Any dye-sublimation photo paper sources?

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Mort writes:

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Hello Mort,

I have spent*weeks* searching online, in both English and Japanese, with
absolutely no luck whatsoever on Google, despite reading plenty of
products on everything from eBay to Alibaba that came up in the
searches, not to mention great research papers by Fuji about their
development of high-grade dye-sub photo paper.

Maybe you are seeing something I am not (since I have been in Japan
since 1998 I may not be familiar with the terms used in the West
anymore).

The only paper types I can find a

(1) transfer papers for transferring the dye-sub image to other media
(mugs, cups, etc.)

(2) roll sheets of photo media for Sony, Nikon, and other dye-sub
printers for kiosk use.


Hi Gernot,

Based upon your last reply, I carefully searched the net again, and I
fear that you are correct The various sources all offer rolls of the
paper media type that you seek,and I found none for cut sheets. I have
an analogous situation with inkjet photo paper, where the only brand
that works well with my printer comes in only USA letter size. For
making 5x7" (circa 13 x 18 cm.)prints, I therefore acquired a
guillotine paper trimmer, and cut each sheet in half. If you have no
other source, then you could well do something similar.

Hello Mort,

Many thanks for your follow-up. Good to know that what I discovered is
indeed the case. One last hiccup is whether the paper can be bought
without the extra cost of included inks (which I do not need).
I have written to one supplier online and asked, so far no reply.
If you managed to ascertain whether the paper is sold "raw", i.e., not
packaged with inks, that would be wonderful to know.

I am more than happy to buy a decent paper trimmer if I can get the
media in decent quantities.

Regards,
Gernot


Hi Gernot,

I found apparent sources of dye-sub paper without ink or ribbons, but I
suggest that you contact the store directly to make sure. It is B&H
photo in New York City,

www.bhphotovideo.com

The 2 brands each have 2 rolls of dye-sub paper, each roll giving 600 or
700 prints in the 4x6" size = 10x15 cm., and no mention is made of inks
or ink ribbons.

Fuji, store # FUASK200046 2 rolls per box, each giving 600 prints of
4x6", $185.-

DMP, store # DN900931C 2 rolls per box, each giving 700 prints of
4x6", $190.-.

If this might be what you need, I suggest that you contact the store by
e-mail to ascertain that indeed no inks are included, and also find out
the shipping charges. They offer free shipping within the USA, but
shipping to Japan might be expensive.

In any event, good luck, and Happy New Year.(Should I say Gute Sylvester?)

Mort Linder

Mort writes:

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Mort writes:

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Hello Mort,

I have spent*weeks* searching online, in both English and Japanese, with
absolutely no luck whatsoever on Google, despite reading plenty of
products on everything from eBay to Alibaba that came up in the
searches, not to mention great research papers by Fuji about their
development of high-grade dye-sub photo paper.

Maybe you are seeing something I am not (since I have been in Japan
since 1998 I may not be familiar with the terms used in the West
anymore).

The only paper types I can find a

(1) transfer papers for transferring the dye-sub image to other media
(mugs, cups, etc.)

(2) roll sheets of photo media for Sony, Nikon, and other dye-sub
printers for kiosk use.


Hi Gernot,

Based upon your last reply, I carefully searched the net again, and I
fear that you are correct The various sources all offer rolls of the
paper media type that you seek,and I found none for cut sheets. I have
an analogous situation with inkjet photo paper, where the only brand
that works well with my printer comes in only USA letter size. For
making 5x7" (circa 13 x 18 cm.)prints, I therefore acquired a
guillotine paper trimmer, and cut each sheet in half. If you have no
other source, then you could well do something similar.

Hello Mort,

Many thanks for your follow-up. Good to know that what I discovered is
indeed the case. One last hiccup is whether the paper can be bought
without the extra cost of included inks (which I do not need).
I have written to one supplier online and asked, so far no reply.
If you managed to ascertain whether the paper is sold "raw", i.e., not
packaged with inks, that would be wonderful to know.

I am more than happy to buy a decent paper trimmer if I can get the
media in decent quantities.

Regards,
Gernot


Hi Gernot,

I found apparent sources of dye-sub paper without ink or ribbons, but
I suggest that you contact the store directly to make sure. It is B&H
photo in New York City,

www.bhphotovideo.com

The 2 brands each have 2 rolls of dye-sub paper, each roll giving 600
or 700 prints in the 4x6" size = 10x15 cm., and no mention is made of
inks or ink ribbons.

Fuji, store # FUASK200046 2 rolls per box, each giving 600 prints of
4x6", $185.-

DMP, store # DN900931C 2 rolls per box, each giving 700 prints of
4x6", $190.-.

If this might be what you need, I suggest that you contact the store
by e-mail to ascertain that indeed no inks are included, and also find
out the shipping charges. They offer free shipping within the USA, but
shipping to Japan might be expensive.

Hi Mort, Many thanks for that. Unfortunately, that is the place I had
written to, and they sent me a nice reply stating that this is ink plus
paper combined, and they do not sell separately. So I am out of luck
worldwide I think, unless I can source from the media maker in China
(presumably) directly.

In any event, good luck, and Happy New Year.(Should I say Gute Sylvester?)

Jawohl, einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr!

Mort Linder

Gruesse,
Gernot Hassenpflug
Tokyo, Japan

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Hi Mort, Many thanks for that. Unfortunately, that is the place I had
written to, and they sent me a nice reply stating that this is ink plus
paper combined, and they do not sell separately. So I am out of luck
worldwide I think, unless I can source from the media maker in China
(presumably) directly.

In any event, good luck, and Happy New Year.(Should I say Gute Sylvester?)
Jawohl, einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr!

Mort Linder


Hi Gernot,

Es tut mir leid. At least I tried.

I studied German for 2 years in college in New York. Then I lived for 5
years in Utrecht, NL, where the Dutch language has no more der, die,
das, des, der, dem, etc., but almost all simply de. Therefore my German
grammar has gone downhill.

I hope that you eventually find the paper that you need. It is so
frustrating to need something that no one seems to have.

Regards,

Mort

Hi,

Try this URL, and good luck.

Mort Linder



Mort wrote:



Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Hi Mort, Many thanks for that. Unfortunately, that is the place I had
written to, and they sent me a nice reply stating that this is ink plus
paper combined, and they do not sell separately. So I am out of luck
worldwide I think, unless I can source from the media maker in China
(presumably) directly.

In any event, good luck, and Happy New Year.(Should I say Gute
Sylvester?)
Jawohl, einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr!

Mort Linder


Hi Gernot,

Es tut mir leid. At least I tried.

I studied German for 2 years in college in New York. Then I lived for 5
years in Utrecht, NL, where the Dutch language has no more der, die,
das, des, der, dem, etc., but almost all simply de. Therefore my German
grammar has gone downhill.

I hope that you eventually find the paper that you need. It is so
frustrating to need something that no one seems to have.

Regards,

Mort

I was hoping for some practical experience from someone, but I suppose I
can try to find some "coated paper" and see if that works on a test
printer (preferably one with a damaged printhead).

I know for sure, that some companies sell separately ink rolls and paper for
professional models. For example, these sheets for Olympus P400 printer
http://www.systeminsight.co.uk/Olymp...oto_Paper.html .
Don't worry, all papers are suitable for all models.



"Gernot Hassenpflug" wrote in message
...
"Yianni" writes:

I do buy the ALPS photo postcard media, but I am looking for
normal-sized photo media (in Japan this is L size, I suppose in the
rest
of the work KG size or something like that is often used).

However, I am unable to find dye-sub compatible photo media in the
shops
in Japan, or on the internet (except for mug transfer). It is true I
can
obtain rolls of dye-sub media for those types of photo printes that
cut
the media (commercial-grade machines) but no pre-cut photo media such
as
one can buy for inkjet printers.

Hello, thanks for the reply.

I have never seen the dye sublimation paper. I don't know how it looks
like.
But, I can help you in another way. Dye sublimation (sublimate = in
Physics
transition from solid to gas without going through a liquid stage) could
print to almost any synthetic material, especially to polyester, pvc,
etc.
If you use a plastic film (polyester or pvc) you can print on it (like ID
card). Read this article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dye-sublimation_printer .

This I know :-)

Actually, the dye-sublimation is incorrectly defined, since for the
photo printing the ink does not in fact sublime, it diffuses (but the
name stuck, and sublimation is indeed used for the transfer printing
onto other substanceS).

http://www.dyesublimation.com/sublimationpaper.html I suppose the
specific
papers should be polymer coated paper.

That is interesting.
I was hoping for some practical experience from someone, but I suppose I
can try to find some "coated paper" and see if that works on a test
printer (preferably one with a damaged printhead).

Aside: Problem is, the ALPS printers are expensive and precious, and I
do not wish to risk damage to the printhead by using media that could
pose a hazard to it.

BTW, I received a reply from the vendor I wrote to about the roll media:
they only sell the media including inks, not separately.
I think I will try to find some sources in China, perhaps there are some
businesses that can help me.

Regards,
Gernot
--
NNTP on Emacs 24.3 from Windows 7

Mort writes:

Hi,

Try this URL, and good luck.

Thanks Mort,
Unfortunately, this is media for *transfer* rather than final photo: so
the ink is transferred to the final media using heat and pressure.

I'll find my way somehow, and report back!

PS no worries about the German grammar. And Dutch people laugh at my
Afrikaans (heck even Afrikaans people laugh at my Afrikaans).

Gernot

Mort Linder



Mort wrote:



Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Hi Mort, Many thanks for that. Unfortunately, that is the place I had
written to, and they sent me a nice reply stating that this is ink plus
paper combined, and they do not sell separately. So I am out of luck
worldwide I think, unless I can source from the media maker in China
(presumably) directly.

In any event, good luck, and Happy New Year.(Should I say Gute
Sylvester?)
Jawohl, einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr!

Mort Linder


Hi Gernot,

Es tut mir leid. At least I tried.

I studied German for 2 years in college in New York. Then I lived for 5
years in Utrecht, NL, where the Dutch language has no more der, die,
das, des, der, dem, etc., but almost all simply de. Therefore my German
grammar has gone downhill.

I hope that you eventually find the paper that you need. It is so
frustrating to need something that no one seems to have.

Regards,

Mort

"Yianni" writes:

I was hoping for some practical experience from someone, but I suppose I
can try to find some "coated paper" and see if that works on a test
printer (preferably one with a damaged printhead).

I know for sure, that some companies sell separately ink rolls and paper for
professional models. For example, these sheets for Olympus P400 printer
http://www.systeminsight.co.uk/Olymp...oto_Paper.html .
Don't worry, all papers are suitable for all models.

That is great!! Thank you, I did not find such links unfortunately in my
searches before.
I will have a look further (also in Japan) and find out if I can
purchase L size separately somewhere too (A4 is fine for me too, but not
right now).

Regards,
Gernot Hassenpflug



"Gernot Hassenpflug" wrote in message
...
"Yianni" writes:

I do buy the ALPS photo postcard media, but I am looking for
normal-sized photo media (in Japan this is L size, I suppose in the
rest
of the work KG size or something like that is often used).

However, I am unable to find dye-sub compatible photo media in the
shops
in Japan, or on the internet (except for mug transfer). It is true I
can
obtain rolls of dye-sub media for those types of photo printes that
cut
the media (commercial-grade machines) but no pre-cut photo media such
as
one can buy for inkjet printers.

Hello, thanks for the reply.

I have never seen the dye sublimation paper. I don't know how it looks
like.
But, I can help you in another way. Dye sublimation (sublimate = in
Physics
transition from solid to gas without going through a liquid stage) could
print to almost any synthetic material, especially to polyester, pvc,
etc.
If you use a plastic film (polyester or pvc) you can print on it (like ID
card). Read this article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dye-sublimation_printer .

This I know :-)

Actually, the dye-sublimation is incorrectly defined, since for the
photo printing the ink does not in fact sublime, it diffuses (but the
name stuck, and sublimation is indeed used for the transfer printing
onto other substanceS).

http://www.dyesublimation.com/sublimationpaper.html I suppose the
specific
papers should be polymer coated paper.

That is interesting.
I was hoping for some practical experience from someone, but I suppose I
can try to find some "coated paper" and see if that works on a test
printer (preferably one with a damaged printhead).

Aside: Problem is, the ALPS printers are expensive and precious, and I
do not wish to risk damage to the printhead by using media that could
pose a hazard to it.

BTW, I received a reply from the vendor I wrote to about the roll media:
they only sell the media including inks, not separately.
I think I will try to find some sources in China, perhaps there are some
businesses that can help me.

Regards,
Gernot
--
NNTP on Emacs 24.3 from Windows 7

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
PS no worries about the German grammar. And Dutch people laugh at my
Afrikaans (heck even Afrikaans people laugh at my Afrikaans).


I think that Dutch people laugh at everyone's Afrikaans, not just yours.

No problem, as English has become the lingua franca, supplanting Latin.

Mort Linder

Mort writes:

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
PS no worries about the German grammar. And Dutch people laugh at my
Afrikaans (heck even Afrikaans people laugh at my Afrikaans).


I think that Dutch people laugh at everyone's Afrikaans, not just yours.

No problem, as English has become the lingua franca, supplanting Latin.

Mort Linder

:-) Happy new year, Froehliches neues Jahr (vrolike nuwe jaar! in Afrikaans)

I have managed to find some factories in China that apparently supply
dye-sub paper. Questions are whether it is normal photo paper or
transfer paper (to transfer to other final destination media later using
pressure and heat), and what quantities one can order in.

The ALPS paper seems to be metallic-coated. When the plastic flap from a
postcard pack stuck to one of the media, I pulled it off and it took the
coating off revealing a silver under layer.

Regards,
Gernot Hassenpflug

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
Mort writes:

Gernot Hassenpflug wrote:
PS no worries about the German grammar. And Dutch people laugh at my
Afrikaans (heck even Afrikaans people laugh at my Afrikaans).


I think that Dutch people laugh at everyone's Afrikaans, not just yours.

No problem, as English has become the lingua franca, supplanting Latin.

Mort Linder

:-) Happy new year, Froehliches neues Jahr (vrolike nuwe jaar! in Afrikaans)

I have managed to find some factories in China that apparently supply
dye-sub paper. Questions are whether it is normal photo paper or
transfer paper (to transfer to other final destination media later using
pressure and heat), and what quantities one can order in.

The ALPS paper seems to be metallic-coated. When the plastic flap from a
postcard pack stuck to one of the media, I pulled it off and it took the
coating off revealing a silver under layer.

Regards,
Gernot Hassenpflug

Hi Gernot,

Good luck, with your find. It is strange that useful things just
disappear from the marketplace so quickly. I suppose that is the price
of progress.

Regards,

Mort