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Agami
I'm looking at replacing a slew of legacy Netapp filers (F760, F880, etc)
and am considering Agami among others. NAS virtualization is not an option as most of the filers are in pocket networks. Anyone have experience with Agami or similar? |
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Agami
Michael Kramer wrote:
I'm looking at replacing a slew of legacy Netapp filers (F760, F880, etc) and am considering Agami among others. NAS virtualization is not an option as most of the filers are in pocket networks. Anyone have experience with Agami or similar? I've never heard of the company or seen their stuff. Is your data important? |
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:11:23 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote: Michael Kramer wrote: I'm looking at replacing a slew of legacy Netapp filers (F760, F880, etc) and am considering Agami among others. NAS virtualization is not an option as most of the filers are in pocket networks. Anyone have experience with Agami or similar? I've never heard of the company or seen their stuff. Is your data important? www.agami.com I've not had any experience but the specs and whitepapers on the product are interesting. My biggest concern is always the file system itself, nothing else. That is the data lifeline so it needs to be rock-solid. I think it's worth an evaluation but I'd put it through the paces on data integrity. agamiFS has no real history comparitively. I'd consider putting it into production for non-critical data and make certain backups are 1) finishing without error and 2) test those backups regularly with random restores. It's alot of effort up front but, in my case, data integrity is paramount. ~F |
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Agami
Faeandar wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:11:23 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: Michael Kramer wrote: I'm looking at replacing a slew of legacy Netapp filers (F760, F880, etc) and am considering Agami among others. NAS virtualization is not an option as most of the filers are in pocket networks. Anyone have experience with Agami or similar? I've never heard of the company or seen their stuff. Is your data important? www.agami.com I've not had any experience but the specs and whitepapers on the product are interesting. My biggest concern is always the file system itself, nothing else. That is the data lifeline so it needs to be rock-solid. I just looked at this spec sheet http://www.agami.com/client_files/ag...t_6136_web.pdf so apparently they're selling a box of sata drives as something enterprise. Also, at 33" deep, it's going fit in even less racks than a 12/24 slot LTO library. I won't even guess where the support call center is. I'd pass on this product real fast. |
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:26:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote: Faeandar wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:11:23 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: Michael Kramer wrote: I'm looking at replacing a slew of legacy Netapp filers (F760, F880, etc) and am considering Agami among others. NAS virtualization is not an option as most of the filers are in pocket networks. Anyone have experience with Agami or similar? I've never heard of the company or seen their stuff. Is your data important? www.agami.com I've not had any experience but the specs and whitepapers on the product are interesting. My biggest concern is always the file system itself, nothing else. That is the data lifeline so it needs to be rock-solid. I just looked at this spec sheet http://www.agami.com/client_files/ag...t_6136_web.pdf so apparently they're selling a box of sata drives as something enterprise. Also, at 33" deep, it's going fit in even less racks than a 12/24 slot LTO library. I won't even guess where the support call center is. I'd pass on this product real fast. Panasas and Isilon are both considered enterprise class storage and both use SATA. There's nothing wrong with SATA if you understand the limitations and do not expect it to perform outside of them. agami is multi-protocol, very dense, high throughput, has some apparently nice features like replication and snapshots, etc. I would assume it's less expensive too. If it's not less expensive then I do not see a win here; others have been around longer with more history so why go with a newcomer that is the same price and without any real benefit advantage? But I assume it's less expensive anyway. If it's something that fits your requirements and floats your boat for whatever reason it's worth an eval. ~F |
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Agami
Faeandar wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:26:52 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: Faeandar wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:11:23 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: Michael Kramer wrote: I'm looking at replacing a slew of legacy Netapp filers (F760, F880, etc) and am considering Agami among others. NAS virtualization is not an option as most of the filers are in pocket networks. Anyone have experience with Agami or similar? I've never heard of the company or seen their stuff. Is your data important? www.agami.com I've not had any experience but the specs and whitepapers on the product are interesting. My biggest concern is always the file system itself, nothing else. That is the data lifeline so it needs to be rock-solid. I just looked at this spec sheet http://www.agami.com/client_files/ag...t_6136_web.pdf so apparently they're selling a box of sata drives as something enterprise. Also, at 33" deep, it's going fit in even less racks than a 12/24 slot LTO library. I won't even guess where the support call center is. I'd pass on this product real fast. Panasas and Isilon are both considered enterprise class storage and by who, pansasa and isilon? both use SATA. There's nothing wrong with SATA if you understand the limitations and do not expect it to perform outside of them. "enterprise" stuff should not have limitiations like flakey drives, or the only selling point is it costs "less" than something else. What would one call a storage system made with first rate drives, like SAS or FC? Enterprise Plus, Enhanced Enterprise, Synergy System XP5000 Extended? SATA is second rate storage, and may be suitable for massive amounts of stuff you want to access without fetching a tape. That's really about it. It might be ok in a workstation as well. I finally trust it enough to use in my workstation, although with a RAID controller. agami is multi-protocol, very dense, high throughput, has some apparently nice features like replication and snapshots, etc. I would Do any of these features work? I can't find a single story of anybody using anything from agami. assume it's less expensive too. If it's not less expensive then I do not see a win here; others have been around longer with more history so why go with a newcomer that is the same price and without any real benefit advantage? But I assume it's less expensive anyway. If it's something that fits your requirements and floats your boat for whatever reason it's worth an eval. ~F |
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:51:24 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
Panasas and Isilon are both considered enterprise class storage and by who, pansasa and isilon? www.panasas.com www.isilon.com Used heavily in media, oil & gas, movie studio, and chip design. both use SATA. There's nothing wrong with SATA if you understand the limitations and do not expect it to perform outside of them. "enterprise" stuff should not have limitiations like flakey drives, or the only selling point is it costs "less" than something else. What would one call a storage system made with first rate drives, like SAS or FC? Enterprise Plus, Enhanced Enterprise, Synergy System XP5000 Extended? Enterprise class storage is self-defined unless you want the vendor to define it for you. For instance, enterprise class might be anything where the *data* is protected by N mechanisms, regardless of the underlying drives. If I can tell a system to triple mirror certain directories, mirror others, and raid 5 the rest across N storage bricks, that to me is pretty enterprise. I might not care what the physical drives are since the *system* is extremely protective. Read up on the spec's for the above mentioned vendors for some additional info. SATA is second rate storage, and may be suitable for massive amounts of stuff you want to access without fetching a tape. That's really about it. It might be ok in a workstation as well. I finally trust it enough to use in my workstation, although with a RAID controller. I think you're confusing "storage" with "drive". They are no longer synonymous and have not been for about a decade. agami is multi-protocol, very dense, high throughput, has some apparently nice features like replication and snapshots, etc. I would Do any of these features work? I can't find a single story of anybody using anything from agami. I have no idea. That's the point of an eval, to determine what works, what doesn't, and what you care about. The OP asked about the system, no one really knows, so I told him to eval it if the spec's fit his requirements. ~F |
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Faeandar wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:51:24 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader Panasas and Isilon are both considered enterprise class storage and by who, pansasa and isilon? www.panasas.com I took a quick look here- all that was impressive was the level of bull**** talk. Here are my favorites: Leveraging Object-Based Architecture Scalable Storage for Linux Clusters - Market Evolution Customer-centric support including a personalized customer extranet site Low Total Cost of Ownership: Easy to use appliance-like management of a virtually boundless system www.isilon.com This site actually uses real technical terms, and lists specs on their product spec sheets vs. the other place with nothing but marketing bull****. |
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On Tue, 6 May 2008 05:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote: Faeandar wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:51:24 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader Panasas and Isilon are both considered enterprise class storage and by who, pansasa and isilon? www.panasas.com I took a quick look here- all that was impressive was the level of bull**** talk. Here are my favorites: Leveraging Object-Based Architecture Scalable Storage for Linux Clusters - Market Evolution Customer-centric support including a personalized customer extranet site Low Total Cost of Ownership: Easy to use appliance-like management of a virtually boundless system www.isilon.com This site actually uses real technical terms, and lists specs on their product spec sheets vs. the other place with nothing but marketing bull****. I don't think you were reading hard enough then. Panasas is one of only two storage architectures to you use object based storage which, by many accounts, is the next generation of storage (Lustre is the other). Panasas is one of only two vendors to have a client that acts as a pNFS client allowing direct access to the node that houses the data rather than through cluster interconnects (Ibrix is the other). In fact, the pNFS code that is being used as the standard in NFSv4.1 was provided in large part by Panasas. Isilon has a good story for a specific workload, large file and sequential access, but they suck on small file or random IO. Panasas's architecture has alot going for it. I'm not interested in elaborating beyond what I've already done but to say they are unimpressive is to be short-sighted. ~F |
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Faeandar wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008 05:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote: Faeandar wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:51:24 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader Panasas and Isilon are both considered enterprise class storage and by who, pansasa and isilon? www.panasas.com I took a quick look here- all that was impressive was the level of bull**** talk. Here are my favorites: Leveraging Object-Based Architecture Scalable Storage for Linux Clusters - Market Evolution Customer-centric support including a personalized customer extranet site Low Total Cost of Ownership: Easy to use appliance-like management of a virtually boundless system www.isilon.com This site actually uses real technical terms, and lists specs on their product spec sheets vs. the other place with nothing but marketing bull****. I don't think you were reading hard enough then. Panasas is one of only two storage architectures to you use object based storage which, by many accounts, is the next generation of storage (Lustre is the other). I really didn't dig for more than about 10 minutes per site. The panasas stuff stuck me as complete marketing nonsense. Maybe there's something real behind it all, but they really don't tout anything tangible. They are companies selling stuff. If they do a poor job of that, they will fail, good technology or not. It would actually be nice to see some other players in the storage market, as long as they can make a real product and support it correctly, without customer centric syngery portals. |
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