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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:10:25 -0700, Robert Heiling
wrote: The one I found is the Biostar M7VKE Socket A at: http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=3624m Since the board I'm replacing is a Chips & Technologies M805LR with VIA KT133 chipset, AMD Duron and Athlon Socket A, PC133 SDRAM up to 1 GB, and AGP 4X (AGP2.0), the specs are very close. That's not a very high quality board, though it might be sufficient for a couple years use. It isn't KT133 though, it's the integrated-video version of it. That may be fine, windows may make the minor changes (which are only device names, functionally it's the same chipset plus the video), but I'd think it might be better to go with the KT133A since you don't need the integrated video. But possible concerns a They only mention the VIA VT8365 chipset which is also used in the KT133, but that is only the Northbridge portion of the whole set per http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/legacy/km133/ and I wonder what they use for the Southbridge portion and if the omission is hiding something. You might Google for reviews and tech specs of that board, though usually they'd use the same southbridge. The picture shows ATA100 sticker on it, probably that means the 686B southbridge. You can simply read the markings on your current board's southbridge to determine which it is. "Supports up to 1024 MB SDRAM"; "Two 168-pin DIMM sockets" which is all correct, but I wonder why they don't mention PC100/133 like everyone else has? Some specs are often omitted by sellers. Some even by manufacturers on their product pages, especially with the cheap, lesser supported boards. IMO, you'd be better off to keep looking for a better brand of board, as boards this old have alread depreciated, a better board shouldn't cost much more. Even so, I expect the board would work... but I'd check on a bios update on Biostar's site, I would not want to run a cheap(ly supported) board on an early bios version. They just mention AGP slot without mentioning any specs. Board is 4X AGP, it'll support your present card. Condition "PULLS", whatever definition they give to that term. Usually means an old retired box had a board that still worked- it's used most often, and probably used a lot. It could even have caps that are failing already but not completely dead. I wouldn't buy an old pull, not after this much time has passsed since it was new. Pull could equal refurb, but I'd be inclinded to think a pull was less desirable than a refurb. 7 day return window, $8.95 for a 1 year warrantee. Guess it's really a $39.95 mb. :-) 7 days is too close for my taste given that there are other unknowns with this system in getting it up & running. All in all, they are sort of loose and lack the type of precision in describing their products that most of the other websites I've seen have. They don't even give the board dimensions except to say mATX. I would keep looking... not a very good board for multiple reasons mentioned. |
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kony wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:10:25 -0700, Robert Heiling wrote: The one I found is the Biostar M7VKE Socket A at: http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=3624m Since the board I'm replacing is a Chips & Technologies M805LR with VIA KT133 chipset, AMD Duron and Athlon Socket A, PC133 SDRAM up to 1 GB, and AGP 4X (AGP2.0), the specs are very close. That's not a very high quality board, [.....] I would keep looking... not a very good board for multiple reasons mentioned. Thanks for that feedback. I had been feeling rather queasy about it already and that clinches it. There was almost another site that had that board also, but the site didn't work so there are no other better sources for that same Biostart mb. The MSI MS-6340M simply isn't available and Abit & Asus don't seem to have made an equivalent. Gigabyte made a GA-7ZMMHC which would do the job, but the only one I've seen (Baber) was priced at $97. I think I'm going in circles, so I probably should drop it for awhile. Since that Biostar availablity came up just last month, maybe I should just check periodically to view the changing scenery. In the meantime, I've set the system up on my workbench where I can put some decent light on it instead of a flashlight. Realizing that I hadn't swapped out the new AGP card to see if it had failed, I swapped the old ATI Radeon back in and all behavior is identical unfortunately. Just saw that monitor info might be helpful and it's a very old Gateway Vivitron 1776 CPD-17F13 State | Power consumption| Required Resumption time | Power Indicator| Power Saving Indicator Normal op| 100% | none | green on | orange off Suspend | ~10% | ~3 sec | green on | orange on Active-off| ~6% | ~10sec | green off| orange on What I observe on the monitor is that the screen stays dark and the orange led is on steady, but the green led comes on for a few seconds (~5-10), goes of for a few, then back on and repeats the pattern. The green-on periods are the longer length since the system has been on some time. Pressing the front panel reset has no effect on the led state. If we explained that previous behavior of not booting until warmed up by a vented capacitor instead of cracked solder, could the current behavior be explained the same way by a capacitor gradually building up a charge and then losing the charge because of the venting damage? But again, those time periods are close to the chart, so maybe that's what's going on, but the computer is definitely triggering it somehow. Sure hope you haven't got tired of all these questions! :-) Bob |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:34:33 -0700, Robert Heiling
wrote: snip What I observe on the monitor is that the screen stays dark and the orange led is on steady, but the green led comes on for a few seconds (~5-10), goes of for a few, then back on and repeats the pattern. The green-on periods are the longer length since the system has been on some time. Pressing the front panel reset has no effect on the led state. If we explained that previous behavior of not booting until warmed up by a vented capacitor instead of cracked solder, could the current behavior be explained the same way by a capacitor gradually building up a charge and then losing the charge because of the venting damage? But again, those time periods are close to the chart, so maybe that's what's going on, but the computer is definitely triggering it somehow. It would simply be explained by a slightly different output timing of the video card's bios display (monitor signal) then failing since the board itself isn't posting. Nothing to be dwelling on, it is a bit irrelevant at this point. |
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kony wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:34:33 -0700, Robert Heiling wrote: snip What I observe on the monitor is that the screen stays dark and the orange led is on steady, but the green led comes on for a few seconds (~5-10), goes of for a few, then back on and repeats the pattern. The green-on periods are the longer length since the system has been on some time. Pressing the front panel reset has no effect on the led state. If we explained that previous behavior of not booting until warmed up by a vented capacitor instead of cracked solder, could the current behavior be explained the same way by a capacitor gradually building up a charge and then losing the charge because of the venting damage? But again, those time periods are close to the chart, so maybe that's what's going on, but the computer is definitely triggering it somehow. It would simply be explained by a slightly different output timing of the video card's bios display (monitor signal) then failing since the board itself isn't posting. Nothing to be dwelling on, it is a bit irrelevant at this point. Noted! and many thanks again for all of the knowledgeable help you've been giving me. You've given me what I need to know with this motherboard situation and I'll let you know how it all works out in the end. Bob |
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kony wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:10:25 -0700, Robert Heiling wrote: The one I found is the Biostar M7VKE Socket A at: http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=3624m Since the board I'm replacing is a PCChips M805LR with VIA KT133 chipset, AMD Duron and Athlon Socket A, PC133 SDRAM up to 1 GB, and AGP 4X (AGP2.0), the specs are very close. That's not a very high quality board, though it might be sufficient for a couple years use. It isn't KT133 though, it's the integrated-video version of it. That may be fine, windows may make the minor changes (which are only device names, functionally it's the same chipset plus the video), but I'd think it might be better to go with the KT133A since you don't need the integrated video. SNIP Sorry to bug you again on this, but I'd like your opinion if you would please. I've located another board that fits all my specs - MSI built, Socket A, KT133, AGP, mATX, 200MHz FSB, etc and I can use my PC133 memory. They claim the boards are OEM overstock or pulls. Boards like this are pretty old and the technology is outdated I would think, so the ones I've previously seen were priced from ~$20-$32. In this case, they're asking $80 and claim that they will have no trouble selling them at that price. Who would buy them except people in the same boat as I am with a failed motherboard? What do you think about that $80 price? Maybe I'm just being too conservative. Bob |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:08:23 -0700, Robert Heiling
wrote: kony wrote: On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:10:25 -0700, Robert Heiling wrote: The one I found is the Biostar M7VKE Socket A at: http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=3624m Since the board I'm replacing is a PCChips M805LR with VIA KT133 chipset, AMD Duron and Athlon Socket A, PC133 SDRAM up to 1 GB, and AGP 4X (AGP2.0), the specs are very close. That's not a very high quality board, though it might be sufficient for a couple years use. It isn't KT133 though, it's the integrated-video version of it. That may be fine, windows may make the minor changes (which are only device names, functionally it's the same chipset plus the video), but I'd think it might be better to go with the KT133A since you don't need the integrated video. SNIP Sorry to bug you again on this, but I'd like your opinion if you would please. I've located another board that fits all my specs - MSI built, Socket A, KT133, AGP, mATX, 200MHz FSB, etc and I can use my PC133 memory. They claim the boards are OEM overstock or pulls. Boards like this are pretty old and the technology is outdated I would think, so the ones I've previously seen were priced from ~$20-$32. In this case, they're asking $80 and claim that they will have no trouble selling them at that price. Who would buy them except people in the same boat as I am with a failed motherboard? What do you think about that $80 price? Maybe I'm just being too conservative. $80 is a bit overpriced, they might not've cost that much at many vendors when brand new and modern technology. I can't help but think the whole reason they still have them is because nobody pays $80 for it these days. Even so, this can be what happens to older hardware- the lowest cost vendors sell out and so on, till online the high-priced options remain. "Overstock or pulls" is a pretty big difference though... No way I'd pay $80 for a pull today. Here's one for $40, there may be others if you look around the 'net. http://www.targetpcinc.com/Details.a...mID=2485&Res=2 I"m not claiming it's a great board, but rather I have no experience with it and generally avoid Chaintech. Even so, $40 less with option to return it if it doesn't work right seems a worthwhile risk. Then again, it could be time to bite the bullet and upgrade the whole system, or at least a newer motherboard and some DDR memory. This is also another reason it's good to avoid mATX cases- as there were more KT133 full ATX boards at the time, and still a few more today. |
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Robert Heiling wrote:
kony wrote: .... snip ... That's not a very high quality board, though it might be sufficient for a couple years use. It isn't KT133 though, it's the integrated-video version of it. That may be fine, windows may make the minor changes (which are only device names, functionally it's the same chipset plus the video), but I'd think it might be better to go with the KT133A since you don't need the integrated video. SNIP Sorry to bug you again on this, but I'd like your opinion if you would please. I've located another board that fits all my specs - MSI built, Socket A, KT133, AGP, mATX, 200MHz FSB, etc is outdated I would think, so the ones I've previously seen were priced from ~$20-$32. In this case, they're asking $80 and claim that they will have no trouble selling them at that price. Who would buy them except people in the same boat as I am with a failed motherboard? What do you think about that $80 price? Maybe I'm just being too conservative. Please control your linelength. Lines should not exceed 72 chars, and a 65 limit is better. I reformatted this. Why get an inferior MB? Directron.com has complete 450 Mhz systems, with HD, CPU, Video, Networking, Audio, DVD, case, PS available for USD 69. The one I got even has ECC capabilities, but not ECC memory. -- "If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson |
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CBFalconer wrote:
Robert Heiling wrote: kony wrote: ... snip ... That's not a very high quality board, though it might be sufficient for a couple years use. It isn't KT133 though, it's the integrated-video version of it. That may be fine, windows may make the minor changes (which are only device names, functionally it's the same chipset plus the video), but I'd think it might be better to go with the KT133A since you don't need the integrated video. SNIP Sorry to bug you again on this, but I'd like your opinion if you would please. I've located another board that fits all my specs - MSI built, Socket A, KT133, AGP, mATX, 200MHz FSB, etc is outdated I would think, so the ones I've previously seen were priced from ~$20-$32. In this case, they're asking $80 and claim that they will have no trouble selling them at that price. Who would buy them except people in the same boat as I am with a failed motherboard? What do you think about that $80 price? Maybe I'm just being too conservative. Please control your linelength. Lines should not exceed 72 chars, and a 65 limit is better. I completely agree. I've recently been having an intermitant problem with this Netscape in that regard and haven't had the time to troubleshoot it. It has been set at 72 for an eternity. I reformatted this. I wish I had all that extra time on my hands. :-) Why get an inferior MB? Directron.com has complete 450 Mhz Oh! I see! Go *all the way* and get an inferior system? systems, with HD, CPU, Video, Networking, Audio, DVD, case, PS available for USD 69. The one I got even has ECC capabilities, but not ECC memory. You really must be kidding me and I can take a joke, but I'll sell you the working P-233 mmx in my garage that this one replaced for even less than that. For only the price of a replacement motherboard, I can use my own case, AGP board, 1/2 gig of PC133 memory, Athlon 1MHz, CPU, WD disk drives, etc. Why in the world would I want to buy your ancient system at any price? Bob |
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kony wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:08:23 -0700, Robert Heiling wrote: kony wrote: On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:10:25 -0700, Robert Heiling wrote: The one I found is the Biostar M7VKE Socket A at: http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=3624m Since the board I'm replacing is a PCChips M805LR with VIA KT133 chipset, AMD Duron and Athlon Socket A, PC133 SDRAM up to 1 GB, and AGP 4X (AGP2.0), the specs are very close. That's not a very high quality board, though it might be sufficient for a couple years use. It isn't KT133 though, it's the integrated-video version of it. That may be fine, windows may make the minor changes (which are only device names, functionally it's the same chipset plus the video), but I'd think it might be better to go with the KT133A since you don't need the integrated video. SNIP Sorry to bug you again on this, but I'd like your opinion if you would please. I've located another board that fits all my specs - MSI built, Socket A, KT133, AGP, mATX, 200MHz FSB, etc and I can use my PC133 memory. They claim the boards are OEM overstock or pulls. Boards like this are pretty old and the technology is outdated I would think, so the ones I've previously seen were priced from ~$20-$32. In this case, they're asking $80 and claim that they will have no trouble selling them at that price. Who would buy them except people in the same boat as I am with a failed motherboard? What do you think about that $80 price? Maybe I'm just being too conservative. $80 is a bit overpriced, they might not've cost that much at many vendors when brand new and modern technology. I can't help but think the whole reason they still have them is because nobody pays $80 for it these days. Even so, this can be what happens to older hardware- the lowest cost vendors sell out and so on, till online the high-priced options remain. "Overstock or pulls" is a pretty big difference though... No way I'd pay $80 for a pull today. Thanks for the confirmation. Here's one for $40, there may be others if you look around the 'net. http://www.targetpcinc.com/Details.a...mID=2485&Res=2 Thanks! That's a good one and I don't know how I missed it. It looks good and they have a standard 90 day warranty and the other outfit gave only 30 days. I've emailed them to see if the boards are new, refurb, used, etc? Probably won't hear now until Monday, but I'll order it unless the response is bad news. I"m not claiming it's a great board, but rather I have no experience with it and generally avoid Chaintech. Even so, $40 less with option to return it if it doesn't work right seems a worthwhile risk. I agree. That name is a turnoff though and reminds me of "chainsaw".g Then again, it could be time to bite the bullet and upgrade the whole system, or at least a newer motherboard and some DDR memory. This is also another reason it's good to avoid mATX cases- as there were more KT133 full ATX boards at the time, and still a few more today. I had been looking around for a bundled cpu & motherboard, Intel or Athlon, that would take my PC133 when I found that other one on a side track. In the final anlysis, I could just simply go out and buy a new system, but this one is entirely adequate for my wife's purposes and anything faster is simply overkill. Thanks again! Bob |
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Robert Heiling wrote:
kony wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:08:23 -0700, Robert Heiling wrote: kony wrote: snip Here's one for $40, there may be others if you look around the 'net. http://www.targetpcinc.com/Details.a...mID=2485&Res=2 Thanks! That's a good one and I don't know how I missed it. It looks good and they have a standard 90 day warranty and the other outfit gave only 30 days. I've emailed them to see if the boards are new, refurb, used, etc? Probably won't hear now until Monday, but I'll order it unless the response is bad news. An email came today to let me know that the boards are _new_ OEM. It's sort of funny because they also added that info to the website and in *red*.g In any case, I ordered that board and I'll let you know how it all works out after I finish the job and my wife has her computer back. Bob |
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