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Does anybody else have a problem capturing VHS input with the AIW 2006
card? My card thinks that all my VHS have Macrovision, but they don't. These tapes do not have Macrovision, they play perfectly when the VCR is connected directly to the TV, and I can view or capture them perfectly with the AIW 7500 Radeon card. |
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Barry Watzman wrote: I'm not saying that your conclusion is wrong, but it does not follow from the stated facts. A macrovision tape is supposed to play perfectly when a VCR is connected directly to a TV set. And I'm not sure if the AIW 7500 had macrovision detection. mga wrote: Does anybody else have a problem capturing VHS input with the AIW 2006 card? My card thinks that all my VHS have Macrovision, but they don't. These tapes do not have Macrovision, they play perfectly when the VCR is connected directly to the TV, and I can view or capture them perfectly with the AIW 7500 Radeon card. How does it not follow from the facts? 1) The tape plays perfectly when connected from the VCR to the TV and 2) The tape does NOT play perfectly when connected from the VCR to the AIW = The AIW thinks the tape has Macrovision. But the tape(s) does not have Macrovision; these are 5-15 year old tapes and the ones with Macrovision in it clearly display that fact somewhere in the box. The AIW 7500 Radeon does have Macrovision in it (I have two tapes with Macrovision in them and it won't let me copy them withouth error), and I didn't have a problem backing up the non-Macrovision tapes with it; that computer crashed, so I bought a new one with a PCI express bus instead of and AGP bus. But back to my question, do you know a solution to the problem? |
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Sorry but have to confirm,
Video input is with all cards using the rage theater chipset 200 unusable to digitize tapes FROM VCR. There is something wrong with the timebase . You cannot switch in the right timebase as with some tv sets. The theater 100 cards don,t have this problem at all, but haveb record macrovision too Theater 200 chipset What I do believe is that they (ati) tried to make a 100% macrovision locked input which cannot run over by hardware devices. So they tried to set the timebase and gain control in a manner that it would switch off completely whenever VCR macrovision input is detected. and would not follow video tape timebase with all tapes. You can try by yourself : If you play a macrovision protected tape you had usually a playable on PC screen but not recordable picture. Whith theater 200 chipsets you will have NO PICTURE AT ALL AND NO SOUND OR HORRIBLE HISS !! AND ALL YOU WILL GET IS MONO SOUND FROM TV (PAL) With no macrovision tapes picture will still jump in the upper portions of screen. Rage Theater 550 With this you will have only two hardware resolutions and it will forever try to record NTSC even if you have PAL card There is no interlacing on video input and nor play or record with macrovision tapes. You will have no problem with timebase but play and video captures trough external inputs will be HORRIBLE in quality. AND ALLYOU WILL GET IS MONO SOUND FROM TV (PAL) ALL in ALL i can say that ATI don,t really support PAL TV System and have been ignoring European customers beginning from TV Wonder times up to now. I can fully understand why they stopped All in Wonder Operations in Europe. The video input and TV is pretty unusable if you compare it with competition which not even have macrovison. They simply cannot sell it here anymore, computer guys know the problems and they have very bad reputation grown in decades here. They don,t do and market products wanted by customer, they only follow media industry guidelines. THE ONLY FEATURE WHICH IS PERFECTLY WORKING IS COPY PROTECTION "mga" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ups.com... Barry Watzman wrote: I'm not saying that your conclusion is wrong, but it does not follow from the stated facts. A macrovision tape is supposed to play perfectly when a VCR is connected directly to a TV set. And I'm not sure if the AIW 7500 had macrovision detection. mga wrote: Does anybody else have a problem capturing VHS input with the AIW 2006 card? My card thinks that all my VHS have Macrovision, but they don't. These tapes do not have Macrovision, they play perfectly when the VCR is connected directly to the TV, and I can view or capture them perfectly with the AIW 7500 Radeon card. How does it not follow from the facts? 1) The tape plays perfectly when connected from the VCR to the TV and 2) The tape does NOT play perfectly when connected from the VCR to the AIW = The AIW thinks the tape has Macrovision. But the tape(s) does not have Macrovision; these are 5-15 year old tapes and the ones with Macrovision in it clearly display that fact somewhere in the box. The AIW 7500 Radeon does have Macrovision in it (I have two tapes with Macrovision in them and it won't let me copy them withouth error), and I didn't have a problem backing up the non-Macrovision tapes with it; that computer crashed, so I bought a new one with a PCI express bus instead of and AGP bus. But back to my question, do you know a solution to the problem? |
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AIW Radeon 7500 is Theater 100 chipset
AIW Radeon 2006 is Theater 200 chipset What you describe ist what I get too if i try to play macrovision tapes with video input and AIW Radeon X800XT with Theater 200 If upper portions jump to the right, looks like it would start to turn ... this is timebase VCR failure feature of Theater 200 If whole picture changes in brightness and or looses sync in all or part of picture this is marcrovision Sorry for bad English... I hate their neglance of european customers and tv system I hate their importance of following copy protection guidelines over usability Have a brand new Theater 550 and cannot even record non macrovison external sources (bad distortion looks like interlacing and horrible distorted sound with all drivers available. Somebody in Rage 3d wrote it will work stereo with beta driver 117 but it does not. All what the Theater really does now is display TV with MONO sound and record in NTSC format ! "mga" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ups.com... gasper wrote: Sorry but have to confirm, Video input is with all cards using the rage theater chipset 200 unusable to digitize tapes FROM VCR. There is something wrong with the timebase . You cannot switch in the right timebase as with some tv sets. The theater 100 cards don,t have this problem at all, but haveb record macrovision too Theater 200 chipset What I do believe is that they (ati) tried to make a 100% macrovision locked input which cannot run over by hardware devices. So they tried to set the timebase and gain control in a manner that it would switch off completely whenever VCR macrovision input is detected. and would not follow video tape timebase with all tapes. You can try by yourself : If you play a macrovision protected tape you had usually a playable on PC screen but not recordable picture. Whith theater 200 chipsets you will have NO PICTURE AT ALL AND NO SOUND OR HORRIBLE HISS !! AND ALL YOU WILL GET IS MONO SOUND FROM TV (PAL) With no macrovision tapes picture will still jump in the upper portions of screen. Rage Theater 550 With this you will have only two hardware resolutions and it will forever try to record NTSC even if you have PAL card There is no interlacing on video input and nor play or record with macrovision tapes. You will have no problem with timebase but play and video captures trough external inputs will be HORRIBLE in quality. AND ALLYOU WILL GET IS MONO SOUND FROM TV (PAL) ALL in ALL i can say that ATI don,t really support PAL TV System and have been ignoring European customers beginning from TV Wonder times up to now. I can fully understand why they stopped All in Wonder Operations in Europe. The video input and TV is pretty unusable if you compare it with competition which not even have macrovison. They simply cannot sell it here anymore, computer guys know the problems and they have very bad reputation grown in decades here. They don,t do and market products wanted by customer, they only follow media industry guidelines. THE ONLY FEATURE WHICH IS PERFECTLY WORKING IS COPY PROTECTION "mga" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ups.com... Barry Watzman wrote: I'm not saying that your conclusion is wrong, but it does not follow from the stated facts. A macrovision tape is supposed to play perfectly when a VCR is connected directly to a TV set. And I'm not sure if the AIW 7500 had macrovision detection. mga wrote: Does anybody else have a problem capturing VHS input with the AIW 2006 card? My card thinks that all my VHS have Macrovision, but they don't. These tapes do not have Macrovision, they play perfectly when the VCR is connected directly to the TV, and I can view or capture them perfectly with the AIW 7500 Radeon card. How does it not follow from the facts? 1) The tape plays perfectly when connected from the VCR to the TV and 2) The tape does NOT play perfectly when connected from the VCR to the AIW = The AIW thinks the tape has Macrovision. But the tape(s) does not have Macrovision; these are 5-15 year old tapes and the ones with Macrovision in it clearly display that fact somewhere in the box. The AIW 7500 Radeon does have Macrovision in it (I have two tapes with Macrovision in them and it won't let me copy them withouth error), and I didn't have a problem backing up the non-Macrovision tapes with it; that computer crashed, so I bought a new one with a PCI express bus instead of and AGP bus. But back to my question, do you know a solution to the problem? I am not an expert on ATI cards, so: Does the AIW 7500 Radeon have the "theater 100" chipset? From what you are saying, and my experience with it (i.e. I don't have problems recording from VHS), it looks that way. Does the AIW 2006 have the "theater 200" chipset? From what you are describing as its effects on the non-Macrovision tapes, it seems that way to me. Is there a solution to the problem? " With no macrovision tapes picture will still jump in the upper portions of screen." I don't get jumping in the upper portions of the screen, but some lines that make it look as if there is some tracking problem at the top, and periodically it gets darker/lighter, and periodically also more lines closer to the middle of the screen. |
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gasper wrote: AIW Radeon 7500 is Theater 100 chipset AIW Radeon 2006 is Theater 200 chipset What you describe ist what I get too if i try to play macrovision tapes with video input and AIW Radeon X800XT with Theater 200 If upper portions jump to the right, looks like it would start to turn ... this is timebase VCR failure feature of Theater 200 If whole picture changes in brightness and or looses sync in all or part of picture this is marcrovision Sorry for bad English... I hate their neglance of european customers and tv system I hate their importance of following copy protection guidelines over usability Have a brand new Theater 550 and cannot even record non macrovison external sources (bad distortion looks like interlacing and horrible distorted sound with all drivers available. Somebody in Rage 3d wrote it will work stereo with beta driver 117 but it does not. All what the Theater really does now is display TV with MONO sound and record in NTSC format ! "mga" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ups.com... gasper wrote: Sorry but have to confirm, Video input is with all cards using the rage theater chipset 200 unusable to digitize tapes FROM VCR. There is something wrong with the timebase . You cannot switch in the right timebase as with some tv sets. The theater 100 cards don,t have this problem at all, but haveb record macrovision too Theater 200 chipset What I do believe is that they (ati) tried to make a 100% macrovision locked input which cannot run over by hardware devices. So they tried to set the timebase and gain control in a manner that it would switch off completely whenever VCR macrovision input is detected. and would not follow video tape timebase with all tapes. You can try by yourself : If you play a macrovision protected tape you had usually a playable on PC screen but not recordable picture. Whith theater 200 chipsets you will have NO PICTURE AT ALL AND NO SOUND OR HORRIBLE HISS !! AND ALL YOU WILL GET IS MONO SOUND FROM TV (PAL) With no macrovision tapes picture will still jump in the upper portions of screen. Rage Theater 550 With this you will have only two hardware resolutions and it will forever try to record NTSC even if you have PAL card There is no interlacing on video input and nor play or record with macrovision tapes. You will have no problem with timebase but play and video captures trough external inputs will be HORRIBLE in quality. AND ALLYOU WILL GET IS MONO SOUND FROM TV (PAL) ALL in ALL i can say that ATI don,t really support PAL TV System and have been ignoring European customers beginning from TV Wonder times up to now. I can fully understand why they stopped All in Wonder Operations in Europe. The video input and TV is pretty unusable if you compare it with competition which not even have macrovison. They simply cannot sell it here anymore, computer guys know the problems and they have very bad reputation grown in decades here. They don,t do and market products wanted by customer, they only follow media industry guidelines. THE ONLY FEATURE WHICH IS PERFECTLY WORKING IS COPY PROTECTION "mga" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ups.com... Barry Watzman wrote: I'm not saying that your conclusion is wrong, but it does not follow from the stated facts. A macrovision tape is supposed to play perfectly when a VCR is connected directly to a TV set. And I'm not sure if the AIW 7500 had macrovision detection. mga wrote: Does anybody else have a problem capturing VHS input with the AIW 2006 card? My card thinks that all my VHS have Macrovision, but they don't. These tapes do not have Macrovision, they play perfectly when the VCR is connected directly to the TV, and I can view or capture them perfectly with the AIW 7500 Radeon card. How does it not follow from the facts? 1) The tape plays perfectly when connected from the VCR to the TV and 2) The tape does NOT play perfectly when connected from the VCR to the AIW = The AIW thinks the tape has Macrovision. But the tape(s) does not have Macrovision; these are 5-15 year old tapes and the ones with Macrovision in it clearly display that fact somewhere in the box. The AIW 7500 Radeon does have Macrovision in it (I have two tapes with Macrovision in them and it won't let me copy them withouth error), and I didn't have a problem backing up the non-Macrovision tapes with it; that computer crashed, so I bought a new one with a PCI express bus instead of and AGP bus. But back to my question, do you know a solution to the problem? I am not an expert on ATI cards, so: Does the AIW 7500 Radeon have the "theater 100" chipset? From what you are saying, and my experience with it (i.e. I don't have problems recording from VHS), it looks that way. Does the AIW 2006 have the "theater 200" chipset? From what you are describing as its effects on the non-Macrovision tapes, it seems that way to me. Is there a solution to the problem? " With no macrovision tapes picture will still jump in the upper portions of screen." I don't get jumping in the upper portions of the screen, but some lines that make it look as if there is some tracking problem at the top, and periodically it gets darker/lighter, and periodically also more lines closer to the middle of the screen. Will using USB capture devices bypass the Macrovision from the AIW card? |
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mga wrote:
Barry Watzman wrote: I'm not saying that your conclusion is wrong, but it does not follow from the stated facts. A macrovision tape is supposed to play perfectly when a VCR is connected directly to a TV set. And I'm not sure if the AIW 7500 had macrovision detection. mga wrote: Does anybody else have a problem capturing VHS input with the AIW 2006 card? My card thinks that all my VHS have Macrovision, but they don't. These tapes do not have Macrovision, they play perfectly when the VCR is connected directly to the TV, and I can view or capture them perfectly with the AIW 7500 Radeon card. How does it not follow from the facts? 1) The tape plays perfectly when connected from the VCR to the TV and 2) The tape does NOT play perfectly when connected from the VCR to the AIW = The AIW thinks the tape has Macrovision. But the tape(s) does not have Macrovision; these are 5-15 year old tapes and the ones with Macrovision in it clearly display that fact somewhere in the box. Are they purchased, prerecorded tapes? If so then they have Macrovision. Just take it as a given. Macrovision has been the norm on prerecorded video tapes since some time in the late 1980s. The AIW 7500 Radeon does have Macrovision in it (I have two tapes with Macrovision in them and it won't let me copy them withouth error), and I didn't have a problem backing up the non-Macrovision tapes with it; that computer crashed, so I bought a new one with a PCI express bus instead of and AGP bus. But back to my question, do you know a solution to the problem? -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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J. Clarke wrote: mga wrote: Barry Watzman wrote: I'm not saying that your conclusion is wrong, but it does not follow from the stated facts. A macrovision tape is supposed to play perfectly when a VCR is connected directly to a TV set. And I'm not sure if the AIW 7500 had macrovision detection. mga wrote: Does anybody else have a problem capturing VHS input with the AIW 2006 card? My card thinks that all my VHS have Macrovision, but they don't. These tapes do not have Macrovision, they play perfectly when the VCR is connected directly to the TV, and I can view or capture them perfectly with the AIW 7500 Radeon card. How does it not follow from the facts? 1) The tape plays perfectly when connected from the VCR to the TV and 2) The tape does NOT play perfectly when connected from the VCR to the AIW = The AIW thinks the tape has Macrovision. But the tape(s) does not have Macrovision; these are 5-15 year old tapes and the ones with Macrovision in it clearly display that fact somewhere in the box. Are they purchased, prerecorded tapes? If so then they have Macrovision. Just take it as a given. Macrovision has been the norm on prerecorded video tapes since some time in the late 1980s. The AIW 7500 Radeon does have Macrovision in it (I have two tapes with Macrovision in them and it won't let me copy them withouth error), and I didn't have a problem backing up the non-Macrovision tapes with it; that computer crashed, so I bought a new one with a PCI express bus instead of and AGP bus. But back to my question, do you know a solution to the problem? -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) They are prerecorded, and they do not have Macrovision, except for two of them. If they do have Macrovision, as you claim: 1) How is it that AIW 7500 Radeon plays them all perfectly, except when it gets to the 2 that have Macrovision? 2) How is it that the AIW 2006 plays them all with some distortions, except when it gets to the 2 that have Macrovision, in which case 90% of the screen gets is frozen while the rest of the screen shows the video? Initially I thought that the AIW 2006 was identifying the tapes as having Macrovision, but when comparing the difference in the results, the problem is something else unless Macrovision has different effects on different tapes. |
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mga wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: mga wrote: Barry Watzman wrote: I'm not saying that your conclusion is wrong, but it does not follow from the stated facts. A macrovision tape is supposed to play perfectly when a VCR is connected directly to a TV set. And I'm not sure if the AIW 7500 had macrovision detection. mga wrote: Does anybody else have a problem capturing VHS input with the AIW 2006 card? My card thinks that all my VHS have Macrovision, but they don't. These tapes do not have Macrovision, they play perfectly when the VCR is connected directly to the TV, and I can view or capture them perfectly with the AIW 7500 Radeon card. How does it not follow from the facts? 1) The tape plays perfectly when connected from the VCR to the TV and 2) The tape does NOT play perfectly when connected from the VCR to the AIW = The AIW thinks the tape has Macrovision. But the tape(s) does not have Macrovision; these are 5-15 year old tapes and the ones with Macrovision in it clearly display that fact somewhere in the box. Are they purchased, prerecorded tapes? If so then they have Macrovision. Just take it as a given. Macrovision has been the norm on prerecorded video tapes since some time in the late 1980s. The AIW 7500 Radeon does have Macrovision in it (I have two tapes with Macrovision in them and it won't let me copy them withouth error), and I didn't have a problem backing up the non-Macrovision tapes with it; that computer crashed, so I bought a new one with a PCI express bus instead of and AGP bus. But back to my question, do you know a solution to the problem? -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) They are prerecorded, and they do not have Macrovision, except for two of them. If they do have Macrovision, as you claim: 1) How is it that AIW 7500 Radeon plays them all perfectly, except when it gets to the 2 that have Macrovision? They all have Macrovision. It is rumored that there was a change in the Macrovision encoding a few years ago. This is perhaps what you are seeing. 2) How is it that the AIW 2006 plays them all with some distortions, except when it gets to the 2 that have Macrovision, in which case 90% of the screen gets is frozen while the rest of the screen shows the video? Because the AIW 2006 is a piece of crap? 90% of the screen being frozen suggests that there is something wrong with the board--that is not a normal result of Macrovision protection--the normal result is lines across the screen. Initially I thought that the AIW 2006 was identifying the tapes as having Macrovision, but when comparing the difference in the results, the problem is something else unless Macrovision has different effects on different tapes. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Will using USB capture devices bypass the Macrovision from the AIW card?
My AIW in/outputs go to the (vcr2) audio/video receiver (Pioneer vsx-d608) jacks and that connects every component to my PC and each others S-video jacks. I don't know why, but I think the Pioneer strips out the copyright protection for all the components including Macrovision. |
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If you are recording the VCR tuner output and then hit 'play'
for awile and then stop what happens? |
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