What's good to put out a cpu fire?

No I didn't catch my CPU on fire, but I can feel the flames

Yes I am a Troll but I think I know one of this groups trolls after
reviewing some older messages.
No I did not come to this group to troll
I really do need some help with my pc
some of the things I said may of been a little off
but I do tend to rush my messages

I believe it is a misunderstanding, anyhow. As people by my ignorance and
lack of detailed discription concluded that I had somehow attached the mobo
directly to the plate.

in my case there is a removable plate with mounds that have screw holes
each and every mound meets with a factoy mounting point on the mobo.
these mounds prevent the mobo from ever contacting a metal surface, except
where intended.

I had read that newer mobos were insulated around the mounting holes and did
not require the standard fibre washers, which were not included anyhow
then someone became frightened and thought I had screwed the mobo to a metal
plane.
I became concerned that I should of installed some fibre washers and
fabricated some of my own out of scrap leather. The mobo did not function
at all in this configuration. When I returned it to its origional state it
did not function. It was not untill I recieved the new psu and had it
installed (after i asked if it could be doa) that the mobo returned to its
origional but not better not working state

I asked a question about some sticky residue on the bottom of the cooler.
The replies suggested that it was the reminants of thermal tape. It was
actually the residue from the oem plastic film that protects the tape.
The cooler did not have the film when It arrived

I was confused again by the thermal tape.
When the system did not function, I removed the cooler to find the tape had
left residue on the die of the cpu. I was alarmed. Someone thought I had
left the plastic film on the cooler and it had melted, and I didn't know any
better.

I cleaned off the majority of the tape turned gunk with a flat craft tool,
and the residue with acetone. At which point I noticed the craft tool by my
hand had nicked the die in a couple of places. Still no-one has answered as
to whether or not that is fatal.

I did turn the system on while there was no paste between the cpu and the
cooler, but for no longer then at the most a minute. Most likly only long
enough to listen for some kind of beep from the BIOS

The video has never come on, so I am still assuming the board or the
processor is at fault. The processor I suspect because the northbridge fan
and cpu fans do spin. I was just trying to feel out some ideas as to how I
can narrow down the posibilities to a single failure. I do not know if i
can get a return on the processor. However when It arived I did notice a
discoloration around the die on the cpu, which I could interperate as
melting (if that kind of thing happenes) or simply where a previous user had
let some paste drip over onto the cpu (which I heard was bad, but the seller
assures it was tested running before shipped)

The PSU i ordered before I really knew what to look for in a psu. I've
always been more of a salvage type rather then a buy it in a box guy, so I
tend to run into a few more snags than the average guy.

I just use this newsgroup to honestly vent my ideas mistakes and
frustrations like anyone else. You should be happy with the amount of
respect I have tried to show here.
Sorry about the immature personal attack btw


--
We are Many
Mark 5:9

troll leave...if not .read...

in my case there is a removable plate with mounds that have screw holes
each and every mound meets with a factoy mounting point on the mobo.
these mounds prevent the mobo from ever contacting a metal surface, except
where intended.

I still don't agree with this.
How do your PCI cards line up with the back?
Those dimples are narrow enough as not to contact any part of the MB (except
where the contact is obvious)??.

Ok its been awhile since I dabbled in high end cases. I'm not sure if you
mentioned the exact model, but I have never seen a 'machine adjustment
dimple' that was narrow enough at the top for this.

I have always used pylons (brass)+/- nylon push clips(supporting the areas
around the IDE/floppy/memory slots), haven't used fiber washers since 1992.

.." wrote in message
link.net...
No I didn't catch my CPU on fire, but I can feel the flames

Yes I am a Troll but I think I know one of this groups trolls after
reviewing some older messages.
No I did not come to this group to troll
I really do need some help with my pc
some of the things I said may of been a little off
but I do tend to rush my messages

I believe it is a misunderstanding, anyhow. As people by my ignorance and
lack of detailed discription concluded that I had somehow attached the
mobo
directly to the plate.

in my case there is a removable plate with mounds that have screw holes
each and every mound meets with a factoy mounting point on the mobo.
these mounds prevent the mobo from ever contacting a metal surface, except
where intended.

I had read that newer mobos were insulated around the mounting holes and
did
not require the standard fibre washers, which were not included anyhow
then someone became frightened and thought I had screwed the mobo to a
metal
plane.
I became concerned that I should of installed some fibre washers and
fabricated some of my own out of scrap leather. The mobo did not function
at all in this configuration. When I returned it to its origional state
it
did not function. It was not untill I recieved the new psu and had it
installed (after i asked if it could be doa) that the mobo returned to its
origional but not better not working state

I asked a question about some sticky residue on the bottom of the cooler.
The replies suggested that it was the reminants of thermal tape. It was
actually the residue from the oem plastic film that protects the tape.
The cooler did not have the film when It arrived

I was confused again by the thermal tape.
When the system did not function, I removed the cooler to find the tape
had
left residue on the die of the cpu. I was alarmed. Someone thought I had
left the plastic film on the cooler and it had melted, and I didn't know
any
better.

I cleaned off the majority of the tape turned gunk with a flat craft tool,
and the residue with acetone. At which point I noticed the craft tool by
my
hand had nicked the die in a couple of places. Still no-one has answered
as
to whether or not that is fatal.

I did turn the system on while there was no paste between the cpu and the
cooler, but for no longer then at the most a minute. Most likly only long
enough to listen for some kind of beep from the BIOS

The video has never come on, so I am still assuming the board or the
processor is at fault. The processor I suspect because the northbridge
fan
and cpu fans do spin. I was just trying to feel out some ideas as to how I
can narrow down the posibilities to a single failure. I do not know if i
can get a return on the processor. However when It arived I did notice a
discoloration around the die on the cpu, which I could interperate as
melting (if that kind of thing happenes) or simply where a previous user
had
let some paste drip over onto the cpu (which I heard was bad, but the
seller
assures it was tested running before shipped)

The PSU i ordered before I really knew what to look for in a psu. I've
always been more of a salvage type rather then a buy it in a box guy, so I
tend to run into a few more snags than the average guy.

I just use this newsgroup to honestly vent my ideas mistakes and
frustrations like anyone else. You should be happy with the amount of
respect I have tried to show here.
Sorry about the immature personal attack btw


--
We are Many
Mark 5:9

"leigon." wrote:

See below for header information.

No I didn't catch my CPU on fire, but I can feel the flames
Yes I am a Troll

Your subject line is a troll. Persistently starting new threads is a
troll.

but I think I know one of this groups trolls after
reviewing some older messages.
No I did not come to this group to troll

Then why did you change your identity immediately prior to entering this
group? And why did you just change your identity again?

I really do need some help with my pc
some of the things I said may of been a little off
but I do tend to rush my messages

Nobody has complained about rushed messages. Besides trolling, your
recklessness, lack of conciseness, and long winded rambling is a problem
IMO.

....

I just use this newsgroup to honestly vent my ideas mistakes and
frustrations like anyone else. You should be happy with the amount of
respect I have tried to show here.
Sorry about the immature personal attack btw


--
We are Many
Mark 5:9



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"leigon." wrote in message
link.net...
No I didn't catch my CPU on fire, but I can feel the flames

Yes I am a Troll but I think I know one of this groups trolls after
reviewing some older messages.
No I did not come to this group to troll
I really do need some help with my pc
some of the things I said may of been a little off
but I do tend to rush my messages

I believe it is a misunderstanding, anyhow. As people by my ignorance and
lack of detailed discription concluded that I had somehow attached the
mobo
directly to the plate.

in my case there is a removable plate with mounds that have screw holes
each and every mound meets with a factoy mounting point on the mobo.
these mounds prevent the mobo from ever contacting a metal surface, except
where intended.


I would still use standoffs. The tray can flex and make contact if you only
depend on those raised mounds you're talking about.

I had read that newer mobos were insulated around the mounting holes and
did
not require the standard fibre washers, which were not included anyhow
then someone became frightened and thought I had screwed the mobo to a
metal
plane.

True.


I became concerned that I should of installed some fibre washers and
fabricated some of my own out of scrap leather. The mobo did not function
at all in this configuration. When I returned it to its origional state
it
did not function. It was not untill I recieved the new psu and had it
installed (after i asked if it could be doa) that the mobo returned to its
origional but not better not working state

I asked a question about some sticky residue on the bottom of the cooler.
The replies suggested that it was the reminants of thermal tape. It was
actually the residue from the oem plastic film that protects the tape.
The cooler did not have the film when It arrived

I was confused again by the thermal tape.
When the system did not function, I removed the cooler to find the tape
had
left residue on the die of the cpu. I was alarmed. Someone thought I had
left the plastic film on the cooler and it had melted, and I didn't know
any
better.

I cleaned off the majority of the tape turned gunk with a flat craft tool,
and the residue with acetone. At which point I noticed the craft tool by
my
hand had nicked the die in a couple of places. Still no-one has answered
as
to whether or not that is fatal.

You've probably ruined the CPU.


I did turn the system on while there was no paste between the cpu and the
cooler, but for no longer then at the most a minute. Most likly only long
enough to listen for some kind of beep from the BIOS


You may have fried the CPU.


The video has never come on, so I am still assuming the board or the
processor is at fault. The processor I suspect because the northbridge
fan
and cpu fans do spin. I was just trying to feel out some ideas as to how I
can narrow down the posibilities to a single failure. I do not know if i
can get a return on the processor. However when It arived I did notice a
discoloration around the die on the cpu, which I could interperate as
melting (if that kind of thing happenes) or simply where a previous user
had
let some paste drip over onto the cpu (which I heard was bad, but the
seller
assures it was tested running before shipped)

The PSU i ordered before I really knew what to look for in a psu. I've
always been more of a salvage type rather then a buy it in a box guy, so I
tend to run into a few more snags than the average guy.

You get what you pay for...



I just use this newsgroup to honestly vent my ideas mistakes and
frustrations like anyone else. You should be happy with the amount of
respect I have tried to show here.
Sorry about the immature personal attack btw


--
We are Many
Mark 5:9

JAD wrote:

troll leave...if not .read...


in my case there is a removable plate with mounds that have screw holes
each and every mound meets with a factoy mounting point on the mobo.
these mounds prevent the mobo from ever contacting a metal surface, except
where intended.


I still don't agree with this.
How do your PCI cards line up with the back?
Those dimples are narrow enough as not to contact any part of the MB (except
where the contact is obvious)??.

Ok its been awhile since I dabbled in high end cases. I'm not sure if you
mentioned the exact model, but I have never seen a 'machine adjustment
dimple' that was narrow enough at the top for this.

I understand your skepticism but I have one. Stamped, threaded, dimples in
the plate. Works fine.


I have always used pylons (brass)+/- nylon push clips(supporting the areas
around the IDE/floppy/memory slots), haven't used fiber washers since 1992.

Same here, except for the case with the stamped dimples. Well, and except
for the case where the standoffs are stamped and folded into a 'U' that you
squeeze together at the bottom to fit into 'slot holes' in the mobo tray.

"Martin" wrote:
"leigon." wrote in message

I had read that newer mobos were insulated around the mounting holes

True.

Maybe Microstar International (MSI) is an exception. The mounting holes on
my new mainboards are intended to be ground points. I just proved that
using a continuity checker. When small outline integrated circuit chip
(SOIC) surface mount (SMT) device ground pins on the mainboard are
connected to the case, you know the case is used for mainboard ground. Also
telling is the fact that there are raised metal/solder bumps on the
mounting holes which go to the case ground, and mainboard standoffs are
made of electricity conducting metal.

"Martin" wrote:
"leigon." wrote in message

I had read that newer mobos were insulated around the mounting holes
and did not require the standard fibre washers, which were not
included anyhow then someone became frightened and thought I had
screwed the mobo to a metal plane.

True.

The mounting holes on new Microstar International (MSI) mainboards are
intended to be electrically connected to a case. The case is used for
mainboard ground. There is no insulation around the mounting holes.
Instead, there are raised electricity conducting metal/solder bumps
which help make contact with the electricity conducting metal mainboard
standoffs which are firmly connected to the metal case.











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"John Doe" wrote in message
...
"Martin" wrote:
"leigon." wrote in message

I had read that newer mobos were insulated around the mounting holes

True.

Maybe Microstar International (MSI) is an exception. The mounting holes on
my new mainboards are intended to be ground points. I just proved that
using a continuity checker. When small outline integrated circuit chip
(SOIC) surface mount (SMT) device ground pins on the mainboard are
connected to the case, you know the case is used for mainboard ground.
Also
telling is the fact that there are raised metal/solder bumps on the
mounting holes which go to the case ground, and mainboard standoffs are
made of electricity conducting metal.

The motherboard traces are now protected (insulated) from coming into
contact with the screw head and shorting, so you no longer need the paper
washers.

"Martin" wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message

....

Maybe Microstar International (MSI) is an exception. The mounting
holes on my new mainboards are intended to be ground points. I just
proved that using a continuity checker. When small outline integrated
circuit chip (SOIC) surface mount (SMT) device ground pins on the
mainboard are connected to the case, you know the case is used for
mainboard ground. Also
telling is the fact that there are raised metal/solder bumps on the
mounting holes which go to the case ground, and mainboard standoffs
are made of electricity conducting metal.

The motherboard traces are now protected (insulated) from coming into
contact with the screw head and shorting, so you no longer need the
paper washers.

Are we talking about the same thing?
Motherboard traces include ground. Ground contacts the screw head and the
mainboard standoff, and shorts to the case. If you put a paper washer
between the mainboard and the screw head, you will insulate what should be
contact. It probably also has contact on the underside of the mainboard
which shorts to the mainboard standoff. I don't doubt that a system
functions without shorting the motherboard mounting holes to the case. But
the point where the screw head contacts is a solder coated circle around
the mounting hole which is connected probably to most component ground
pins (including surface mount devices). By design the mounting hole area
is supposed to short to the screw head. At least that's the way it is on
my mainboards.

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
"Martin" wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message

...

Maybe Microstar International (MSI) is an exception. The mounting
holes on my new mainboards are intended to be ground points. I just
proved that using a continuity checker. When small outline integrated
circuit chip (SOIC) surface mount (SMT) device ground pins on the
mainboard are connected to the case, you know the case is used for
mainboard ground. Also
telling is the fact that there are raised metal/solder bumps on the
mounting holes which go to the case ground, and mainboard standoffs
are made of electricity conducting metal.

The motherboard traces are now protected (insulated) from coming into
contact with the screw head and shorting, so you no longer need the
paper washers.

Are we talking about the same thing?
Motherboard traces include ground. Ground contacts the screw head and the
mainboard standoff, and shorts to the case. If you put a paper washer
between the mainboard and the screw head, you will insulate what should be
contact. It probably also has contact on the underside of the mainboard
which shorts to the mainboard standoff. I don't doubt that a system
functions without shorting the motherboard mounting holes to the case. But
the point where the screw head contacts is a solder coated circle around
the mounting hole which is connected probably to most component ground
pins (including surface mount devices). By design the mounting hole area
is supposed to short to the screw head. At least that's the way it is on
my mainboards.





We are talking about different things.
Before the current design, motherboards were designed differently and you
needed those paper washers to prevent shorting the traces, but now they have
those metal eyelets to prevent the screws from shorting the traces that you
do not want to ground. This is also why you want the motherboard on
standoffs, to prevent the traces from shorting on the motherboard tray. So
like I said in my previous message, the traces you want protected from the
screw head are now insulated from coming into contact with it.