Win2k, two with Vista.

--
Gerry_uk

Thanks Gerry. Your test results and report will prevent a lot of grief for
those interested in packet writing on W2K and Vista.


Only problem is, packet writing and RW discs of any kind are far more
likely to lose that data than keep it. If you are trying to use this for
saving data, one day you will be in for an unwanted surprise.

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

Gerry_uk wrote:

Packet writing is where your CD or DVD drive gets a drive letter and you
can read/write files just like any other hard drive, thumb drive etc.

I've done extensive testing of UDF packet writing in Vista. It doesn't
require additional software such as Direct CD or InCD.

I've tested CD-RW and DVD-RAM from Windows 2000 (InCD) for Interop to
Vista and also going back the other way.

One thing to look out for, Vista will format to UDF 2.01, so if you want
R/W capability it's best to format all your CD-RW media to minimum 2.01,
the default for many years was UDF 1.5,

"Live UDF" of Vista supports read/write UDF 1.02, 1.50, 2.01, 2.5. The
*default* UDF version on CD/DVD is 2.01. You can format in UDF 1.50 for
compatibility with older packet writing softwares.

Live UDF slow and buggy
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/Sho...62864&SiteID=1
..

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Mike Richter's Cockamamie Mumbo Jumbo on Packet Writing (mastering)
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Mike Richter (The Slimiest Friggin ****) crapped:

few people recommend packet writing (effected by DirectCD) for
general use. Though it is acceptable on write-once media (CD-R),
it is unreliable or worse on erasables (CD-RW).

Freshly dug up the crap out of your asshole, Asshole?

You were saying here that the problem lies not with packet writing per
se:

======================
From: Mike Richter (The Slimiest Friggin ****)
Date: 9/21/04
Subject: had it with DirectCD

Howard Kaikow wrote:

There is nothing wrong with packet writing itself, rather
the problem has been the poorly designed/implemented, and
less than adequately tested, implementations of ISO/IEC 13346.

The problem in fact lies with the error rate of CD media in general
and the specific problems of erasable media.
======================

If the problem in fact lies with the error rate of CD media, mastering
should be just as unreliable as packet writing, isn't that right, Mikey?

Why then are you harping about how unreliable packing writing is, but
not about mastering, Mikey?
..

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Wow! What a slimy friggin SOB!
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Mikey, you are the Slimiest Friggin SOB!
----------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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Marlin Singer wrote:

Only problem is, packet writing and RW discs of any kind are far more
likely to lose that data than keep it. If you are trying to use this for
saving data, one day you will be in for an unwanted surprise.

In fact it's LETHAL, according to the slimiest lying friggin SOB Mike
Richter:

=====================================
Mike Richter & "Lethal for archiving"
=====================================

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From: Mike Richter (cRoxio ****)
Date: 10/15/01
Subject: File Integrity Errors - DirectCD Bug?

Combining the flaky UDF fixed-length packets with
the tendency of erasables (particularly HS) to forget
is LETHAL for archiving.
=========================

Then again the SAME combination of supposedly flaky packet writing and
supposedly forgetful CD-RW media was good enough for BACKUP, of all
things:

=======================
From: Mike Richter (Acraptec ****)
Date: 9/1/99
Subject: A note on Take Two

For Take Two to work IDEALLY, your drive MUST support
packet writing and you must have DCD installed...to do it.

You may back up ...to a DCD-formatted erasable.
=====================

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Wow! What a slimy friggin SOB!
----------------------------------------------
Mikey, you are The Slimiest Lying Friggin SOB!
----------------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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Marlin Singer wrote:

Only problem is, packet writing and RW discs of any kind are far more
likely to lose that data than keep it. If you are trying to use this for
saving data, one day you will be in for an unwanted surprise.

"Unwanted surprise"?

Sounds like you are pussyfooting around just like Mikey:

================================================== ==
Mike Richter's Pussyfooting on Packet Writing (Lose)
================================================== ==

Mike Richter (cRoxio ****) crapped:

few people recommend packet writing (effected by DirectCD) for
general use. Though it is acceptable on write-once media (CD-R),
it is unreliable or worse on erasables (CD-RW).

Only unreliable? Why pussyfooting around, Mikey? The word is "lose":

======================
From: Mike Richter (cRoxio ****)
Date: 6/19/03

when I started having problems with a Direct CD-R
I'm now limiting most Direct CD software use to CD-RW's.

most of those who have written fixed-length packets
have either stopped doing so altogether or,
as I do, use the format only for test.

The format is bad - it loses data.

======================
[Note: The OP's problem is with CD-R, not CD-RW.]

That being the case, why is there not a big warning message
in DirectCD about using CD-RW, Mikey?

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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

Hi smh,

"Live UDF" of Vista supports read/write UDF 1.02, 1.50, 2.01, 2.5. The
*default* UDF version on CD/DVD is 2.01. You can format in UDF 1.50 for
compatibility with older packet writing softwares.

This is correct, no problems reading UDF 1.50, however I ran into some
problems trying to write to an InCD formatted UDF 1.50 CD-RW under
Vista. I found using 2.01 to be reliable. It's well worth the move to
2.01 anyway, some operations are faster.

Live UDF slow and buggy
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/Sho...62864&SiteID=1

I find for CD-RW, it works well on 2.01 (haven't tried 2.5), but I've
moved everything to DVD-RAM now, and it's certainly not slow or buggy.

--
Gerry_uk

smh wrote:

In fact it's LETHAL, according to snip Mike
Richter:

I'm currently using about 2Gb of programming and distro files on DVD-RAM
and have a synch program at both ends that only updates files that have
changed. It's only been in use for four months, so it's hard to say how
reliable it will be in three years. I'm certainly very pleased with it
so far.

--
Gerry_uk

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

Gerry_uk wrote:

Hi smh,

"Live UDF" of Vista supports read/write UDF 1.02, 1.50, 2.01, 2.5. The
*default* UDF version on CD/DVD is 2.01. You can format in UDF 1.50 for
compatibility with older packet writing softwares.

This is correct, no problems reading UDF 1.50, however I ran into some
problems trying to write to an InCD formatted UDF 1.50 CD-RW under
Vista. I found using 2.01 to be reliable. It's well worth the move to
2.01 anyway, some operations are faster.

So the "slow" part is only with udf 1.50 as reported in the below link?

Live UDF slow and buggy
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/Sho...62864&SiteID=1

I find for CD-RW, it works well on 2.01 (haven't tried 2.5), but I've
moved everything to DVD-RAM now, and it's certainly not slow or buggy.

The dvd-ram I used is, I think, only 1x. It's slow and expensive. Just
remember that the hardware-based defect management helps only on
reliable data writing, not on long term archiving. Enjoy the new toy.
g

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

Gerry_uk wrote:

smh wrote:

In fact it's LETHAL, according to snip Mike
Richter:

I'm currently using about 2Gb of programming and distro files on DVD-RAM
and have a synch program at both ends that only updates files that have
changed. It's only been in use for four months, so it's hard to say how
reliable it will be in three years. I'm certainly very pleased with it
so far.

One sync program I used had some problem with InCD's "Non-Allocatable
Space". Doesn't Live UDF have a special file like that?

As I mentioned in the other post, the hardware-based defect management
helps only the reliable data writing, not on long term storage. Again,
enjoy the new toy. g