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(Steve Rennick) wrote in message . com...
hi again jamotto! posting from work now...and i've found smartdoctor..looks like it's a vidcard monitoring utility, and, since i have an ASUS vid card, will download it tonight and run it. oh, I forgot to mention that it was a graphics card monitor. My fault. i phoned the local computer shop here, and priced out a new chip...looks like the lowest end they have is an amd 2000 pro or a 2500 barton...at 119 and 149 respectively $149 for a 2500 Barton???? umm, try here http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...=BROWSE&depa=1 or here(this is more on the expensive side though) http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ory_Code=amdxp ...but i'd like to make sure it's not the mobo. I would too. correct me if i'm wrong, but it could still be the mobo couldn't it... Yes, If you have not removed all unneeded components then a resource conflict remains possible. that just given the fact it can run a chip with a lower clock speed doesn't necessarily means it's OK, does it Yes, by lowering the clock speed and putting in a Duron you have reduced the electrical load on the voltage regulators etc on the motherboard. ...and running smartdoctor to check the voltages going to the vidcard is one way of ascertaining that, right? Yep, it gives you one more window into your computers operating condition. Smartdoctor should beable to give you the voltage being fed to the graphics card if it varies to much then something is wrong with the graphics card or the motherboard(more likely of the two). In any case I would start backing up data that you need while it is running with the Duron. |
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so definitely NOT over
was running my usual stress-test (diablo 2) and the 1.2 duron rebooted. WOOHOO... just when i thought it was safe to go back in the water. on some other advice from the group, gonna now swap out the videocard..a geforce4 ti4200 for a geforce2mx (the g4's the only new thing in the box since the reboot started...the g2 was a good stable card for quite a while). let's see what happens now steve |
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The fact that your PC usually locks up or reboots during a game
suggests that the issue is probably related to the graphics card or the sound card. Especially since the graphics card is the only new addition. Is the AA and vsync off? didn't check...but i usually don't enable those...to much of a performance hit... I know you installed the latest nVidia drivers for your card, but are they specific to the card's manufacturer? i've swapped out the videocard for an old generic geforce2 i had with older drivers...we'll see how that goes Also have you updated your Audigy drivers? Yes. Apparently you Ihave/I to buy decent RAM for this board. It really has to be 2700. If you reset all the memory timings in the BIOS to the slowest (highest) number you might have some luck. While you're in there, try disabling your fast writes and changing the graphics aperture size to as high as it'll go (probably 256mb). already done to all of the above... NT and jamotto have the right idea about running the system with the bare minimum of components, adding gradually until you identify the problem. If you remove the soundcard and the problem goes away, you could try putting the soundcard in a PCI slot further away from your AGP slot to eliminate noise. If you put the soundcard (or modem) in PCI slot #2, I think you're 'sharing' the slot with the onboard sound, so PCI slots #3 & #4 are better options. Probably a good idea to check whether onboard sound is still active in the BIOS as well. right now i've got the network card in pci 2 which is shared with onboard audio...but i've disabled the on-board audio both using the jumper and in the bios. my soundblaster is in pci3 (unshared). the agp slot shares with pci 1...nothing in there. i do have both usb's enabled...but they share with PCI's 4/5 which i have nothing in. I guess you've already checked the seating of both video and soundcards to see that they're firmly screwed in and that there is no dust in the slots. yup... Also if you moved house there is the [small] possibility that the mobo has shifted and is intermittently coming into contact with the plate. If this is the case, make sure the board is well insulated and that you use plenty of well placed risers when you reassemble. i think i'm ok here... Also, check your CPU. Might be that all it needs is a quick clean and some Arctic Silver paste. http://www.arcticsilver.com/instructions.htm actually just re-did that tonight when i swapped the 1.2 duron back into my son's pc...it was actually pretty stable with the duron in it, but i got the same reboot while playing diablo, followed by several following as i tried to surf the net (IE6) and get some email (OE). anyway, i've now swapped out my vid card..we'll see if the machine's still running in the AM Please post your results and I'll see if I can help any further. Regards, Ratched will do...thanks ratched... |
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$149 for a 2500 Barton????
yup dude i'm in canada In any case I would start backing up data that you need while it is running with the Duron. i'm WAY beyond that...a week or so ago, before i started this process, i fdisked, formatted, then reinstalled the OS on the chance it was windows related |
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"Steve Rennick" wrote in message news:2C3Lb.19501$ts4.2934@pd7tw3no...
so a couple of questions, jamotto my friend first off, downloaded smartdoctor...only way i could get it running was by uninstalling my nvidia drivers, installing the asus ones...but it would seem i don't have full functionality with smartdoctor. what it mean is when i run it, i have very limited setup options, and no way to access the voltage and smart-cooling features. i'm assuming it's either because of my OS (win98, therefore can't run smartdoctor 4.0) or my vidcard (it's a vanilla asus geforce 4 ti4200). the reason i REALLY want to run it now, is cuz i came home from work today, and the computer had crashed again! looks like it tried to reboot, but hung at a flashing prompt (no c...just a cursor). now, i'd left asusprobe running all day. so i started asusprobe again...went upstairs for supper...and the computer had rebooted (got all the way to the desktop this time tho . now, i'm thinking it more likely had something to do with asusprobe, but i want to be able to rule out mobo entirely...and was hoping to get smartdoctor to monitor the voltage to the GPU like you did. i'm running asusprobe again right now...voltages all look good tho...like nothing freaky that would signify any problems going to the mobo...but i guess i need to see what the mobo's giving to my parts. anway..any suggestions with smartdoctor? are there other utilities to monitor videocard voltages? thanks again! steve ps no warranty for my processor...local computer shop only does a year, and i've had it a year and a bit. lowest end new cpu i can get is a 2000+, for either 109 at the shop i vowed never to frequent again or 119 at the other one. and you hit it right on the head on the money-issue..my wife's off on maternity leave right now, and we're pretty broke...so i may be stuck with a borderline system for a while now sigh I would use an older version of smartdoctor I have been using the one provided on the driver CD any newer version just never worked properly.(thought it was just my computer's problem). I don't know of any other program that can do what Smartdoctor does. |
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experiment with the older video card is done...it TOO crashed. so i've
reinstalled the geforce4...using latest nvidia reference drivers. i'm gonna slowly start eliminating stuff...starting with the USB ports on the mobo. on the other a7s333 mobo i have, i never could get the mouse working properly (i.e. the computer refused to boot in anything but safe mode) in the USB slot, so i had to use the adapter to plug it into the PS2 port. will leave PC on today...see if it's still running when i get home another difference between this board and the other one (aside from my boy's machine having nothing plugged into the USB slots), is i've got palmpilot cradle plugged into a com port. maybe i should pull that as well, and disable the com ports? following that, i'll be pulling everything out of the machine and putting the pieces back in one by one...i know you suggested a minimum config earlier jam...what was that again? vid card, floppy, keyboard..that was pretty much it, wasn't it? I would use an older version of smartdoctor I have been using the one provided on the driver CD any newer version just never worked properly.(thought it was just my computer's problem). I don't know of any other program that can do what Smartdoctor does. ps, only way i can get smartdoctor to work is by installing the asus drivers...which are a HUGE pain in the butt to completely wipe off your system. but maybe by using the OLDEST version i can find, i can get around that. but it seems to look for an asus .dll file when installing... |
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"Steve Rennick" wrote in message news:HbeLb.25753$X%5.20011@pd7tw2no...
experiment with the older video card is done...it TOO crashed. so i've reinstalled the geforce4...using latest nvidia reference drivers. i'm gonna slowly start eliminating stuff...starting with the USB ports on the mobo. on the other a7s333 mobo i have, i never could get the mouse working properly (i.e. the computer refused to boot in anything but safe mode) in the USB slot, so i had to use the adapter to plug it into the PS2 port. will leave PC on today...see if it's still running when i get home another difference between this board and the other one (aside from my boy's machine having nothing plugged into the USB slots), is i've got palmpilot cradle plugged into a com port. maybe i should pull that as well, and disable the com ports? following that, i'll be pulling everything out of the machine and putting the pieces back in one by one...i know you suggested a minimum config earlier jam...what was that again? vid card, floppy, keyboard..that was pretty much it, wasn't it? I would use an older version of smartdoctor I have been using the one provided on the driver CD any newer version just never worked properly.(thought it was just my computer's problem). I don't know of any other program that can do what Smartdoctor does. ps, only way i can get smartdoctor to work is by installing the asus drivers...which are a HUGE pain in the butt to completely wipe off your system. but maybe by using the OLDEST version i can find, i can get around that. but it seems to look for an asus .dll file when installing... Yes, all you need for minimum config is vid card, keyboard, don't really need a floppy drive either just be sure to turn off all floppy related entries in the BIOS. No, big deal if smartdoctor won't work. If the computer still crashes after taking every thing not needed out. Well then you have ruled out the graphics card, the memory?(seem to recall you ran memtest86), Processor, the O/S(when you reinstalled it, however if it were to crash in the bios setup screen this would be even better) I think that just leaves the motherboard. |
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Yes, all you need for minimum config is vid card, keyboard, don't really need a floppy drive either just be sure to turn off all floppy related entries in the BIOS. No, big deal if smartdoctor won't work. If the computer still crashes after taking every thing not needed out. Well then you have ruled out the graphics card, the memory?(seem to recall you ran memtest86), Processor, the O/S(when you reinstalled it, however if it were to crash in the bios setup screen this would be even better) I think that just leaves the motherboard. dunno if this means anything BUT computer ran all day with the USB ports disabled, and my mouse plugged into the PS2 port. given the struggles i had with the other a7s33 i have (could only boot in safe mode with the mouse in the USB port).... who knows... i may have just gotten lucky steve |
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