Zalman 7000A copper cooler...disappointed?

"ElJerid" wrote in message
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"Michael Brown" wrote in message
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Max wrote:
ElJerid wrote:
Max wrote:
ElJerid wrote:
Conclusion is in fact that the stock Intel cooler is not so bad !
There is a lot of marketing and advertising about all kind of
esoteric coolers, but best of them will not decrease the cpu temp
by more than 3
to
5°C compared to the original boxed Intel. And it's always a trade
off: you have to make a choice between noise or cooling (with all
steps between).

I have an Aero Iv and it knocked 9°C off. Its quiet too

I tested different Aero models thouroughly in my system. I had
been disappointed with the average performance of the Aero 4, so I
ordered the top model Aero 7 - 478 (not socket 478!). This is an
Aero 7 with heatpipes
[...]
Tested
in exactly the same circumstances as the stock Intel and measured
with Asus Probe, the results were as follows (for an ambient temp of
20°C):
Idle mode:
Intel: 29°C, Aero at 60%: 29°C, Aero at 100%: 28°C
Stressed:
Intel: 43°C, Aero at 60%: 42°C, Aero at 100%: 38°C
I've tested many coolers, and this last figure is the best I got with
"off-the-shelf" coolers. However, at 100% rpm, the Aero is very
loud, and that's why I finally decided to switch to a home-made
assembly (ThermalRight
CU cooler with papst 120 cm fan). In stressed mode, I get only 2 °C
better than the Aero at 100% rpm, but it's really quiet!

NO aero 7's fit on intel chips.

The numbering is simple : Aero 4 for P4's

Aero 7's For amd k7's, Ie athlon XP.

I think what he was referring to was the Aero 478 (he said "Aero 7 - 478"
for some reason). This is a P4 heatsink with heatpipes, etc, and looks
pretty much the same as the Aero 7/4 (which look exactly the same
anyhow),
except it's got heatpipes

It's also called a Aero 7-478 at
http://www.hardwareportal.ru/Newsarchive/June.2003/

[...]

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www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more
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Thanks for your support, Michael. At least someone reading the details of
messages and doing the effort of searching web documentation, instead of
posting agressive injuries.

So now we have 2 stupid fools who do not know what they are talkin gabout.
Follow the link u asshole and see what it says...Aero 7 is for socket A
etc...Just as I said

u sad idiot.



max

"ElJerid" wrote in message
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"Max" wrote in message
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"ElJerid" wrote in message
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"Max" wrote in message
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"ElJerid" wrote in message
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Conclusion is in fact that the stock Intel cooler is not so bad !
There is a lot of marketing and advertising about all kind of
esoteric
coolers, but best of them will not decrease the cpu temp by more
than
3
to
5°C compared to the original boxed Intel. And it's always a trade
off:
you
have to make a choice between noise or cooling (with all steps
between).



Bull****.

I have an Aero Iv and it knocked 9°C off.Its quiet too so stick tht in
ya
pipe

Thanks for the bull****.
But I tested different Aero models thouroughly in my system. I had been
disappointed with the average performance of the Aero 4, so I ordered
the
top model Aero 7 - 478 (not socket 478!). This is an Aero 7 with
heatpipes,
which was not available in Europe and had to come from Japan. Tested in
exactly the same circumstances as the stock Intel and measured with
Asus
Probe, the results were as follows (for an ambient temp of 20°C):
Idle mode:
Intel: 29°C, Aero at 60%: 29°C, Aero at 100%: 28°C
Stressed:
Intel: 43°C, Aero at 60%: 42°C, Aero at 100%: 38°C
I've tested many coolers, and this last figure is the best I got with
"off-the-shelf" coolers. However, at 100% rpm, the Aero is very loud,
and
that's why I finally decided to switch to a home-made assembly
(ThermalRight
CU cooler with papst 120 cm fan). In stressed mode, I get only 2 °C
better
than the Aero at 100% rpm, but it's really quiet!

You dirty lying *******.

NO aero 7's fit on intel chips.

The numbering is simple : Aero 4 for P4's

Aero 7's For amd k7's, Ie athlon XP.

SO just to clarify you have never bought a turbo charged, super Duper,
heat
pipe modified, go faster stripe painted Aero 7 for an Intel chip have
you,
in future get you facts straight you half witted pillock.

Now if you stopped wasting your money on the "many off the shelf coolers"
that you CLAIM to have bought, and padded your case with some decent
Baffle
material then sound wouldn.t be an issue would it.

You really are a complete fool; please don't waste my time again..

max


Hello Max,
Hope after reading the post (and link) of Michael Brown, you will waste
one
more minute to apologize...

I followed the link u asshole, its in Russian; it says A7 for Socket A, A4
for P4 Just as I said.

It is blatantly obvious that you are a simpleton.

Now shut up and dont bother again

max

Max wrote:
[...]

Given your history, I didn't really expect you to actually think before you
posted. Oh well. *plonk*

--
Michael Brown
www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more
Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open

"Michael Brown" wrote in message
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Max wrote:
[...]

Given your history, I didn't really expect you to actually think before
you
posted. Oh well. *plonk*

--
Michael Brown
www.emboss.co.nz : OOS/RSI software and more
Add michael@ to emboss.co.nz - My inbox is always open

Whatever tosser;

next time u want to try and prove something about an issue that you know
nothing about, do better than typing search string in google and coming up
with a Russian site that doesnt prove it anyway.



max

wasdiscovered wrote in alt.comp.hardware.overclocking:

[snip]
Looking at my Zalman ( though I can't examine it very close as this
comp is placed ) I don't see any way to put it on wrong.
[snip]

My Zalman looks symmetrical to me. Similarly, the P4 attachment bars
look the same to me, but they also supplied attachment bit for a
couple of AMD processors. They are not symmetric.

On an unrelated note. This has got to be one of the best looking
heat sinks, pity you can't see it with the case closed.

--
Sig goes here...
Peter D.

"Max" wrote in message
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"ElJerid" wrote in message
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"Max" wrote in message
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"ElJerid" wrote in message
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"Max" wrote in message
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"ElJerid" wrote in message
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Conclusion is in fact that the stock Intel cooler is not so bad !
There is a lot of marketing and advertising about all kind of
esoteric
coolers, but best of them will not decrease the cpu temp by more
than
3
to
5°C compared to the original boxed Intel. And it's always a trade
off:
you
have to make a choice between noise or cooling (with all steps
between).



Bull****.

I have an Aero Iv and it knocked 9°C off.Its quiet too so stick tht
in
ya
pipe

Thanks for the bull****.
But I tested different Aero models thouroughly in my system. I had
been
disappointed with the average performance of the Aero 4, so I ordered
the
top model Aero 7 - 478 (not socket 478!). This is an Aero 7 with
heatpipes,
which was not available in Europe and had to come from Japan. Tested
in
exactly the same circumstances as the stock Intel and measured with
Asus
Probe, the results were as follows (for an ambient temp of 20°C):
Idle mode:
Intel: 29°C, Aero at 60%: 29°C, Aero at 100%: 28°C
Stressed:
Intel: 43°C, Aero at 60%: 42°C, Aero at 100%: 38°C
I've tested many coolers, and this last figure is the best I got with
"off-the-shelf" coolers. However, at 100% rpm, the Aero is very loud,
and
that's why I finally decided to switch to a home-made assembly
(ThermalRight
CU cooler with papst 120 cm fan). In stressed mode, I get only 2 °C
better
than the Aero at 100% rpm, but it's really quiet!

You dirty lying *******.

NO aero 7's fit on intel chips.

The numbering is simple : Aero 4 for P4's

Aero 7's For amd k7's, Ie athlon XP.

SO just to clarify you have never bought a turbo charged, super Duper,
heat
pipe modified, go faster stripe painted Aero 7 for an Intel chip have
you,
in future get you facts straight you half witted pillock.

Now if you stopped wasting your money on the "many off the shelf
coolers"
that you CLAIM to have bought, and padded your case with some decent
Baffle
material then sound wouldn.t be an issue would it.

You really are a complete fool; please don't waste my time again..

max


Hello Max,
Hope after reading the post (and link) of Michael Brown, you will waste
one
more minute to apologize...

I followed the link u asshole, its in Russian; it says A7 for Socket A, A4
for P4 Just as I said.

It is blatantly obvious that you are a simpleton.

Now shut up and dont bother again

max


You're really not very polite. This is supposed to be a user's group where
people exchange their experiences and try to help each other.
But I do bother again. Just go to the following US Coolermaster site:
http://www.coolermasterusa.com/Product.aspx?ID=15
(it's not a Russian site!).
Here you will read about the Aero 7-478 (product name IHC-H71) that I
described: P4 cooler with Cu base and heatpipe. I agree, on the US site it's
not called Aero 7-478, but all coolers there are called by their product
names. On the original Asian site (and some others) however, thes cooler
gets the commercial "Aero 7-478" name.
But I think that's not the point. The point is that there is really a
Coolermaster for P4 with Cu base and heatpipes that gives excellent results,
whatever the name.

"ElJerid" wrote in message
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"Max" wrote in message
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"ElJerid" wrote in message
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"Max" wrote in message
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"ElJerid" wrote in message
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"Max" wrote in message
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"ElJerid" wrote in message
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Conclusion is in fact that the stock Intel cooler is not so bad !
There is a lot of marketing and advertising about all kind of
esoteric
coolers, but best of them will not decrease the cpu temp by more
than
3
to
5°C compared to the original boxed Intel. And it's always a trade
off:
you
have to make a choice between noise or cooling (with all steps
between).



Bull****.

I have an Aero Iv and it knocked 9°C off.Its quiet too so stick tht
in
ya
pipe

Thanks for the bull****.
But I tested different Aero models thouroughly in my system. I had
been
disappointed with the average performance of the Aero 4, so I
ordered
the
top model Aero 7 - 478 (not socket 478!). This is an Aero 7 with
heatpipes,
which was not available in Europe and had to come from Japan. Tested
in
exactly the same circumstances as the stock Intel and measured with
Asus
Probe, the results were as follows (for an ambient temp of 20°C):
Idle mode:
Intel: 29°C, Aero at 60%: 29°C, Aero at 100%: 28°C
Stressed:
Intel: 43°C, Aero at 60%: 42°C, Aero at 100%: 38°C
I've tested many coolers, and this last figure is the best I got
with
"off-the-shelf" coolers. However, at 100% rpm, the Aero is very
loud,
and
that's why I finally decided to switch to a home-made assembly
(ThermalRight
CU cooler with papst 120 cm fan). In stressed mode, I get only 2 °C
better
than the Aero at 100% rpm, but it's really quiet!

You dirty lying *******.

NO aero 7's fit on intel chips.

The numbering is simple : Aero 4 for P4's

Aero 7's For amd k7's, Ie athlon XP.

SO just to clarify you have never bought a turbo charged, super Duper,
heat
pipe modified, go faster stripe painted Aero 7 for an Intel chip have
you,
in future get you facts straight you half witted pillock.

Now if you stopped wasting your money on the "many off the shelf
coolers"
that you CLAIM to have bought, and padded your case with some decent
Baffle
material then sound wouldn.t be an issue would it.

You really are a complete fool; please don't waste my time again..

max


Hello Max,
Hope after reading the post (and link) of Michael Brown, you will waste
one
more minute to apologize...

I followed the link u asshole, its in Russian; it says A7 for Socket A,
A4
for P4 Just as I said.

It is blatantly obvious that you are a simpleton.

Now shut up and dont bother again

max


You're really not very polite. This is supposed to be a user's group where
people exchange their experiences and try to help each other.
But I do bother again. Just go to the following US Coolermaster site:
http://www.coolermasterusa.com/Product.aspx?ID=15
(it's not a Russian site!).
Here you will read about the Aero 7-478 (product name IHC-H71) that I
described: P4 cooler with Cu base and heatpipe. I agree, on the US site
it's
not called Aero 7-478, but all coolers there are called by their product
names. On the original Asian site (and some others) however, thes cooler
gets the commercial "Aero 7-478" name.
But I think that's not the point. The point is that there is really a
Coolermaster for P4 with Cu base and heatpipes that gives excellent
results,
whatever the name.

You asshole

The product to which you refer is a 2 year old product; I know it well.
http://www.tech-pc.co.uk/ihcl71-1.php

It most certainly is not part of the Aero range. The aero range all have "
Innovative fan design to eliminate air flow dead spot. "; the fan is
perpenpicular to the base of the heatsink.

what you have been rambling on about is the following



"But I tested different Aero models thouroughly in my system. I had
been
disappointed with the average performance of the Aero 4, so I
ordered
the
top model Aero 7 - 478 (not socket 478!). This is an Aero 7 with
heatpipes,"

Oooh give me a link for an Asian Aero 7 - 478 then....... lol

Ho feckin ho

Which is obviously bull**** you cretin..You made something up and then go
caught out.You have obviously never tried an Aero heatsink; you do not know
how good they are.End of story.



And just to verfy what a lying ******* you are, you claimed that the
heatsink to which you directed me, I quote "which was not available in
Europe and had to come from Japan.", was, and is availiable all over Europe.

In future dont lie so much, and dont comment on stuff that you know nothing
about.



max

Max wrote:

And just to verfy what a lying ******* you are, you claimed that the
heatsink to which you directed me, I quote "which was not available in
Europe and had to come from Japan.", was, and is availiable all over
Europe.

In future dont lie so much, and dont comment on stuff that you know
nothing about.

Hey Max, lighten up a bit will ya? You can make your point without all the
abuse *and* get taken a lot more seriously. It seems you have some good info
to share, it'd be a shame to lose it in all the abuse.

Ok? :-)
--
~misfit~

A followup:

After installing a 120mm case fan in the front of the case and discovering
that it actually made my case and CPU temps go *up*, I decided to remove and
reinstall the Zalman:

I undid the clip screws on the Zalman and carefully pulled straight up on
the heatsink. There was a little resistance before it came loose...and when
I pulled it out and turned it over, the CPU was stuck to the bottom of the
heatsink. ****!

I carefully placed the Zalman upside down on the counter and proceeded to
(very carefully) wiggle the stuck CPU loose from the bottom of the heatsink.
It finally came off - the Arctic Silver was a dull gray paste that was
spread somewhat unevenly over the top of the CPU. I suspected that I may
have used too much for the initial install...

I used rubbing alcohol and paper towels to scub the old Arctic Silver off
the CPU and the Zalman, reseated the CPU, and applied a very small glob of
Arctic Silver on the middle of the chip (BTW, the Arctic Silver 5 I've got
is dark gray - is this normal?). I then carefully lowered the Zalman
straight down on top of the CPU - but this time with the fan wires coming
out towards the front of the case, rather than the back as before. This
time, getting the screws to grab in the aluminum frames was a lot easier.

So I fired it back up and have had it on for about an hour. The results?
The CPU temperature is still at 48C at idle. Oddly enough, the mainboard
temperature, which had been sticking to around 28C, is now up to 29-30C.

*ponder*

I guess I'll wait another couple of days for the Arctic Silver to "cure" and
see if it drops any, but so far this appears to have been an excercise in
futility...

"~misfit~" wrote in message
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Max wrote:

And just to verfy what a lying ******* you are, you claimed that the
heatsink to which you directed me, I quote "which was not available in
Europe and had to come from Japan.", was, and is availiable all over
Europe.

In future dont lie so much, and dont comment on stuff that you know
nothing about.

Hey Max, lighten up a bit will ya? You can make your point without all the
abuse *and* get taken a lot more seriously. It seems you have some good
info
to share, it'd be a shame to lose it in all the abuse.

Ok? :-)
--
~misfit~

point taken, but i lke being rude.

max