Standalone coa's illegal claim microsoft amiguosly

Microsoft are claiming that pairing a legimate coa with a copy disc is
wrong. It's all rather unclear if they really mean this or are trying
to work in in with counterfeit coa's.
All rather strange but makes you think think though.
link
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12...ertifica tes/

and

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...ABuyBackPR.asp

This is one of those lovely grey areas that I doubt will get out of the US.
The question is who is losing money, or trying to make it more than once. As
the articles say the COA stickers are unique unless of course they have been
counterfieted. Now that means at some point in time Microsoft have been paid
for the use of their OS on 1 machine and in my view there is only one
machine at any time it can be stuck on. If a counterfieter makes 10 copies
of the sticker then yes they have every right to be mad, they are losing 10
sales, or someone sells the COA and continues to use the OS for themselves.

As to wether the media that is loaded came of a unique CD is a tough one
unless the seller supplies the customer each time with the CD & COA, either
way Microsoft get the same money, 1 sticker = 1 user.

To me its a bit like saying once you have bought a new car you can never
sell it cos you are robbing the maker of a new sale.

My view is 1 REAL COA = 1 paycheck to Microsoft

Irrispective of how many machines it gets stuck on for the lifetime of the
viability of the OS is irrelivant so long as the key on the sticker matches
that of the intalled OS.

Photocoping COA's or using the number on multiple machines or not matching
up the ID to the OS is wrong, Using an OS once you have sold the Sticker is
wrong, someone somewhere is gettin ripped off.

Just one of many views, no doubt there are others.






"ff" wrote in message
...
Microsoft are claiming that pairing a legimate coa with a copy disc is
wrong. It's all rather unclear if they really mean this or are trying
to work in in with counterfeit coa's.
All rather strange but makes you think think though.
link
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12...ertifica tes/

and

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...ABuyBackPR.asp

In article , "ff"
says...
Microsoft are claiming that pairing a legimate coa with a copy disc is
wrong. It's all rather unclear if they really mean this or are trying
to work in in with counterfeit coa's.
All rather strange but makes you think think though.
link
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12...ertifica tes/

and

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...ABuyBackPR.asp

Typical Microsoft FUD - they deliberately cloud the issue so that people
go away thinking "people get sued for using COAs that didn't come with
their machine/software". What's actually happening is that they're
prosecuting a few dealers who sold counterfeit Microsoft products. And
of course this is happening in the USA - Europe has its own legal
system, much as Microsoft would like to pretend that it doesn't.

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:36:34 GMT, "Sent"
wrote:

This is one of those lovely grey areas that I doubt will get out of the US.
The question is who is losing money, or trying to make it more than once.

I bought an IBM laptop. No recovery disks were supplied because there
was an image of the system on the hard drive that could be used to
restore it. I asked for the recovery disks in case the hard drive
crashed and I couldn't restore. I was told that these would require a
separate license, as it meant I would hae two copies of the OS !!!!!

The only way I could get these was to wipe the hard drive by
installing another OS and then request the disks.

It really is a mad world.

On 02/12/2004 Ziggy wrote:

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:36:34 GMT, "Sent"
wrote:

This is one of those lovely grey areas that I doubt will get out of
the US. The question is who is losing money, or trying to make it
more than once.

I bought an IBM laptop. No recovery disks were supplied because there
was an image of the system on the hard drive that could be used to
restore it. I asked for the recovery disks in case the hard drive
crashed and I couldn't restore. I was told that these would require a
separate license, as it meant I would hae two copies of the OS !!!!!

The only way I could get these was to wipe the hard drive by
installing another OS and then request the disks.

It really is a mad world.

Bill Gates has always been much more concerned with stopping people
copying his s/w than writing good quality and reasonably priced s/w in
the first place.

--
Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK

"ff" wrote in message
...
Microsoft are claiming that pairing a legimate coa with a copy disc is
wrong. It's all rather unclear if they really mean this or are trying
to work in in with counterfeit coa's.
All rather strange but makes you think think though.
link

LOL, don't think Microsoft have a leg to stand on, whining about pirating
software

http://www.pcwelt.de/know-how/sicher...30/index1.html

Hellraiser..........

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article , "ff"
says...
Microsoft are claiming that pairing a legimate coa with a copy disc is
wrong. It's all rather unclear if they really mean this or are trying
to work in in with counterfeit coa's.
All rather strange but makes you think think though.
link

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12...rs_for_counter
feit_certificates/

and


http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...ABuyBackPR.asp

Typical Microsoft FUD - they deliberately cloud the issue so that people
go away thinking "people get sued for using COAs that didn't come with
their machine/software". What's actually happening is that they're
prosecuting a few dealers who sold counterfeit Microsoft products. And
of course this is happening in the USA - Europe has its own legal
system, much as Microsoft would like to pretend that it doesn't.

Yes, exactly.

The counterfeiting suits are only applicable to the named companies in the
US states of California, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina,
Pennsylvania and Washington. Counterfeiting could be described as
fraudulently copying something for gain and is completely different to any
issues regarding the sale or use of single uncopied COA's in the US, Europe
or anywhere else in the world.

Here, its a complete mess, and a legally untested mess at that. Its EU law
that gives us a written right to re-sell coa's (against M$ TOC's which I'm
presuming are legal in the US). Over here, EU law is a higher authority
than M$ (well, it is for a while yet anyway) but they have never challenged
it, or any part of this area in the EU court.

Now while they would probably lose against any challenge to the existing
legislation (if coas are sellable at all- it seems clear that they are) it
still leaves big grey areas such as:
-where exactly do you get the disk or copy of the OS disk from?
-if you download it from P2P, is it still legal?
-is it acceptable to make a copy of your genuine disk for a friend that has
bought a legal coa?
-can a dealer selling legally reclaimed coa's give a free copy of the o/s
away on cd-r?
-if all the above (and other) are illegal copying by themselves, should M$
provide genuine disks for people with legally passed on coa's?
-etc


Ad

Mad Ad wrote:
"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article , "ff"
says...
Microsoft are claiming that pairing a legimate coa with a copy disc
is wrong. It's all rather unclear if they really mean this or are
trying to work in in with counterfeit coa's.
All rather strange but makes you think think though.
link


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12...rs_for_counter
feit_certificates/

and


http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...ABuyBackPR.asp

Typical Microsoft FUD - they deliberately cloud the issue so that
people go away thinking "people get sued for using COAs that didn't
come with their machine/software". What's actually happening is
that they're prosecuting a few dealers who sold counterfeit
Microsoft products. And of course this is happening in the USA -
Europe has its own legal system, much as Microsoft would like to
pretend that it doesn't.

Yes, exactly.

The counterfeiting suits are only applicable to the named companies
in the US states of California, Illinois, New Jersey, New York,
North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Washington. Counterfeiting could be
described as fraudulently copying something for gain and is
completely different to any issues regarding the sale or use of
single uncopied COA's in the US, Europe or anywhere else in the world.

Here, its a complete mess, and a legally untested mess at that. Its
EU law that gives us a written right to re-sell coa's (against M$
TOC's which I'm presuming are legal in the US). Over here, EU law is
a higher authority than M$ (well, it is for a while yet anyway) but
they have never challenged it, or any part of this area in the EU
court.

Now while they would probably lose against any challenge to the
existing legislation (if coas are sellable at all- it seems clear
that they are) it still leaves big grey areas such as:
-where exactly do you get the disk or copy of the OS disk from?
-if you download it from P2P, is it still legal?
-is it acceptable to make a copy of your genuine disk for a friend
that has bought a legal coa?
-can a dealer selling legally reclaimed coa's give a free copy of the
o/s away on cd-r?
-if all the above (and other) are illegal copying by themselves,
should M$ provide genuine disks for people with legally passed on
coa's?
-etc


Ad

you can get trial versions of MS operating systems from.....wait for
it....microsoft.

use that with your COA

"Kez" wrote in message
...
Mad Ad wrote:
"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article , "ff"
says...
Microsoft are claiming that pairing a legimate coa with a copy disc
is wrong. It's all rather unclear if they really mean this or are
trying to work in in with counterfeit coa's.
All rather strange but makes you think think though.
link



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12...rs_for_counter
feit_certificates/

and



http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...ABuyBackPR.asp

Typical Microsoft FUD - they deliberately cloud the issue so that
people go away thinking "people get sued for using COAs that didn't
come with their machine/software". What's actually happening is
that they're prosecuting a few dealers who sold counterfeit
Microsoft products. And of course this is happening in the USA -
Europe has its own legal system, much as Microsoft would like to
pretend that it doesn't.

Yes, exactly.

The counterfeiting suits are only applicable to the named companies
in the US states of California, Illinois, New Jersey, New York,
North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Washington. Counterfeiting could be
described as fraudulently copying something for gain and is
completely different to any issues regarding the sale or use of
single uncopied COA's in the US, Europe or anywhere else in the world.

Here, its a complete mess, and a legally untested mess at that. Its
EU law that gives us a written right to re-sell coa's (against M$
TOC's which I'm presuming are legal in the US). Over here, EU law is
a higher authority than M$ (well, it is for a while yet anyway) but
they have never challenged it, or any part of this area in the EU
court.

Now while they would probably lose against any challenge to the
existing legislation (if coas are sellable at all- it seems clear
that they are) it still leaves big grey areas such as:
-where exactly do you get the disk or copy of the OS disk from?
-if you download it from P2P, is it still legal?
-is it acceptable to make a copy of your genuine disk for a friend
that has bought a legal coa?
-can a dealer selling legally reclaimed coa's give a free copy of the
o/s away on cd-r?
-if all the above (and other) are illegal copying by themselves,
should M$ provide genuine disks for people with legally passed on
coa's?
-etc


Ad

you can get trial versions of MS operating systems from.....wait for
it....microsoft.

use that with your COA



Where from? When last I looked, all I found was statements to the effect of
trial versions of xp did not exist.

Where would I apply for it?

Ad

"Mad Ad" wrote in message
...

snip

you can get trial versions of MS operating systems from.....wait for
it....microsoft.

use that with your COA

Where from? When last I looked, all I found was statements to the effect
of
trial versions of xp did not exist.

Where would I apply for it?

Ad

http://www.microsoft.com/uk/technet/evaluation.mspx

Regards,
Dave
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