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Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7s free AV software, Security Essentials
Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:42:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote: Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7s free AV software, Security Essentials https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials software. Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here. It'll just boost the sale/usage of "compatible with Win 7" AVs. Which will disappear just like they did when previous versions of Windows went out of support. It is ridiculous to try and protect an os that the vendor won't support with security fixes. |
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Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7 free AV software, Security Essentials?
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 08:45:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris
wrote: Shadow wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:42:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote: ?Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7?s free AV software, Security Essentials? https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html ?When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials software.? Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here. It'll just boost the sale/usage of "compatible with Win 7" AVs. Which will disappear just like they did when previous versions of Windows went out of support. It is ridiculous to try and protect an os that the vendor won't support with security fixes. I'm still on XP(and Linux). I ditched Avira when I caught it phoning home. Not for updates. It was relaying my private, personal web-browsing data and some files I compiled myself. Probably for my "safety, security and privacy". They can legally do that. Read the TOS. There are numerous top quality free on demand AVs that still support the almost 20 year old OS. With the advantage that USB-booted AVs are can't be disabled by zero-day rootkits, like the resident AVs can. So what you are saying is I'm be vulnerable to all the attacks M$ PROMISED. And never happened? https://www.dataviper.io/blog/2019/p...illion-people/ 1.2 billion people's data hacked from secure, up-to-date servers.... is that even possible? []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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�Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7�s free AV software, Security Essentials�
On 12/10/2019 6:05 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:16:49 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On 12/10/2019 3:44 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: The key word was "resident". I have not had any resident AV in 20 years and have never gotten any bad stuff. That's like saying "I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never gotten hurt in an accident." Better: ""I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never gotten hurt in an accident., but OTOH I don't use a car". "I don't use a car" = I don't click on suspicious links, I don't enable scripting for all but a few sites. I don't execute programs/installers without a reasonable quarantine in case they are zero-days, I check firewall logs .... the usual basic safeguards. And even then, I do a weekly offline USB-booted scan and keep data backups. You do good things. You practice "safe hex," and that substantially reduces your risk of getting infected by malware. Does it completely eliminate the risks? No. If you ran a good anti-virus program, that would reduce the risk even further, but it would still not eliminate the risk completely. The same with seatbelts. Do they completely eliminate the risk of getting hurt in a car accident? No, of course not. But they reduce the risk. In my view, all computer users should do whatever possible to reduce the risk. -- Ken |
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�Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7�s free AV software, Security Essentials�
On 11/12/2019 15:05, Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/10/2019 6:05 PM, Shadow wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:16:49 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On 12/10/2019 3:44 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: The key word was "resident". I have not had any resident AV in 20 years and have never gotten any bad stuff. That's like saying "I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never gotten hurt in an accident." ****Better: ****""I haven't worn a seatbelt in 20 years and have never gotten hurt in an accident., but OTOH I don't use a car". ****"I don't use a car" = I don't click on suspicious links, I don't enable scripting for all but a few sites. I don't execute programs/installers without a reasonable quarantine in case they are zero-days, I check* firewall logs .... the usual basic safeguards. ****And even then, I do a weekly offline USB-booted scan and keep data backups. You do good things. You practice "safe hex," and that substantially reduces your risk of getting infected by malware. Does it completely eliminate the risks? No. If you ran* a good anti-virus program, that would reduce the risk even further, but it would still not eliminate the risk completely. The same with seatbelts. Do they completely eliminate the risk of getting hurt in a car accident? No, of course not. But they reduce the risk. In my view, *all computer users* should do whatever possible to reduce the risk. What anti-virus/anti-malware software would you suggest that those folk using *Apple* computers use, Ken? |
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Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7 free AV software,Security Essentials?
Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 08:45:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Shadow wrote: On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:42:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote: ?Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7?s free AV software, Security Essentials? https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html ?When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials software.? Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here. It'll just boost the sale/usage of "compatible with Win 7" AVs. Which will disappear just like they did when previous versions of Windows went out of support. It is ridiculous to try and protect an os that the vendor won't support with security fixes. I'm still on XP(and Linux). I ditched Avira when I caught it phoning home. Not for updates. It was relaying my private, personal web-browsing data and some files I compiled myself. Probably for my "safety, security and privacy". They can legally do that. Read the TOS. There are numerous top quality free on demand AVs that still support the almost 20 year old OS. With the advantage that USB-booted AVs are can't be disabled by zero-day rootkits, like the resident AVs can. So what you are saying is I'm be vulnerable to all the attacks M$ PROMISED. And never happened? Correct. You're a savvy person so are reasonably safe, but it is not something anyone would be recommended to do. |
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“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security Essentials”
Lynn McGuire wrote:
Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7s free AV software, Security Essentials https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials software. Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here. I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products. Lynn Where's the loss? Defender what NOT an anti-virus program, so the article's title is not only misleading but incorrect. Defender was nothing but a spyware detector in Windows 7 (and earlier in its precursors). Not until Windows 8 did Defender become an anti-virus program. It was worthless in Windows 7. In pre-8 Windows, you should have never relied on Defender to protect you against malware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Defender "Before Windows 8, Windows Defender only protected users against spyware." |
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“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security Essentials”
VanguardLH wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote: Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7s free AV software, Security Essentials https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials software. Ok, this is not good. Microsoft is playing hardball here. I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products. Lynn Where's the loss? Defender what NOT an anti-virus program, so the article's title is not only misleading but incorrect. Defender was nothing but a spyware detector in Windows 7 (and earlier in its precursors). Not until Windows 8 did Defender become an anti-virus program. It was worthless in Windows 7. In pre-8 Windows, you should have never relied on Defender to protect you against malware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Defender "Before Windows 8, Windows Defender only protected users against spyware." That's why Security Essentials became superfluous in Windows 8, and later. Defender became and AV, so Security Essentials became superfluous. Obviously anything of or bundled in Windows 7 that doesn't extend into later versions of Windows will die for support when Windows 7 is no longer supported; else, continuing to support Windows 7-only products means support was not ended. Microsoft's anti-malware and anti-spyware products before Windows 8 were far too limp to be considered effective solutions. Almost every 3rd party solution, even free ones, were far superior. Microsoft's solutions pre-8 did have a high rating for disinfecting malware, but that was because it didn't much malware, and what it detected was old and disinfection was well known. |
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“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security Essentials”
On 10/12/2019 21:39, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:
On 2019-12-10 13:42, Lynn McGuire wrote: “Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security Essentials” https://www.computerworld.com/articl...ssentials.html “When support for Windows 7 ends on Jan. 14, Microsoft will also stop providing new malware signatures for its home-grown Security Essentials software.” Ok, this is not good.* Microsoft is playing hardball here. I am not impressed with any of the other antivirus products. Lynn Security Essentials is not the best antimalware product for Windows, and that's putting it mildly. However, if Microsoft stops supporting it, you will need something else. Stay away from Norton and McAfee; Avast is, sadly, following in their footsteps. AVG is now part of Avast. There aren't that many top-tier products left. Kaspersky Free is pretty good - and just as free as Security Essentials. |
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Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7s free AV software, Security Essentials
occam wrote:
Kaspersky Free is pretty good - and just as free as Security Essentials. https://usa.kaspersky.com/free-antivirus https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/secur...ud-free/28890/ When a user tries to download Kaspersky Free antivirus, they find that they have downloaded Kaspersky Security Cloud — Free instead. Since it is a cloud AV, does its malware detection level significantly decreases when the host is offline? That's what happens to Panda Cloud AV free. I've seen many detection tests showing Panda Cloud detected 99%+ when online, but only 66% when offline. Be interesting to see how Kaspersky's free Cloud AV rates for its online versus offline detection rates. |
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“Microsoft to end updates to Windows 7’s free AV software, Security Essentials”
I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, but after watching the
following video (which explains the process, and provides some handy tips), I upgraded two computers from Windows 7 to Windows 10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdNL-pvvXH4&t=199s Now I don't have to watch January 14th approach, with "impending doom". It was slightly time-consuming because of the usual work associated with "configuring preferences", but with "classic start" (see video), the result is acceptable. A 4 GHz computer with an SSD on a 80 Mbps internet connection did the upgrade in 49 minutes. I hope that the post/video link may be helpful to someone. Bill Still at issue is that I haven't found any ad-block software that will work with the latest version of SeaMonkey (web browser). If I am unable to resolve that, I may have to switch to Mozilla Firefox. |
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