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Help PCI slots and SATA III
graphic card/SATA III questions
1. Have graphics cards improved so that they don't block adjacent mobo slots? 2. Are there expansion cards for PCI slots that provide internal SATA III connectors? 3. What's the correct search term to use? 4. Will such a SATA III expansion card transfer data at or near the same speed as the SATA III connectors on the mobo itself? I currently have a PowerColor Radeon HD 6750 graphics card installed in the PCIe 2.0 x 16_1 slot of the Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB 3 motherboard. The card works well for my needs. The problem is that the graphics card blocks access to the PCIe 2.0 x 1_1 slot and the PCIe x 4_1 slot. When I look at the graphics card, it looks like its cooling fan extends over the adjoining PCIe slots. When I originally built the pc several years ago, I wasn't concerned about it. I now want to add an internal SATA III connector port. The remaining open slots on the mobo are described by the manual as follows, but I'm not sure that I can trust the description of the PCIe 2.0 slot in the manual. The pictures I see of PCIe 2.0 cards look like the pins have a different shape that what it looks like on my mobo, but then I haven't really dealt with them before. PCIe 2.0 x 16_2 slot (blue single at x 18 or dual at x8 link) PCI slot 1 PCI slot 2 Thanks, John |
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Help PCI slots and SATA III
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graphic card/SATA III questions 1. Have graphics cards improved so that they don't block adjacent mobo slots? 2. Are there expansion cards for PCI slots that provide internal SATA III connectors? 3. What's the correct search term to use? 4. Will such a SATA III expansion card transfer data at or near the same speed as the SATA III connectors on the mobo itself? I currently have a PowerColor Radeon HD 6750 graphics card installed in the PCIe 2.0 x 16_1 slot of the Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB 3 motherboard. The card works well for my needs. The problem is that the graphics card blocks access to the PCIe 2.0 x 1_1 slot and the PCIe x 4_1 slot. When I look at the graphics card, it looks like its cooling fan extends over the adjoining PCIe slots. When I originally built the pc several years ago, I wasn't concerned about it. I now want to add an internal SATA III connector port. The remaining open slots on the mobo are described by the manual as follows, but I'm not sure that I can trust the description of the PCIe 2.0 slot in the manual. The pictures I see of PCIe 2.0 cards look like the pins have a different shape that what it looks like on my mobo, but then I haven't really dealt with them before. PCIe 2.0 x 16_2 slot (blue single at x 18 or dual at x8 link) PCI slot 1 PCI slot 2 Thanks, John https://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/...usb3/board.jpg https://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/.../rear-view.jpg [ All PCIe slots are Revision 2 running at 500MB/sec per lane. ] PCIE x16 runs x8 --- put SATAIII card here PCIE x1 or here PCIE x4 or here PCIE x16 runs x8 --- put video card here, covers PCI slots PCI PCI --- remove sound card, use ALC892 onboard sound That's simpler than writing a book on I/O rates and the current poor availability of "interesting" addin cards. If you really like the separate sound card idea, get a PCIe x1 sound card and locate it in the upper section. The trend right now is to *thicker* video cards, cards which are missing VGA connectors. Look at the Nvidia 1030 for an example, of a more expensive, thicker card. Should be $40 but costs a lot more. HTH, Paul |
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Help PCI slots and SATA III
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Yes wrote: graphic card/SATA III questions 1. Have graphics cards improved so that they don't block adjacent mobo slots? 2. Are there expansion cards for PCI slots that provide internal SATA III connectors? 3. What's the correct search term to use? 4. Will such a SATA III expansion card transfer data at or near the same speed as the SATA III connectors on the mobo itself? I currently have a PowerColor Radeon HD 6750 graphics card installed in the PCIe 2.0 x 16_1 slot of the Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB 3 motherboard. The card works well for my needs. The problem is that the graphics card blocks access to the PCIe 2.0 x 1_1 slot and the PCIe x 4_1 slot. When I look at the graphics card, it looks like its cooling fan extends over the adjoining PCIe slots. When I originally built the pc several years ago, I wasn't concerned about it. I now want to add an internal SATA III connector port. The remaining open slots on the mobo are described by the manual as follows, but I'm not sure that I can trust the description of the PCIe 2.0 slot in the manual. The pictures I see of PCIe 2.0 cards look like the pins have a different shape that what it looks like on my mobo, but then I haven't really dealt with them before. PCIe 2.0 x 16_2 slot (blue single at x 18 or dual at x8 link) PCI slot 1 PCI slot 2 Thanks, John https://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/...usb3/board.jpg https://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/.../rear-view.jpg [ All PCIe slots are Revision 2 running at 500MB/sec per lane. ] PCIE x16 runs x8 --- put SATAIII card here PCIE x1 or here PCIE x4 or here PCIE x16 runs x8 --- put video card here, covers PCI slots PCI PCI --- remove sound card, use ALC892 onboard sound That's simpler than writing a book on I/O rates and the current poor availability of "interesting" addin cards. If you really like the separate sound card idea, get a PCIe x1 sound card and locate it in the upper section. The trend right now is to thicker video cards, cards which are missing VGA connectors. Look at the Nvidia 1030 for an example, of a more expensive, thicker card. Should be $40 but costs a lot more. HTH, Paul Thanks. The info helps considerably. If you don't mind, do you perhaps know what the deal is with the mobo's SATA III connectors labeled SATA5 and SATA6? The labels are in the lower left hand corner of https://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/...usb3/board.jpg, but I don't see any pins to which to connect a SATA device. There is a white/biege plastic cover (terminology?) just below those labels, but short of rebuilding my pc to get to that cover, I don't have the leverage to forcibly remove that plastic cover and I'm not even sure that that spot has anything to do with SATA5 and SATA6. Are the SATA connectors actually underneath that cover? If that's where the SATA connectors 5 and 6 are really located, any idea why Asus would have hidden them? SATA connectors 1 thru 4 are visible and easy to use, but when I went looking for 5 and 6, I just didn't see them on the mobo and thought perhaps I had a mobo that had been revised but with no warning provided by Asus. I still don't understand why they're "missing" unless they're hidden underneath that cover, but then, why cover them up to begin with? One of the reasons I bought the mobo originally was because it had so many SATA III connectors. However, I only just now reached the point (several years later) where I can use a 5th SATA connector. Regardless, thanks. I'll reseat the graphics card I have. IIRC, I think I used the slot I did because at the time that was recommended as least problematic. Times change :-) John |
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Help PCI slots and SATA III
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Paul wrote: Yes wrote: graphic card/SATA III questions 1. Have graphics cards improved so that they don't block adjacent mobo slots? 2. Are there expansion cards for PCI slots that provide internal SATA III connectors? 3. What's the correct search term to use? 4. Will such a SATA III expansion card transfer data at or near the same speed as the SATA III connectors on the mobo itself? I currently have a PowerColor Radeon HD 6750 graphics card installed in the PCIe 2.0 x 16_1 slot of the Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB 3 motherboard. The card works well for my needs. The problem is that the graphics card blocks access to the PCIe 2.0 x 1_1 slot and the PCIe x 4_1 slot. When I look at the graphics card, it looks like its cooling fan extends over the adjoining PCIe slots. When I originally built the pc several years ago, I wasn't concerned about it. I now want to add an internal SATA III connector port. The remaining open slots on the mobo are described by the manual as follows, but I'm not sure that I can trust the description of the PCIe 2.0 slot in the manual. The pictures I see of PCIe 2.0 cards look like the pins have a different shape that what it looks like on my mobo, but then I haven't really dealt with them before. PCIe 2.0 x 16_2 slot (blue single at x 18 or dual at x8 link) PCI slot 1 PCI slot 2 Thanks, John https://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/...usb3/board.jpg https://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/.../rear-view.jpg [ All PCIe slots are Revision 2 running at 500MB/sec per lane. ] PCIE x16 runs x8 --- put SATAIII card here PCIE x1 or here PCIE x4 or here PCIE x16 runs x8 --- put video card here, covers PCI slots PCI PCI --- remove sound card, use ALC892 onboard sound That's simpler than writing a book on I/O rates and the current poor availability of "interesting" addin cards. If you really like the separate sound card idea, get a PCIe x1 sound card and locate it in the upper section. The trend right now is to thicker video cards, cards which are missing VGA connectors. Look at the Nvidia 1030 for an example, of a more expensive, thicker card. Should be $40 but costs a lot more. HTH, Paul Thanks. The info helps considerably. If you don't mind, do you perhaps know what the deal is with the mobo's SATA III connectors labeled SATA5 and SATA6? The labels are in the lower left hand corner of https://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/...usb3/board.jpg, but I don't see any pins to which to connect a SATA device. There is a white/biege plastic cover (terminology?) just below those labels, but short of rebuilding my pc to get to that cover, I don't have the leverage to forcibly remove that plastic cover and I'm not even sure that that spot has anything to do with SATA5 and SATA6. Are the SATA connectors actually underneath that cover? If that's where the SATA connectors 5 and 6 are really located, any idea why Asus would have hidden them? SATA connectors 1 thru 4 are visible and easy to use, but when I went looking for 5 and 6, I just didn't see them on the mobo and thought perhaps I had a mobo that had been revised but with no warning provided by Asus. I still don't understand why they're "missing" unless they're hidden underneath that cover, but then, why cover them up to begin with? One of the reasons I bought the mobo originally was because it had so many SATA III connectors. However, I only just now reached the point (several years later) where I can use a 5th SATA connector. Regardless, thanks. I'll reseat the graphics card I have. IIRC, I think I used the slot I did because at the time that was recommended as least problematic. Times change :-) John AMD SB850 chipset - 6 x SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports with RAID 0, 1, 5, and 10 support JMicron JMB361 PATA and SATA controller - 1 x eSATA 3.0 Gb/s port - 1 x Ultra DMA 133/100 for up to 2 PATA devices Four of the SATA ports point up from the motherboard surface. Two of the SATA ports point sideways. That's SATA5 and SATA6. _______ Computer card faceplates / === top SATA here on this side of PC case | _____ === | === bottom SATA here | ____ | | https://s18.postimg.cc/dt4qjxwk9/six_sata_ports.gif One purpose of the side-ways stacks, is so a 10.5" video card won't bump into vertically inserted cables. That doesn't seem to be why they did it on your motherboard. My newest machine has three side-ways stacks, so they're all like that. ******* The JMicron eSATA port is in the I/O Plate area and is the blue-green connector on the bottom of two USB ports and a Firewire 1394 port. It's the bottom connector on a stack-of-four. The legend in the manual says it's a "power external" connector so there could be +12V on one "ear" contact and GND on the other "ear" contact. Since the eSATA connector variants have uncertain standards status, I see ASUS was careful to not actually document the pinout in the manual. Clever. If I had to use the eSATA on that motherboard, I'd use a "wall powered" enclosure. And hope my cabling isn't accidentally picking up +12V from the connector. Non standard clever **** like this gives me the creeps (I don't want anything shorting out by accident, because you just know the +12V on that ESATA doesn't have a fuse on it). I think there might even be an ESATA connector, which is a combo USB/ESATA, just so there wasn't enough standards and they could have another. You would need a JMB361 driver installed in the OS to make that rear port work. There are some disk enclosures, even today, which still have an ESATA on the enclosure for situations like this. I can't even buy an ESATA cable at my local "good" computer store, so it's not like I can experiment or anything :-) They have every kind of SATA cable you could want though. Paul |
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