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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
Hi, Since a few days my Q6600/8800GTX system has been behaving rather strangely. Full specs: MSI P6N-Diamond (680i) Intel Q6600, non-overclocked 4GB RAM Club3D 8800GTX (by all looks a reference design) I'm having these problems under both WinXP32 and Vista64. It doesn't happen in the desktop, but it happens in a few games (Diablo II in both DirectX as well as Glide mode via a Glide wrapper, Mythos beta). I've run Crysis for a few hours, and it seemed to behave ok. What happens: The games are running ok, until suddenly all action seems to slow-down. Sometimes they pick up again, only to halt again a second later. In almost all case, the nv4_disp is faulted. Sometimes via a BSOD (and a report after rebooting), the most recent one a requester which popped up, with the title: "Windows Display Driver Stopped Resonding", text: "The nv4_disp display driver has stopped working normally. Save your work ... etc". While I can understand Mythos (a game in beta status) has some display related problems, especially Diablo II always worked flawlessly. I've since then tested my memory with MemTest86, and this afternoon the system completed 2 full succesfull passes. I've also uninstalled the drivers in Safe mode, wiped out every trace of them using DriverCleaner, and re-installed the latest XP WHQL drivers (169.21), again. This made no difference. What's the best way to test if the 8800GTX is at fault (and has somehow recently developed a problem?), or could someone provide a way to proceed? I suppose the next step would be to re-install XP, and see if that changes things, but this will take me quite some time, so if there's anything I can do which doesn't involve re-installing XP, I'm all ears. Also, since I'm seeing the same type of behaviour under Vista64 (installed on another HD in the system), I suppose all arrows are blinking and pointing at the 8800GTX. Regards, Patrick. |
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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
"Patrick Vervoorn" schreef in
bericht l... Hi, Since a few days my Q6600/8800GTX system has been behaving rather strangely. Full specs: MSI P6N-Diamond (680i) Intel Q6600, non-overclocked 4GB RAM Club3D 8800GTX (by all looks a reference design) I'm having these problems under both WinXP32 and Vista64. It doesn't happen in the desktop, but it happens in a few games (Diablo II in both DirectX as well as Glide mode via a Glide wrapper, Mythos beta). I've run Crysis for a few hours, and it seemed to behave ok. What happens: The games are running ok, until suddenly all action seems to slow-down. Sometimes they pick up again, only to halt again a second later. In almost all case, the nv4_disp is faulted. Sometimes via a BSOD (and a report after rebooting), the most recent one a requester which popped up, with the title: "Windows Display Driver Stopped Resonding", text: "The nv4_disp display driver has stopped working normally. Save your work ... etc". While I can understand Mythos (a game in beta status) has some display related problems, especially Diablo II always worked flawlessly. I've since then tested my memory with MemTest86, and this afternoon the system completed 2 full succesfull passes. I've also uninstalled the drivers in Safe mode, wiped out every trace of them using DriverCleaner, and re-installed the latest XP WHQL drivers (169.21), again. This made no difference. What's the best way to test if the 8800GTX is at fault (and has somehow recently developed a problem?), or could someone provide a way to proceed? I suppose the next step would be to re-install XP, and see if that changes things, but this will take me quite some time, so if there's anything I can do which doesn't involve re-installing XP, I'm all ears. Also, since I'm seeing the same type of behaviour under Vista64 (installed on another HD in the system), I suppose all arrows are blinking and pointing at the 8800GTX. Have You tried playing the games without the computer case closed and a big fan blowing at the internals (for testing purposes I mean)? The things You are describing make me think of the card getting a bit too hot. Perhaps dust has cluttered up in Your computer? Bad airflow inside the case? Warm weather outside (probably only of importance during this time of year when You're on the southern hemisphere ;-))? Good luck! Yours sincerely, Rene |
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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
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Rene wrote: [snip] Have You tried playing the games without the computer case closed and a big fan blowing at the internals (for testing purposes I mean)? The things You are describing make me think of the card getting a bit too hot. Perhaps dust has cluttered up in Your computer? Bad airflow inside the case? Warm weather outside (probably only of importance during this time of year when You're on the southern hemisphere ;-))? The stuff is mounted in an Antec P182. I checked the temperatures with Everest, and the card is around 55-65 degrees, even when loaded. I also hear the fan of the 8800GTX spin up. Just tried running the 'Froggy' demo from NVidia, and that also crashed after about an half hour. If this is temperature related, it doesn't show on the monitoring tools. Regards, Patrick. |
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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
"Patrick Vervoorn" wrote in
message . .. The stuff is mounted in an Antec P182. I checked the temperatures with Everest, and the card is around 55-65 degrees, even when loaded. I also hear the fan of the 8800GTX spin up. How are you checking temps "when loaded"? Do you have Everest running on a 2nd monitor, alt-tabbing back and forth, or logging to a text file? Just tried running the 'Froggy' demo from NVidia, and that also crashed after about an half hour. If this is temperature related, it doesn't show on the monitoring tools. There are other components on your card that can heat up, such as the RAM or voltage regulator modules. These may not show up in a "simple" monitoring tool such as Everest. How are the CPU temps with a stress utility such as Toast? (Run 4 instances of Toast to load up all four cores.) Are you overclocking the Q6600? -- "War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." |
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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
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First of One wrote: "Patrick Vervoorn" wrote in message . .. The stuff is mounted in an Antec P182. I checked the temperatures with Everest, and the card is around 55-65 degrees, even when loaded. I also hear the fan of the 8800GTX spin up. How are you checking temps "when loaded"? Do you have Everest running on a 2nd monitor, alt-tabbing back and forth, or logging to a text file? Well, it seems the temperatures dropped off faster than I thought. I finally decided on using the 'Froggy' demo, combined with the nTune monitor app: if you press the Windows-key while Froggy runs, you get to see the windows task bar, let Froggy run in the background, and show the nTune Monitor window on top of that. The GPU1 temperature, when running Froggy for a while, evens out around 80 deg C. After about 0.5 to 1.5 hours of 'Froggy' the system starts to 'stutter'. The current windows clock is actually updated, the temperature of GPU1 drops down a bit (to ~73-75 deg C), and if I let it 'stutter' on like that, it usually ends with a BSOD error. There are other components on your card that can heat up, such as the RAM or voltage regulator modules. These may not show up in a "simple" monitoring tool such as Everest. I am aware there are only a few sensors on an 8800GTX, and I'm currently assuming something on the card not near any of those sensors is overheating. Perhaps something not making a 100% connection with the heat-sink? I can't think of any other problems which takes between 0.5 - 1.5 hours of heavy load to show up. How are the CPU temps with a stress utility such as Toast? (Run 4 instances of Toast to load up all four cores.) Are you overclocking the Q6600? The system ran (and still runs) SetBOINC 24/7, and does that comfortably. All 4 cores are each utilized for 100% running that; I suppose that's as good a test as Toast? It's only when heavy 3D work is being done that the system goes down. Games are not the most handy tools to check this with, so I decided on a demo of NVidia, Froggy, in a non-interactive mode (Flyby 2) to stress the GPU. Oh, and as I said in my OP, I do not overclock the Q6600. Neither do I overclock the 8800GTX. I'll contact the shop I got it from, and hope to pick up a loaner this afternoon. I'll plop that in, and if it's capable of some 3D work (I'm not expecting another 8800 class card as the loader unfortunately) I'll try to stress-test that to see if the system still goes down. If that solves it, the 8800GTX will be returned to the shop, and I suppose be RMA-ed. Regards, Patrick. |
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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
In almost all case, the nv4_disp is faulted. Sometimes via a BSOD (and a report after rebooting), the most recent one a requester which popped up, with the title: "Windows Display Driver Stopped Resonding", text: "The nv4_disp display driver has stopped working normally. Save your work ... etc". I also have this happen occasionally with a Q6600 and 4GB of RAM installed. I only have an 7600GS for now and just play Battlefield 2, running a BF2 server concurrently on the same machine. I wonder if pulling 2GB or setting the processor affinity to a single core in task manager's processes tab might not be a worthwhile experiment. |
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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
In article gCDtj.6546$kz3.3204@trndny03, Fishface ? wrote:
Patrick Vervoorn wrote: In almost all case, the nv4_disp is faulted. Sometimes via a BSOD (and a report after rebooting), the most recent one a requester which popped up, with the title: "Windows Display Driver Stopped Resonding", text: "The nv4_disp display driver has stopped working normally. Save your work ... etc". I also have this happen occasionally with a Q6600 and 4GB of RAM installed. I only have an 7600GS for now and just play Battlefield 2, running a BF2 server concurrently on the same machine. I wonder if pulling 2GB or setting the processor affinity to a single core in task manager's processes tab might not be a worthwhile experiment. The machine had this behaviour in applications/games which were previously working perfectly. I had also already pulled 2GB out, but that didn't change anything. Anyway, the shop I brought it back to tested everything, and they concluded the 8800GTX was fine, but the 680i mainboard was having serious problems. It will be RMAed, and I'm trying to get something else back if/when possible (thinking of getting an Intel X38 based board). We'll see what's possible/what happens... Regards, Patrick. |
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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
In article gCDtj.6546$kz3.3204@trndny03, "Fishface" ? wrote:
Patrick Vervoorn wrote: In almost all case, the nv4_disp is faulted. Sometimes via a BSOD (and a report after rebooting), the most recent one a requester which popped up, with the title: "Windows Display Driver Stopped Resonding", text: "The nv4_disp display driver has stopped working normally. Save your work ... etc". I also have this happen occasionally with a Q6600 and 4GB of RAM installed. I only have an 7600GS for now and just play Battlefield 2, running a BF2 server concurrently on the same machine. I wonder if pulling 2GB or setting the processor affinity to a single core in task manager's processes tab might not be a worthwhile experiment. Double check to make sure your little cooling fan on the card hasnt melted. I had my 7600GS fan melt down into a glob due to it freezing up. |
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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
GMAN wrote:
Double check to make sure your little cooling fan on the card hasnt melted. I had my 7600GS fan melt down into a glob due to it freezing up. Well, it is a fanless card, but it has a thin 80mm fan in the P180 blowing ducted air right on it. |
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Strange behaviour since a few days with Q6600/8800GTX system
On Feb 11, 11:22*am, Patrick Vervoorn
wrote: In article , Rene wrote: [snip] Have You tried playing the games without the computer case closed and a big fan blowing at the internals (for testing purposes I mean)? The things You are describing make me think of the card getting a bit too hot. Perhaps dust has cluttered up in Your computer? Bad airflow inside the case? Warm weather outside (probably only of importance during this time of year when You're on the southern hemisphere ;-))? The stuff is mounted in an Antec P182. I checked the temperatures with Everest, and the card is around 55-65 degrees, even when loaded. I also hear the fan of the 8800GTX spin up. Just tried running the 'Froggy' demo from NVidia, and that also crashed after about an half hour. If this is temperature related, it doesn't show on the monitoring tools. Regards, Patrick. I had temp problems on my motherboard that caused lots of trouble. Seems that EVGA thought it was a good idea to use this crappy putty instead of real heatsink grease on the north and south bridge IC and all the regulators. After I cleaned that garbage off and put some Arctic silver on the heatsinks my random BSOD's went away. Matt |
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