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Please help with upgrade info
Hi . Thanks for the info in an earlier post about doom3 and upgrading my pc.
Well, someone recommended downloading a system info tool so I knew what was in the box and what i could upgrade to, which i have done. But, I still dont know what I can upgrade to and wondered if someone could help?! Then i can get on and order the stuff. For instance, with the motherboard info below, how do I know what processor I could put in it? Are athlon 64's the best? What extra memory should I buy? Another 512mb chip to go next to existing? Please, if someone can help. Also, will a nvidea GeForce 6800 Ultra actually fit in my machine?! Many thanks for any help --------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003, 2004 Lavalys, Inc. ]----------------------------------------------------------- Version EVEREST v1.10.106 Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/ Report Type Report Wizard Computer POE1 Generator Owner Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail) Date 2004-08-06 Time 18:33 --------[ CPU ]----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- CPU Properties: CPU Type AMD Athlon XP, 2133 MHz (16 x 133) 2600+ CPU Alias Thoroughbred-B CPU Stepping B0 Instruction Set x86, MMX, 3DNow!, SSE L1 Code Cache 64 KB L1 Data Cache 64 KB L2 Cache 256 KB (On-Die, Full-Speed) CPU Physical Info: Package Type 453 Pin PGA Package Size 4.95 cm x 4.95 cm Transistors 37.6 million Process Technology 6Mi, 0.13 um, CMOS, Cu Die Size 84 mm2 Core Voltage 1.50 - 1.65 V I/O Voltage 1.6 V Typical Power 44.0 - 64.0 W (depending on clock speed) Maximum Power 48.5 - 74.3 W (depending on clock speed) CPU Manufacturer: Company Name Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Product Information http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...30_118,00.html CPU Utilization: CPU #1 2 % --------[ CPUID ]--------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- CPUID Properties: CPUID Manufacturer AuthenticAMD CPUID CPU Name AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ CPUID Revision 0681h Extended CPUID Revision 0781h Platform ID CBh (Socket A) IA CPU Serial Number Unknown Instruction Set: 64-bit x86 Extension Not Supported AMD 3DNow! Supported AMD 3DNow! Professional Supported AMD Enhanced 3DNow! Supported AMD Extended MMX Supported Cyrix Extended MMX Not Supported IA-64 Not Supported IA MMX Supported IA SSE Supported IA SSE 2 Not Supported IA SSE 3 Not Supported CLFLUSH Instruction Not Supported CMPXCHG8B Instruction Supported CMPXCHG16B Instruction Not Supported Conditional Move Instruction Supported FEMMS Instruction Not Supported MONITOR / MWAIT Instruction Not Supported CPUID Features: 36-bit Page Size Extension Supported Advanced Cryptography Engine Not Supported Alternate Instruction Set Not Supported Automatic Clock Control Not Supported CPL Qualified Debug Store Not Supported Debug Trace Store Not Supported Debugging Extension Supported Enhanced SpeedStep Technology Not Supported Fast Save & Restore Supported Fast System Call Supported Hyper-Threading Technology Not Supported L1 Context ID Not Supported Local APIC On Chip Supported LongRun Not Supported LongRun Table Interface Not Supported Machine-Check Architecture Supported Machine-Check Exception Supported Memory Type Range Registers Supported Model Specific Registers Supported No-Execute Page Protection Not Supported Page Attribute Table Supported Page Global Extension Supported Page Size Extension Supported Pending Break Event Not Supported Physical Address Extension Supported Processor Duty Cycle Control Not Supported Processor Serial Number Not Supported Random Number Generator Not Supported Self-Snoop Not Supported Thermal Monitor Not Supported Thermal Monitor 2 Not Supported Time Stamp Counter Supported Virtual Mode Extension Supported Enhanced Power Management: Frequency ID Control Not Supported Software Thermal Control Not Supported Temperature Sensing Diode Supported Thermal Monitoring Not Supported Thermal Trip Not Supported Voltage ID Control Not Supported --------[ Motherboard ]--------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Motherboard Properties: Motherboard ID 12/16/2002-KM266-8235-6A6LVF0BC-00 Motherboard Name FIC AM35 Front Side Bus Properties: Bus Type DEC Alpha EV6 Bus Width 64-bit Real Clock 133 MHz (DDR) Effective Clock 267 MHz Bandwidth 2133 MB/s Memory Bus Properties: Bus Type DDR SDRAM Bus Width 64-bit Real Clock 133 MHz (DDR) Effective Clock 267 MHz Bandwidth 2133 MB/s Chipset Bus Properties: Bus Type VIA V-Link Bus Width 8-bit Real Clock 53 MHz (QDR) Effective Clock 213 MHz Bandwidth 213 MB/s Motherboard Physical Info: CPU Sockets/Slots 1 Expansion Slots 3 PCI, 1 AGP RAM Slots 2 DIMM Integrated Devices Audio, Video Form Factor Micro ATX Motherboard Size 240 mm x 240 mm Motherboard Chipset KM266 Extra Features NOVUS Motherboard Manufacturer: Company Name First International Computer, Inc. Product Information http://www.fic.com.tw/product/motherboard BIOS Download http://www.fic.com.tw/support/mother...board_all.aspx --------[ Memory ]-------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Physical Memory: Total 511 MB Used 370 MB Free 140 MB Utilization 73 % Swap Space: Total 1251 MB Used 303 MB Free 948 MB Utilization 24 % Virtual Memory: Total 1762 MB Used 674 MB Free 1088 MB Utilization 38 % --------[ SPD ]----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- [ Infineon 64D64020GU7B ] Memory Module Properties: Module Name Infineon 64D64020GU7B Serial Number 022D4B15h Manufacture Date Week 4 / 2003 Module Size 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks) Module Type Unbuffered Memory Type DDR SDRAM Memory Speed PC2100 (133 MHz) Module Width 64 bit Module Voltage SSTL 2.5 Error Detection Method None Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh Highest CAS Latency 2.5 (7.0 ns @ 142 MHz) 2nd Highest CAS Latency 2.0 (7.5 ns @ 133 MHz) Memory Module Features: Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported Auto-Precharge Not Supported Precharge All Not Supported Write1/Read Burst Not Supported Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Differential Clock Input Supported Redundant Row Address Not Supported Memory Module Manufacturer: Company Name Infineon Technologies AG Product Information http://www.infineon.com/cgi/ecrm.dll....jsp?oid=-8003 --------[ Chipset ]------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Chipset Properties: Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8375 ProSavageDDR KM266 In-Order Queue Depth 4 Memory Timings: CAS Latency (CL) 2T RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 3T RAS Precharge (tRP) 3T Memory Slots: DRAM Slot #1 512 MB (PC2100 DDR SDRAM) Integrated Graphics Controller: Graphics Controller Type S3 ProSavageDDR Graphics Controller Status Disabled AGP Properties: AGP Version 2.00 AGP Status Enabled AGP Aperture Size 64 MB Supported AGP Speeds 1x, 2x, 4x Current AGP Speed 4x Fast-Write Not Supported Side Band Addressing Supported, Enabled Chipset Manufacturer: Company Name VIA Technologies, Inc. Product Information http://www.via.com.tw/en/apollo/chipsetindex.jsp Driver Download http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=2 --------[ BIOS ]---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- BIOS Properties: BIOS Type Award Award BIOS Type Phoenix-Award BIOS v6.00PG Award BIOS Message Copyright 2000 by Hewlett Packard Company Rev.AM37308 System BIOS Date 12/16/02 Video BIOS Date 03/01/12 BIOS Manufacturer: Company Name Phoenix Technologies Ltd. Product Information http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/default.htm BIOS Upgrades http://www.esupport.com/biosagent/in...m?refererid=40 Problems & Suggestions: Suggestion Are you looking for a BIOS Upgrade? Contact eSupport Today! --------[ Debug - PCI ]----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- |
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Since you have an Athlon XP chip now, you will need a new motherboard if
you want to get an Athlon 64 processor. You should be able to use a GeForce 6800 Ultra with a system that has an agp port if your power supply is good enough. Since your system has integrated video, I doubt that you have a poweful enough power supply. Your computer case is probably small, and doesn't have enough room for enough fans to adequately cool the 6800 ultra. You basically have two choices that make sense. The first is to go all out and get a new Athlon 64 system with a 6800 ultra card, or to get a mid priced video card(perhaps $80-$150?) and add that to your system. A very high end video card will be a waste for your system,since the rest of your system will be a bottleneck for it. James wrote: Hi . Thanks for the info in an earlier post about doom3 and upgrading my pc. Well, someone recommended downloading a system info tool so I knew what was in the box and what i could upgrade to, which i have done. But, I still dont know what I can upgrade to and wondered if someone could help?! Then i can get on and order the stuff. For instance, with the motherboard info below, how do I know what processor I could put in it? Are athlon 64's the best? What extra memory should I buy? Another 512mb chip to go next to existing? Please, if someone can help. Also, will a nvidea GeForce 6800 Ultra actually fit in my machine?! Many thanks for any help --------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003, 2004 Lavalys, Inc. ]----------------------------------------------------------- Version EVEREST v1.10.106 Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/ Report Type Report Wizard Computer POE1 Generator Owner Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail) Date 2004-08-06 Time 18:33 --------[ CPU ]----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- CPU Properties: CPU Type AMD Athlon XP, 2133 MHz (16 x 133) 2600+ CPU Alias Thoroughbred-B CPU Stepping B0 Instruction Set x86, MMX, 3DNow!, SSE L1 Code Cache 64 KB L1 Data Cache 64 KB L2 Cache 256 KB (On-Die, Full-Speed) CPU Physical Info: Package Type 453 Pin PGA Package Size 4.95 cm x 4.95 cm Transistors 37.6 million Process Technology 6Mi, 0.13 um, CMOS, Cu Die Size 84 mm2 Core Voltage 1.50 - 1.65 V I/O Voltage 1.6 V Typical Power 44.0 - 64.0 W (depending on clock speed) Maximum Power 48.5 - 74.3 W (depending on clock speed) CPU Manufacturer: Company Name Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Product Information http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...30_118,00.html CPU Utilization: CPU #1 2 % --------[ CPUID ]--------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- CPUID Properties: CPUID Manufacturer AuthenticAMD CPUID CPU Name AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ CPUID Revision 0681h Extended CPUID Revision 0781h Platform ID CBh (Socket A) IA CPU Serial Number Unknown Instruction Set: 64-bit x86 Extension Not Supported AMD 3DNow! Supported AMD 3DNow! Professional Supported AMD Enhanced 3DNow! Supported AMD Extended MMX Supported Cyrix Extended MMX Not Supported IA-64 Not Supported IA MMX Supported IA SSE Supported IA SSE 2 Not Supported IA SSE 3 Not Supported CLFLUSH Instruction Not Supported CMPXCHG8B Instruction Supported CMPXCHG16B Instruction Not Supported Conditional Move Instruction Supported FEMMS Instruction Not Supported MONITOR / MWAIT Instruction Not Supported CPUID Features: 36-bit Page Size Extension Supported Advanced Cryptography Engine Not Supported Alternate Instruction Set Not Supported Automatic Clock Control Not Supported CPL Qualified Debug Store Not Supported Debug Trace Store Not Supported Debugging Extension Supported Enhanced SpeedStep Technology Not Supported Fast Save & Restore Supported Fast System Call Supported Hyper-Threading Technology Not Supported L1 Context ID Not Supported Local APIC On Chip Supported LongRun Not Supported LongRun Table Interface Not Supported Machine-Check Architecture Supported Machine-Check Exception Supported Memory Type Range Registers Supported Model Specific Registers Supported No-Execute Page Protection Not Supported Page Attribute Table Supported Page Global Extension Supported Page Size Extension Supported Pending Break Event Not Supported Physical Address Extension Supported Processor Duty Cycle Control Not Supported Processor Serial Number Not Supported Random Number Generator Not Supported Self-Snoop Not Supported Thermal Monitor Not Supported Thermal Monitor 2 Not Supported Time Stamp Counter Supported Virtual Mode Extension Supported Enhanced Power Management: Frequency ID Control Not Supported Software Thermal Control Not Supported Temperature Sensing Diode Supported Thermal Monitoring Not Supported Thermal Trip Not Supported Voltage ID Control Not Supported --------[ Motherboard ]--------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Motherboard Properties: Motherboard ID 12/16/2002-KM266-8235-6A6LVF0BC-00 Motherboard Name FIC AM35 Front Side Bus Properties: Bus Type DEC Alpha EV6 Bus Width 64-bit Real Clock 133 MHz (DDR) Effective Clock 267 MHz Bandwidth 2133 MB/s Memory Bus Properties: Bus Type DDR SDRAM Bus Width 64-bit Real Clock 133 MHz (DDR) Effective Clock 267 MHz Bandwidth 2133 MB/s Chipset Bus Properties: Bus Type VIA V-Link Bus Width 8-bit Real Clock 53 MHz (QDR) Effective Clock 213 MHz Bandwidth 213 MB/s Motherboard Physical Info: CPU Sockets/Slots 1 Expansion Slots 3 PCI, 1 AGP RAM Slots 2 DIMM Integrated Devices Audio, Video Form Factor Micro ATX Motherboard Size 240 mm x 240 mm Motherboard Chipset KM266 Extra Features NOVUS Motherboard Manufacturer: Company Name First International Computer, Inc. Product Information http://www.fic.com.tw/product/motherboard BIOS Download http://www.fic.com.tw/support/mother...board_all.aspx --------[ Memory ]-------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Physical Memory: Total 511 MB Used 370 MB Free 140 MB Utilization 73 % Swap Space: Total 1251 MB Used 303 MB Free 948 MB Utilization 24 % Virtual Memory: Total 1762 MB Used 674 MB Free 1088 MB Utilization 38 % --------[ SPD ]----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- [ Infineon 64D64020GU7B ] Memory Module Properties: Module Name Infineon 64D64020GU7B Serial Number 022D4B15h Manufacture Date Week 4 / 2003 Module Size 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks) Module Type Unbuffered Memory Type DDR SDRAM Memory Speed PC2100 (133 MHz) Module Width 64 bit Module Voltage SSTL 2.5 Error Detection Method None Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh Highest CAS Latency 2.5 (7.0 ns @ 142 MHz) 2nd Highest CAS Latency 2.0 (7.5 ns @ 133 MHz) Memory Module Features: Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported Auto-Precharge Not Supported Precharge All Not Supported Write1/Read Burst Not Supported Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Differential Clock Input Supported Redundant Row Address Not Supported Memory Module Manufacturer: Company Name Infineon Technologies AG Product Information http://www.infineon.com/cgi/ecrm.dll....jsp?oid=-8003 --------[ Chipset ]------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Chipset Properties: Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8375 ProSavageDDR KM266 In-Order Queue Depth 4 Memory Timings: CAS Latency (CL) 2T RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 3T RAS Precharge (tRP) 3T Memory Slots: DRAM Slot #1 512 MB (PC2100 DDR SDRAM) Integrated Graphics Controller: Graphics Controller Type S3 ProSavageDDR Graphics Controller Status Disabled AGP Properties: AGP Version 2.00 AGP Status Enabled AGP Aperture Size 64 MB Supported AGP Speeds 1x, 2x, 4x Current AGP Speed 4x Fast-Write Not Supported Side Band Addressing Supported, Enabled Chipset Manufacturer: Company Name VIA Technologies, Inc. Product Information http://www.via.com.tw/en/apollo/chipsetindex.jsp Driver Download http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=2 --------[ BIOS ]---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- BIOS Properties: BIOS Type Award Award BIOS Type Phoenix-Award BIOS v6.00PG Award BIOS Message Copyright 2000 by Hewlett Packard Company Rev.AM37308 System BIOS Date 12/16/02 Video BIOS Date 03/01/12 BIOS Manufacturer: Company Name Phoenix Technologies Ltd. Product Information http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/default.htm BIOS Upgrades http://www.esupport.com/biosagent/in...m?refererid=40 Problems & Suggestions: Suggestion Are you looking for a BIOS Upgrade? Contact eSupport Today! --------[ Debug - PCI ]----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- |
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SNIP
well your motherboard specs can be found here http://tinyurl.com/5cyou Your motherboard only supports PC2100 Ram which operates at 133Mhz so effectively a 266Mhz FSB. Which is going to be a HUGE bottleneck for the rest of the system. Looking at all the info you have posted there, I would assume you have a prebuilt machine. If you want to run decent with your system there a couple of things you need to buy. First I would recommend a better PSU prebuilt PSU's usually come with crap for PSU. I am gonna recommend a -MINIMUM- 480 Watt name brand since you are planning on throwing in a high end vid card. Your main bottleneck right now is actually your motherboard and ram combo. I would recommend replacing both. You could get something like an Asus A7n8x series board. I have one and love it, they do very well in the reviews as well. Your processor will support a 333Mhz FSB so I would buy atleast Pc2700 Ram, I would go for PC3200 if you can get it, just because if you later on decide to upgrade again your ram has more reusability. On your case...most pre-built cases I have seen do not have adequate airflow to cool the "higher" end stuff. This leaves you with two options, 1.)Buy a new case. 2.)Mod your case, get a hole saw and start cutting... As far as your video card goes too, I would recommend buying an after market heatsink for it. The heatsinks that come with the cards just don't cut it. The Athlon 64 bit processors do do EXTREMELY well for gaming in Doom 3. However you are looking at quite a bit more money invested. However the return (in my eyes anyway) is well worth it. HTH -Chris |
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:45:13 +0000 (UTC), "James"
wrote: Hi . Thanks for the info in an earlier post about doom3 and upgrading my pc. Well, someone recommended downloading a system info tool so I knew what was in the box and what i could upgrade to, which i have done. But, I still dont know what I can upgrade to and wondered if someone could help?! Then i can get on and order the stuff. For instance, with the motherboard info below, how do I know what processor I could put in it? Are athlon 64's the best? What extra memory should I buy? Another 512mb chip to go next to existing? Please, if someone can help. Also, will a nvidea GeForce 6800 Ultra actually fit in my machine?! system report snipped The largest bottleneck for your system (towards playing Doom3) is the integrated KM266 video... it is roughly on par with an OEM TNT2 video card, not even 1/4 as fast as it'd need be. As another poster mentioned, assess your power supply... the best upgrade for gaming will be a mid to higher end video card, but such a card would require PSU replacement too (not necessarily but it's likely). Your CPU isn't optmal but not "horrible", should allow playable framerates. The memory (@ 512MB) is not optimal but again, enough for a playable Doom3. Memory & FSB rate of 133MHz/DDR266 is also non-optimal but enough for Doom3. In other words buying a better video card (and PSU if needed), would be a significant difference. To get much higher performance than that you'd need rebuild whole system, and you'd still need the new video card either way so that would seem to be the first purchase. |
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